gman, thank you. if you read my thread, you know that my lean turned into a stronger play for me. i really like the fact that butler, with the same starting 5 as they have this year, beat detroit at home last year by 15. and that was with cotton scoring 22. i just don't see detroit generating much scoring. although you're right... it is a lot of points to lay in what should be a game dominated by the defenses.