Georgia schools to pay students to study

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FAIRBURN, Ga. - Learning is supposed to be its own reward, but when that doesn't work, should students get paid to do it?


That's the question two Georgia schools are asking in a 15-week pilot program that is paying high-schoolers struggling in math and science $8 an hour to attend study hall for four hours a week.

The privately funded "Learn & Earn" initiative, an idea from former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, is touted as the first of its kind in the state and one of a few similar programs nationwide.

"We want to try something new," said Jackie Cushman, Gingrich's daughter and co-founder of the group funding the initiative. "We're trying to figure out what works. Is it the answer? No. Is it a possible idea that might work? Yes."

Forty students at Bear Creek Middle School and Creekside High School, both in the Atlanta suburb of Fairburn, began participating in the program Tuesday. The eighth- and 11th-graders chosen had to be underperforming in math and science, and many are eligible for free or reduced-cost lunches.

The hope is that the bribes will boost students' motivation to learn, attend class and get better grades.

Aside from the hourly wage, eighth-graders will get a $75 bonus, and 11th-graders $125, if they improve their math and science grades to a B and achieve certain test scores. For the older kids, that adds up to $605 for a semester of studying.

Cushman said the initiative is aimed at math and science because many student struggle in those subjects even if they excel in others.

The offer could help poor students who need the money and otherwise might choose a minimum-wage job over studying, said Jerome Morris, an associate professor at the University of Georgia's College of Education. He also noted that parents who have the means to reward their children for performing well in school have done so for decades.

"Poor families just can't do that," Morris said. "They have to tell their children, 'You have to go to school just to learn.'"

The director of a private center aimed at improving motivation, however, said plying kids with cash is a desperate move by school officials.

"They have not figured out a way to self-motivate these kids," said Peter A. Spevak, director of the Center for Applied Motivation in Washington, D.C. "What really drives a person is the desire to do well and the good feeling you have after doing your best every day."

Paying children to learn may work in the short term, but before long, the luster could wear off and they may look to up the ante, Spevak said. Ultimately, it could become a losing game.

"When you take the money away, assuming it has been effective, people sometimes get angry or disillusioned," he said. "They may start to wonder where the next prize is coming from."

The $60,000 initiative is being funded by Atlanta businessman Charles Loudermilk, founder of Aaron Rents, through the Learning Makes a Difference Foundation Inc., an Atlanta-based nonprofit that funds innovative education programs and was founded by Gingrich's daughters.

Alexis Yarger, one of the Fairburn program's participants, is eager to try anything to improve her grades.

The 16-year-old Creekside junior plans to attend Spelman College, and says that although she's doing OK in science, "Math is not my best."

Yarger, who has a part-time job at Burger King, said she was interested in the program even before she heard about the financial incentives. She would have taken part even without the money, she said, but her father said the cash doesn't hurt.

"It's a good motivational tactic," Anthony Yarger said. "Whether it's a dollar or a candy bar, if it's helpful, I support it."
 

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This could be one of the worst ideas in history!

I won't expand on my thoughts until I hear someone actually defend it.
 

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This could be one of the worst ideas in history!

I won't expand on my thoughts until I hear someone actually defend it.

I totally agree with you here, Dawgball. I have lots of comments on this....but one is, what kind of message does this send to the kids getting good grades already? And what about the kids who are struggling, but that don't meet the financial guideline? :nono:
 

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This could be one of the worst ideas in history!

I won't expand on my thoughts until I hear someone actually defend it.

I completely agree. Next they will get paid to sleep, cook breakfast, lunch and dinner. And once a week get paid to watch a movie at the theater.
 

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I completely agree. Next they will get paid to sleep, cook breakfast, lunch and dinner. And once a week get paid to watch a movie at the theater.


Come on Stix, it's tough being a kid these days....Nothing to do, zip on the tv, video games sux, try finding good gang to hang with, cant go outside with all the fresh air.

These kids need our support....and more, our $$$
 

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It's a pilot program.

They might find out if it works or it doesn't.

I would try anything at this point.

I also think teachers should lose money for lack of productivity from their students. That might really get things going in the right direction.
 

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My parents paid me for every A I received. It was always in the back of my head that I would be getting some money and it did help out. I probably would have made good grades anyway but when you're in grade school the importance of school and good grades doesn't have the same meaning as it does when you're older.

What the heck can it hurt to try it out?
 

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What did they have in the "olden days" that we dont have today?

Oh, direction & respect are two that come to mind.

That starts at home and just look at who's having the majority of the kids these days....You should need a license to have kids!
 

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While I think it is a very "hand holding" idea they are going to try.. there is a little bit of logic to it when you peel things back a layer.

