global warming thought

[SixFive]

How do the believers in this tragic global warming explain the mildest pre labor day/labor day/post labor day weather I can ever remember? For the first time in my life, I actually got a cold chill while outside during the middle of the day (this time of year). Unbelievably mild weather being as we're in this horrible crisis of catastrophic global warming.

 

[Nick Douglas]

Jeff Allen may have an 8-1 weekend, but I still think he sucks.

 

[Happy Hippo]

Last I checked, the world doesn't revolve around Kentucky, and just because there is one extremely cold day there, doesn't mean that there aren't extremes everywhere - Here are some FACTS from NOAA:

**July 2006 was the second warmest July in the 1895-2006 record. The preliminary nationally averaged temperature was 77.2?F (25.1?C). The record warmest July was set in 1936, with an average temperature of 77.5?F (25.3?C) for the nation.

**July had below-average precipitation nationally, ranking as the 26th driest July in the 1895-2006 record. An average 2.58 inches (66 mm) fell over the contiguous U.S. in July, 0.3 inches (8 mm) below the 20th century mean for the month.

**May-July was the third warmest such period in the 1895-to-present record. The preliminary nationally averaged May-July temperature was 70.9?F (21.6?C). May-July was also the 15th driest such period on record. An average of 7.49 inches (190 mm) of precipitation fell during the 3-month period.

**The 6-month (Feb-July) nationally-averaged temperature was 58.1?F (14.5?C), which ranked as the second warmest such period in the 112-year record. At 13.73 inches (346 mm), February - July precipitation was below-normal, which ranked it as 13th driest such period in the 1895-2006 record.

**January to July has been the warmest such year-to-date period on record. The nationally averaged year-to-date temperature was 55.3?F (12.9?C), or 3.2?F (1.8?C) above the 1901-2000 average. The previous record of 54.8?F (12.7?C) was set in 1934. The year-to-date also was 22nd driest January-July in the 112-year record, receiving a national average 16.2 inches (411 mm) of precipitation during the period, or 1.4 inches (36 mm) below the 20th Century average.

**August 2005 - July 2006 was the warmest such period in the 1895-2006 record. The preliminary nationally-averaged 12-month temperature was 55.4?F (13.0?C). Precipitation was below-average for the August 2005 - July 2006 period, ranking it as the 34th driest August-July in the 111-year record. Nationally-averaged total 12-month precipitation was 30.34 inches (771 mm).


JULY 2006

A few records set:

Houston Intercontinental Airport, TX Earliest Triple-Digit Heat June 13, 2006 100?F

Red Bluff Airport, CA Daily maximum temp for the month June 25, 2006 117?F

Portland Airport, OR Daily maximum temp for the month June 26, 2006 102?F

Denver, CO Most 90 Degree day temp for the month June 30, 2006 19 days

Las Vegas, NV Warmest June on record June 2006 avg temp of 90.5?F

Cheyenne, WY Warmest June on Record June 2006 avg temp of 68.0?F


And from the ecologist, September 2006:

Mountain glaciers are melting faster now than at any time in the past 5,000 years because of climate change, a new study has found. From the Andes to the Himalayas, climate change is leading to a full-scale retreat of the world's tropical glaciers, meaning that we might have passed the critical threshold beyond which nothing can be done to prevent most of the highest ice caps disappearing within the near future. The millions of people who live in the lowlands that surround South American glaciers rely on them for freshwater - if they melt, it will result in the displacement of those people. Scientists from Ohio State University [GO BUCKEYES!!], cite as proof of progressive glacial melt a change in the chemical isotopes of the ice cores, the widespread retreat of glaciers and the resultant uncovering of frozen plants that had been buried for thousands of years.


Enjoy those cold days while you can - Cheers!

 

[Chadman]

So do you then say that the incredibly high heat in certain parts of the country leading up to that one weekend respite are also worthy of discussing when it comes to the crisis you highlight?

