God Help Us

[Eddie Haskell]

Responding, in the order received:

Scott:

Good point about tough questions. Considering how secretive this administration is, any tough questions from reporters and they would be picking thorns out of their buttocks while sitting on the ground in the Rose Garden.

Fletcher:

"Stepping up to the plate..."? Against what. WMD? Remember, the real reason we launched this pre-emptive invasion. Remember? This sob has now, since he was caught with his pants down on the "real reason" for this unprecedented invasion of another country, shifted gears and is now spinning the humanitarian schtick.

Sorry, don't buy it nor do I buy more crap from this hillbillys mouth that "Sadaam WOULD become a threat". This moron has lost all credibility (although I never thought he had any in the first place). Did you see how Tex's eyes lit up when he said the Iraqi oil is paying for the rebuilding of Iraq. Wonder where else that oil is eventually going to end up.

Kids hurry up and buy Exxon and ancillary oil industry stock. The head Billy and Vice-Criminal are gonna get rich off of 600 (and counting) plus thousands of dead Iraqi WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Yeah you right wing bullies ought to be real proud. And you wonder why Americans are hated throughout the world.

Wilson:

Pearls of wisdom from the hills of West Virginia. If I were you, I think I would stick to courtin your cousin and focusing on saving up for that first pair of shoes. Your right about coming into this thread. Intelligence is a pre-condition.

Remember boys, they weren't Iraqis on those jets on 9-11, they were predominantly our buddies the Saudi's. Or Wilson, are all these sand niggers alike? In your mind (again I'm taking a big leap there) I'll bet you think we outta nuke the whole area. I think you and Georgie boy think alike.

AR:

Although it's early and President Bush, excuse me, Cheney has all the money from his corporate america constituents, I may want to take you up on that bet. How bout we bet a couple of doobies. I didnt endorse Gore but would argue any one, including Carter (who has gotten a horrible rap) would be better than this moron.

I mean really people, I hope that amongst yourselves, that is when you all hang around your fellow right wing buddies, you whisper to each other that good God is this guy dumb. Further that you acknowledge in your little Nazi clubhouses that thank God Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfkiwitz are running the show. If you don't, your as dumb as our esteemed Yale educated president.

F & S:

Never said he should apologize for 9-11. My position has always been that as long as we live in a free country (and I'm currently rethinking that concept) 9-11 will happen. Cannot be prevented. This garbage at our airports is just window dressing designed to inconvenience the american public. The Patriot Act is a further incursion into personal liberties. Totally unwarrented and unnecessary.

Maybe we outta think about the way we do business. Maybe we outta think about corporate america's insatiable appetite for overseas profits at the expense of any culture. Screw them, we know better. As the criminal said last night "We are going to make Iraq free". See I interpret that statement as we are gonna make Iraq free so that American companies can come in and make money and that we further westernize this country since we know better. We use our military might, Bush & Bullie tactics, to satisfy the shareholders need for profit and place a McDonalds on the corner of 5th and Mohammed in downtown Fallujah.

Snake:

Thanks for your opinion on his speech last night. My critique was that the Dixie chicks were right. He is an embarrasment. Most thinking people (which by definition excludes talk radio talent and callers) give him an F on both delivery and content.

Wilson:

In your second post, go back and read it but replace three word and phrases with the following:

Iran=Cambodia
Middle East=Southeast Asia
GWB=LBJ

Now imaging Eddie sitting here in front of his Univac weaing plaid bellbottoms and voila, we are back in 1968. Idiot.

GW:

Kosar is correct. You and others continue to equate Iraq with terrorists. There is about as much evidence of this as there is equating Iraq with weapons of mass destruction. You can always argue that some guy or some country is a threat to this countrys security.

Hell, the Japanese did it in 1941. The US pacific arms buildup was perceived as a threat to that countrys security. If we can unilaterally make that call like this administration is currently doing in Iraq, you can justify and rationalize anything.

Remember 600+, and counting dead Americans and thousands of dead Iraqi WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Take your perceived threats and shove them up your right wing ass.

Dogs:

Assuming you are correct (hell even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile) I would take a "tunnel vision" leader who fought in an unjust war and later acknowledged that over a murdering moronic puppet criminal who used daddys influence to avoid the real fighting and got airbrushed into a photo of an F-15 while in the Texas Air Guard (boy they did have a lot of casualties during Viet Nam) and then further used daddys influence to get into Yale and who doesnt have one active brain cell in that block head of his. Yeah, I'll take Kerry over this idiot anyday of the week.