They are targeting "poor" kids in high school
A lot of these kids will work at McD's and Burger King, etc etc making a few bucks an hour after school so that they can buy things they need.

While they are saying "you want fries with that?" they are not studying.

But they need that $$$ to get by.

So if you just "make" them study.. they can't get a side job which means they dont have $$$, which could mean they end up being a little thief, or just being plain miserable and care even less about school.

So provide them with that study time, and also provide them with the same "value for their time" as if they had the job.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think kids don't need to be coddled anymore than they already are, but there is a little bit of merit to this program when you get by the shock factor of hearing it.
 

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an email I got...

an email I got...

Try to take the time to check out this story on snopes.com which is listed at the end of the story. It is quite interesting!!! Darla

Back in September of 2005, on the first day of school, Martha Cothren, a social studies school teacher at Robinson High School in Little Rock , did something not to be forgotten. On the first day of school, with the permission of the school superintendent, the principal and the building supervisor, she removed all of the desks out of her classroom. When the first period kids entered the room they discovered that there were no desks.

Looking around, confused, they asked, "Ms. Cothren, where're our desks?"

She replied, "You can't have a desk until you tell me what you have done to earn the right to sit at a desk."

They thought, "Well, maybe it's our grades."

"No," she said.

"Maybe it's our behavior? She told them, "No, it's not even your behavior".

And so, they came and went, the first period, second period, third period.

Still no desks in the classroom. By early afternoon television news crews had started gathering in Ms. Cothren's classroom to report about this crazy teacher
who had taken all the desks out of her room.

The final period of the day came an as the puzzled students found seats on the floor of the deskless classroom, Martha Cothren said, "Throughout the day no one has been able to tell me just what he/she has done to earn the right to sit at the desks that are ordinarily found in this classroom. Now I am going to tell you."

At this point, Martha Cothren went over to the door of her classroom and opened it. Twenty-seven (27) U.S.Veterans, all in uniforms, walked into that classroom, each one carrying a school desk.

The Vets began placing the school desks in rows, and then they would walk over and stand alongside the wall.

By the time the last soldier had set the final desk in place those kids started to undestand, perhaps for the first time in their lives, just how the right to sit at those desks had been earned.

Martha said, "You didn't earn the right to sit at these desks. These heroes did it for you. They placed the desks here for you. Now, it's up to you to sit in them. It is your responsibility to learn, to be good students, to be good citizens. They paid the price so that you could have the freedom to get an education. Don't ever forget it."


verified on snopes http://www.snopes.com/glurge/nodesks.asp
 

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While I think it is a very "hand holding" idea they are going to try.. there is a little bit of logic to it when you peel things back a layer.

They are targeting "poor" kids in high school
A lot of these kids will work at McD's and Burger King, etc etc making a few bucks an hour after school so that they can buy things they need.

While they are saying "you want fries with that?" they are not studying.

But they need that $$$ to get by.

So if you just "make" them study.. they can't get a side job which means they dont have $$$, which could mean they end up being a little thief, or just being plain miserable and care even less about school.

So provide them with that study time, and also provide them with the same "value for their time" as if they had the job.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think kids don't need to be coddled anymore than they already are, but there is a little bit of merit to this program when you get by the shock factor of hearing it.


Admirable to target the poor kids. But maybe the $$$ could be better off spent teaching the "poor adults" not bring more kids into to the world if you can't support them and help guide them to start with.

In Maine we have a State program that hands out $$$ to the less fortunate. Our great State also increases the $$$ for every child you have. There is no incentive for these people to get off the system. They just keep having more and the cycle repeats itself. We have people from neighboring states move here just for the assistance becaus their State doesn't offer it.

Personally I'd rather pay $$$ for these people that cant afford children not to have children. You see these kids in school and they disrupt the classes and have no respect for the teachers or the fellow classmates. I don't blame the kids because it's the parents who have failed them, and yet their still cranking um out.

:shrug:
 

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I spend most of my time consulting with school districts.

This is a terrible idea. It is a very slippery slope.

In rebuttal to marine's point, why should poor kids get paid to "attend" study sessions and better off kids should not? Where is the cut off?

Also, if the state has decided to step in and reward studying, how about rewarding the RESULTS of studying? This idea also has its flaws, and I am not exactly condoning it. Maybe reward kids on improvements that they make year over year. Your higher end students are already benefiting from state funding by receviing lottery-funded scholarships, so they are taken care of. Poorer performing students could get a piece of the pie back by simply improving. They don't have to compete with the smarter kids; just improve their own stats.

As mentioned, this is a pilot program which we see all of the time, but I simply don't see a benefit from this.
 
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