Perhaps (Mr. Science) Dr. Freeze could enthrall you with the riduculousness of singling out a statistical microbe when debating a thesis about centuries of data?

I doubt he will, cause I think he supports your overall theme, however.

 

[smurphy]

Last I checked, the world doesn't revolve around Kentucky

You just don't have the right globe.

 

[kosar]

The Hippo is a Buckeyes fan? Ok, positive rep for her.

As an aside, it was exceptionally warm in Singapore last thursday. So who really knows about this global warming stuff? So much contradicting evidence. Cool in Kentucky, warm in Singapore. Maybe Freeze can help explain? :shrug:

 

[Happy Hippo]

The Hippo is a Buckeyes fan? Ok, positive rep for her.

As an aside, it was exceptionally warm in Singapore last thursday. So who really knows about this global warming stuff? So much contradicting evidence. Cool in Kentucky, warm in Singapore. Maybe Freeze can help explain? :shrug:

Huge Buckeyes fan - grew up in Ohio. They are looking good so far this year :SIB and of course will continue to do their part to combat global warming by sending their competitors home crying (adding much needed moisture to the air).

And yes, I'm sure Dr. Freeze has the explanation - we are still patiently awaiting his list of publications, which will surely shed light on the subject at hand.

 

[SixFive]

well, hippo, Kentucky is where I am and what I know, and I know it's never been this cool this time of year. Guess I'm just a simple minded redneck and I don't know any better?? Just wondered how this can be explained amidst all this global warming terror I see all the time? :com: :shrug: when this global warming effects me, I'll start worrying. Right now, my weather is terrific, there are more game animals and tweety birds around than ever before here (PS I think the environment is great now too :com: ), and I think the whole global warming thing is bs. thanks, I appreciate dissenting views, and that's the #1 reason I view this forum. Sway me if you can. GL!

 

[smurphy]

Guess I'm just a simple minded redneck and I don't know any better?? !

I'm just a caveman....

 

[Jabberwocky]

The photograph taken in 1928, above, shows how the Upsala Glacier, part of the South American Andes in Argentina, used to look. The ice on the Upsala Glacier today, shown in 2004 below, is retreating at least 180 ft. per year

The polar bears say its been kinda hot lately. But everybody knows that they are lying leftists who have hoodwinked the world's scientists to further their hidden agenda.

http://www.savebiogems.org/polar/

 

[SixFive]

The photograph taken in 1928, above, shows how the Upsala Glacier, part of the South American Andes in Argentina, used to look. The ice on the Upsala Glacier today, shown in 2004 below, is retreating at least 180 ft. per year

The polar bears say its been kinda hot lately. But everybody knows that they are lying leftists who have hoodwinked the world's scientists to further their hidden agenda.

http://www.savebiogems.org/polar/

do the melting icecaps mean that our ultimate demise will be in a flaming ball of fiery earth?? When we stop having seasons, when the crops won't grow, and when the animals have died out from lack of food and exposure, then we'll be in trouble.

hippo on the facts you posted, there were drier and hotter years in the 1800s. It's called variance. bfd. How does that affect me?? Forgive me if I don't fall for this hype, but I don't.

 

[kosar]

Global warming is like religion, as i've likened the two many times.

Nobody can prove it either way and I don't give a f*ck about either one. Or, perhaps more diplomatically, each to their own.

But seriously.

 

[Terryray]

oh no! another global warming thread! ....but seriously....

oh no! another global warming thread! ....but seriously....

that means a competitive link game is at hand. Been dozens of these in global warming threads here last few years.