Bush should be in jail.

Ed

 

[djv]

SAD and the rest of the world was watching. Any mistakes made? Easy answer. We all make them. The American people can understand that sir. But you have to get past believeing you are GOD. Just cause Cheney or who ever has told you that. As for that great exit plane. You never mention it. He holds about two more of these and Nader could beat him. What in hell would he do if he was asked a tough question. I wonder how early the reporters had to have there questions summitted. It sure showed when asked if other then the trade with Sammy Sosa. Can you think of other mistakes. Chit he was shocked and said so. Then went in to this dance of cover my ass. I just felt sorry for him.

 

[fletcher]

!st Eddie you need to know a little more about wv before you pop off, most people see shit on tv on southeren wv app hill people, Fairmont/morgentown where i am from is far from hicks, wvu is on of the top universities in the nation, in the top 15 in med school and med center. fairmont has the high tech core nasa 1200 employed, fbi finger print center, fbi ncic center, fbi 2nd crime and ferensic lab 2,100 staff, lucent, noaa and national weather center, and a few more high tech compinies all in 1 huge complex, fbi alone goes down in the ground 14 floors and has own privite landing strip that can handle a 747 air force 1 and from strip you get off plane and travel underground on a subrail super speed car, so we don't all fuk our family members.

Trust me more brains in those to places then the whole city of cinn been their many times only 4 hours away.

2nd yes there has been links to iraq and funding and helping out the aq cells.

wmd's who knows might be in one of the border states but really don't care, oil will wait and see if the people from iraq get to keep it which they should and use income to rebuild it is there but we will spend millions or more to help I have a hard time with that, but to say the country was not a threat is bullshit,i also said saudies should not get a pass iran all of those places hate the us and I don't think it will change.

as for getting out hey on the 30th they have their shot iraq people to run the country if they **** up i say give them 6 months of 2nd hand help then get the **** out, if they can't get it together like they want and run country like they want hell with them, we did our job, let un move in and help. and it is not vietnam, to be honest we could move the people out who want moved out and then drop 1 big one on the trouble makers and start from dust and would work better IMO, but can't do that not right but it would have a better shot, it is messed up but we have to protect ourself here at all cost, do you really think you are safe? never some thing will happen again always does but can't worry about that everyday all you can do is live your life, but protecting our country from threats is a must and let who ever is in charge of country do it, anything else I really don't care much about, jobs will always come and go, market will always go up and down, health care sucks but the security is something that must be kept and built stronger in years to come sad but true.

 

[dr. freeze]

nothing worse than a lawyer pointing out the truth for everyone

geez you are a buffoon who equates some psychotic lady who forgot her haldol to Christians and blantantly states that you cannot find the difference between fundamental Christianity and Islamic Jihad

go back to your hole and run more people out of their jobs....never let speculation and truth differentiate from each other

if everyone worked like you nothing would ever get done and we would be bickering in the streets throwing rocks at each other like your islamic friends

 

[Wilson]

Yet another profound rebuttal from "Over The Rhein".

I really do not know why I even waste my time engaging dialogue with a tree hugger such as yourself. But, at every opportunity, no matter what direction the Bush Administration takes on any issue...Little Eddie is there to offer criticism. No Pre-emptitive strike on Afghanistan..9/11 is his fault because of it. Pre-empitive strike on Iraq..he is murdering Iraqis. Amazing Monday Morning Quarterbacking from our astute analyst, Eddie Haskell from "Over The Rhein".

My cousin sends her best.

 

[gardenweasel]

man

man

i was trying to be fair to all sides and give a better explanation for what i consider a somewhat dubious situation in iraq.....

"even if fighting terrorism is a very small part of any rationale for regime change and occupation in iraq...




did you read this?:lol2...."......that`s me...i diasagree with this being a linchpin in the rationale for removing saddam...

i thought a large part of my response was pointing out what a poor job the administaration did in laying out reasons(right or wrong)for doing what they did....

and i listed a litany of reasons why saddam was a threat....including only a partial resume of his past performances(not conjecture...fact)as to why this guy was by far,the baddest,most dangerous character in the middle east...

you don`t have to agree...hell,i`m not sure i agree with our course of action.....

i`ve said multiple times on this board that given the choices available from the democratic party,(which are pathetic,btw),that kerry was about the best we could hope for...


and you still found a way to shoot an ad hominem attack in on me......that hurts....:nono:

ed...if you can`t even listen to the other side without frothing at the mouth,i think you have the problem...it`s guys like you that are so singlemindedly biased that your radicalism drives people to the other side...

is everybody that doesn`t walk in lock step with you a far right winger?........believe it or not,there are usually 2 sides to every debate and neither side is usually 100% right......there are gray areas in every issue..

jeez...........chill out...don`t kill the messenger..