I had some good ones in my last contribution to a global warming thread.



here's some recent cold records and comments compiled by the estimable Tom Giella:


The record cold of the decades of the 1890's, 1930's, 1940's, 1970's, 1980's and most recently the bitter northern hemisphere winters of 2000-2001, 2001-2002, 2002-2003 argue against man induced harmful global warming. Also Winter 2000-2001 and 2004-2005 in Siberian Russia as well as Winter 2004 in Antarctica was the coldest in recorded history. And let's not forget that January 2004 in Boston, MA was the coldest in 111 years. Grand Forks, ND set it's all time record low of -44 deg. below zero F, Fosston, MN also at -50 deg. below zero F and Saskatchewan Canada saw minimum temperatures fall to -62 deg. below zero F, all in Winter 2003-2004.

But what is the point of the above paragraph? It is to demonstrate that for every short term global record warm weather event that is heralded in the media as an example of global warming, there is a counter balancing global record cold weather event usually ignored by the media.

As follows are more cold weather anomaly's in the winter of 2005-2006 and 2004-2005 that you probably have not heard about in the U.S. media.

.....It snowed in downtown Los Angeles for the first time in modern times on Saturday February 18, 2006.....

.....During the first two weeks of February 2006 all of Alaska with the exception of the panhandle region was in the grip of extreme below zero temperature. Inland area temperatures repeatedly dropped into the -50 to -65 deg. F below zero range.....

.....During the first week of December 2005 the coldest minimum temperatures ever observed so early in the season chilled the lower 48 states, with the exception of the Florida Peninsula. Below zero daytime readings dipped deep into Colorado and Kansas, with night time sub zero readings into west Texas. Frozen precipitation fell at Corpus Christi and Brownsville, TX and into northern Mexico S-SW of Brownsville and Del Rio. Some north and central Plains region areas saw minimum temperatures in the -20 to -30 deg. below zero range.....

.....November 2005 was the coldest in the last 30 years in the northern Great Plains, Mid West and Great Lakes regions.....

....During Southern Hemisphere Winter 2005 Russia's Vostok base on the ice cap of East Antarctica set the new all time coldest minimum temperature on Earth of -132 deg. below zero. The previous record was -129 deg below zero......

.....Tuesday was even colder than usual at Russia's Vostok base on the ice cap of East Antarctica. The high of -101 degrees was fully 25 degrees below average for early May. The low was -104 degrees, or about 15 degrees below average.....

.....Monday April 25, 2005 a 31.9 deg. minimum temperature is observed in central Florida. Two other locations observed 32 deg. I've been keeping track of temperature in Florida since 1965 and this is the latest 32 deg. minimum temperature during that time period.....


----and his list goes on and on.......




Let's not forget the record cold and snow across Asia this past winter that caused thousands of deaths.



Temps last several months haven't been deviating from recent norm much:

but sure has cooled off in Greenland (one of few places we have data for more than 12 generations) last several hundred years. Jeeze, gonna warm up sometime?

An important recent paper details significant cooling in the upper ocean.


do a google search for list of all the "expanding glaciers" they are studying---I'm too tired to deal in depth with that now!

 

[samayam]

Global warming is one thing i choose to stick my nose in on these forums. So heres one thing that has me puzzled.
All the global warming crowd is concerned about tempratures rising and causing the earth to heat itself up so that the ice caps melt. Ok. And then what...

The fresh water mixes with salt water causing a change in oceanic currents which causes an overall change in the climate of the globe, for the cooler-not the warmer. This is true and has been proven. This has also happened many a time over the history of the earth. And it will happen again, and again. Its called a cycle. And that is what nature is about, cycles. Everything in nature is a cycle-the water cycle, the nitrogen cycle, the carbon cycle, etc.
When talking about global warming you have to talk about centuries upon centuries and milinna, not how it got hot last week and then it got cold this week or it was cold in 1900 and its hotter in 2000.

 

[Chadman]

Clearly those polar bears are going to need to take on a second job to pay for their own air conditioning. The days of the "Cold Entitlement Programs" are long gone, baby.

:mj08:

 

[Happy Hippo]

Global warming is like religion, as i've likened the two many times.