 

[djv]

Garden the exit plan is what most americans wanted to here. Us trying to leave after placeing a none elected government in place will be called What? Freedom fighters or Nation buliders. In anycase a none elected government by the people will just cause what is going on right now to continue. That is no exit plan. That is a plan for us to have to stay years. Hey we made the mess we should clean it up. Sad we did such a chitty job. Not our soldiers. Our government with out a plan. I can remember when Rummy said no way this will cost 50 billion. Then Cheney said that maybe alittle low. I guess were upto 137 billion and counting. This is what I mean about the sharp folks Bush has around him. No mistakes they can think of. What BS.

 

[kosar]

When this thing was just getting going, one of the top generals involved over there said that he feels we would need 200,000 troops there for years for this job to get done. Rumsfeld publically mocked him and the general is no longer a part of this operation.

So now we have 135,000 troops there, rotations being canceled and another 10,000 heading that way and we have George all proud of himself when he says, 'whatever amount of troops they ask for, they get'. That's wonderful. 135 isn't doing it, 145 is not going to do it, 400 wouldn't be able to impose a lasting peace/democracy there.

No matter how many troops we have there at the peak, it won't matter. The second we leave, whether it's tomorrow or in 10 years, the resulting aftermath will be the same.

Some of you people can call it whining if you like, but at what point and under what circumstances would you admit that this is/was a huge mistake?

I understand jingoism(Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism) drives a lot of you and the way you think, but at some point it's more important for the wefare of our country for our admin to just admit that we did made a blunder and to try to minimize any future damage.

They didn't bother considering an exit plan before the war, so i'm not sure how much luck they'll have figuring this one out on the run.

Whatever the case, the blind support of some of you is ridiculous.

 

[dawgball]

There are a few posters on here that blindly follow what the President says, but that number is no larger than those that blindly despise everything he says. That's the way politics go.

For the most part, I have seen a pretty fair view from MOST posters here. I think the exceptions are obvious, but for the most part until someone comes in name calling and bashing someone the conversations are usually pretty well delivered.

My question is if you were the President, what would you do tomorrow about Iraq? Pull all troops? Send more? What? Just curious. I think a lot of the questions from the reporters last night were too geared about today.

To use one of the most overused cliches in history "Rome wasn't built in a day." I would like to see more time given to this to see how it works. I guess I am at fault for thinking that our administration has the country in mind when making decisions. Not to sound too cruel, but those soldiers are soldiers to be soldiers. I don't see why everyone gets their panties in wad when they are called upon to do so.

There are people who blatantly use the system lke Hellah10 then scream bloody murder when they are asked to repay the debt they owe, but I would like to think the majority of our armed forces are not in that group.

 

[kosar]

My question is if you were the President, what would you do tomorrow about Iraq? Pull all troops? Send more? What? Just curious.

That's just the point, Dawg. There is no good answer and no good solution at this point. This is a position that many people predicted that we would quickly be in and it's happened. I don't think your question should necessarily be asked to people who warned of this all along(not that you necessarily were).

That's like advising somebody not to do something really stupid with predictable results, but they do it anyways and find themselves in a screwed up situation and then the screwed up person asking that other person, 'well how would *you* get out of it if you're so smart'. I guess the obvious answer is ' I have no idea how you get out of this now, but I sure as hell never would have put myself in that situation to begin with'.

This isn't being a monday morning QB. I'm sure you recall many, many threads about this before we invaded. The same people are saying the same things, on both sides of the fence. The only difference is that the posting activity of the pro-occupation group has lessened considerably on this subject.

On one hand people say, 'well, we can't go back in time and nothing can change the situation we're in, so how about some solutions'. On the other hand, it's like pulling hen's teeth to get the same people to even consider that this may just not have been the smartest thing we've ever done.

However, I think your questions are great ones and i've yet to see many answers from the pro-occupation hawks around here or anywhere.

 

[kosar]

Not to sound too cruel, but those soldiers are soldiers to be soldiers. I don't see why everyone gets their panties in wad when they are called upon to do so.

There are people who blatantly use the system lke Hellah10 then scream bloody murder when they are asked to repay the debt they owe, but I would like to think the majority of our armed forces are not in that group.

Agree totally with all that. I guess 'panties are in a wad' in this case because while soldiers are soldiers, people tend to get a little annoyed when they are being killed in a 'war' with no point and no benefit to us and with no end in sight. The panties will really be wadded if Dubya gets another term and we still have 100,000 troops over there in 2008.

 

[Penguinfan]

No Pre-emptitive strike on Afghanistan..9/11 is his fault because of it. Pre-empitive strike on Iraq..he is murdering Iraqis.

Eddie, he kinda has you by the short hairs on that comment.

Make no mistake about it, I am certainly right of center on most issues, but I think GW needs replaced, he has failed on just about every account. Yes I voted for him last election, no I will not vote for him this time around.

Penguinfan

 

[AR182]

good post, dawgball.


as somebody who was in favor of attacking iraq, i think it's much too early to say whether this is a fiasco or not. i am not for questioning everything that happens day to day, minute by minute, second by second. we have to see how it plays out & i'm for giving it more than 1 year before an opinion can be given.

also before we jump all over bush because his administration hasn't articulated an exit stategy yet, again i'm for allowing it to play out. i'm still sure they know what they are doing.

i agree that there were people here who questioned the invasion before it happened, but i can't tell who questioned the invasion because they are against bush no matter what he does or because they knew before hand that the different elements in iraq would rise up.

finally, i don't like my intelligence to be questioned because i'm supporting bush. i like to think that i am pretty well informed on the various subjects that i post. it's good to have disagreements, it makes it more interesting. but i can do without the insults.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Some of you people can call it whining if you like, but at what point and under what circumstances would you admit that this is/was a huge mistake?

A: NEVER

 

[RAYMOND]

kosar for president:142smilie

 

[djv]

Kosar per Bush they, I guess he means himself don't make mistakes. They just have little brain farts. Seems they have them. And don't even know it. You cant reason with people who want to be so right there dead right.

 

[Wilson]

Pot calling the kettle black?

 

[djv]

Wilson I was aginst the Iraq invasion from the start. Always said give it three/four more months. Do not pull troops from Afgan out. Stay after Bin and his gang with all we had.
After 13 years, 3 months would have not hurt anything. We may not have had to go in at all. We may even had time to build and add many countries to join us. What the hell was the rush to get to this point. No exit plan and one big mess. Costing 3 times anyones estimate todate. I guess you call that good government. Looks like a cluster screw up to more and more Americans. If they only had a plan and a real reason for going we all would have said hell yes. We lost people for what. Countries like Saudi right next door that dont even help.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

No terrorist in Iraq? What do you call people who are suicide bombers-burn people and hang em from bridges--take civilians hostage and execute them---Personaly glad we are there and handling it (or attempting to)in their backyard

---Was glad to see Bush stick to his plans and not let the liberal faction sway him. He's not going to get their vote regardless.

---after all how do you please those that are now whining like hell he didn't do enough prior to 911 when they are the same that protest against racial profiling and then when we do capture them they immediately have their ACLU arm there to try and get them off the hook. If you think they are pissing and moaning about the Patriot act now--what do you think they would have done prior to 911. You can't argue with these Eddie Haskel mentality minions--you just have to realize their ineptness and ignore them.

---and Edward if Bush should be in prison where should Slick be.
Evidently in the eyes of a liberal attorny such as yourself--if their liberal,---perjury,disbarrment, impeachment ect is fine with you
---if conservative ---Its guilty till proven innocent
I would expect nothing less from you as you seldom miss my expectations except once,

 

[ctownguy]

Can't type real well but have to say something here, if you notice every time someone disagrees with eddie the clown he resorts to his lame posts about ones' intelligeince or where you are from.

As I have stated before it is just ike the typical elitists to do such things. They feel superior to anyone that doesn't agree with them and becasue they can not deal in facts to prove any of their points they resort , like eddie the c;lown. to nmae calling and belittling the other persons heritage or intelligince etc.

Just another typical post from the king of clowns here at MJ's eddie the joke, the most misinformed and left wing wacko here, the guy is an embarrassment to his own kind, what a colossal joke.