Here you are completely corrrect. I haven't been on MJs for that long, but in my short stay here I have seen at least 3 threads on global warming and those who believe and those who don't never change, so there is not much point in arguing anymore. It is like religion, and I don't claim to be an evangelist.

I will just make a few last points. Although many of you are not directly experiencing the effects of global warming, others are. I have lived in Colorado for 10 years now and the summers have become progressively hotter with less rain. Our well dried up for the first time this summer. One of my best friends is from Barrow AK and the polar bears are all over their town now because of the melting icecaps.

Samayam is completely correct that the earth experiences cycles and there will be a cooling associated with global warming - sucks for those people in Europe - someday their climate will not be so temperate because they are dependent on the gulf stream for their climate - it warms their temperatures 5-8 degrees C. There is plenty of evidence that the gulf stream is slowing as the ocean becomes less salinated.

Finally, just wanted to comment on SixFive's comment "When we stop having seasons, when the crops won't grow, and when the animals have died out from lack of food and exposure, then we'll be in trouble." - that if we get to this point, we will most certainly be in trouble, and beyond repair. Anyone who has taken a basic biology class or has been in nature understands that the earth is a complex organism and that the interactions of plants and animals with the natural environment is what sustains this amazing planet and sets it apart from the other planets. Thus I choose to be a steward of the earth, since I care deeply about all of the animals and the beautiful places I have seen all over the world.

Cheers!

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

do the melting icecaps mean that our ultimate demise will be in a flaming ball of fiery earth?? When we stop having seasons, when the crops won't grow, and when the animals have died out from lack of food and exposure, then we'll be in trouble.

hippo on the facts you posted, there were drier and hotter years in the 1800s. It's called variance. bfd. How does that affect me?? Forgive me if I don't fall for this hype, but I don't.

Damn, I was hoping your rebuttal was going to be a picture of the local Sonic Restaurant on Labor Day this year with people in windbreakers in contrast to a picture of the local Sonic Restaurant from last year with people in tanktops.

 

[SixFive]

just an fyi, hippo, I'm probably more of an earth steward and naturalist than 95% of the people on this website (maybe not more than you, not suggesting that as I'm not sure what you do to be a steward). Wanton waste, wanton habitat destruction, and indiscriminate wildlife slaughter are all big issues with me. Many of the environmental/global warming gang look down on hunters, but truth be told, true hunters, outdoorsmen, and wildlife stewards contribute millions every year to the same causes you might. So, just because I don't think global warming is a problem, and I'm a little flippant about it, don't think that I don't care deeply for the environment and what we can do on an individual level for the environment/atmosphere because I truly do.

PS I hope I'm right and you're wrong about the global warming. I don't think either of us will live to see who is, however.

 

[SixFive]

Damn, I was hoping your rebuttal was going to be a picture of the local Sonic Restaurant on Labor Day this year with people in windbreakers in contrast to a picture of the local Sonic Restaurant from last year with people in tanktops.

lmfao, I would have, but I missed taking the pictures there last year! FOCK!

 

[Happy Hippo]

just an fyi, hippo, I'm probably more of an earth steward and naturalist than 95% of the people on this website (maybe not more than you, not suggesting that as I'm not sure what you do to be a steward). Wanton waste, wanton habitat destruction, and indiscriminate wildlife slaughter are all big issues with me. Many of the environmental/global warming gang look down on hunters, but truth be told, true hunters, outdoorsmen, and wildlife stewards contribute millions every year to the same causes you might. So, just because I don't think global warming is a problem, and I'm a little flippant about it, don't think that I don't care deeply for the environment and what we can do on an individual level for the environment/atmosphere because I truly do.

PS I hope I'm right and you're wrong about the global warming. I don't think either of us will live to see who is, however.

I hope you're right too

And I have immense respect for you outdoorsmen - the fact that you are in close contact with the environment is rootsy and admirable. If you are killing your own food, all the more power to you - a true naturalist, yes. And if you don't preserve it, then you won't have anything to hunt!

Cheers :toast: