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[dawgball]

I don't follow politics too much. I am on the right hand side of most issues. I support gay rights for tax benefits during partnerships but don't support same sex marriage. I'm pro-life. And business-minded in my financial thinking.

I think #1 issue is government spending because I think almost every aspect that is lacking suffers because of this.

I would like major tax reform, but I don't see it as possible for a long time. I would like to see no income tax and all be pushed towards consumption with an equal weighting to foreign goods.

I would like to see us stand up to foreign business affairs such as unfair tariffs and blatant stealing of intellectual property in places such as China.

With that being said, from what I can tell I think Romney would be the best candidate for me.

Without bashing, please, could you tell me why he is or is not the right candidate for my vote?

As stated, I don't know a whole lot about current politics.

Thanks

 

[ctownguy]

Here we go, let the parade begin

:0corn :0corn :00x19 :00x2 :00x20

 

[smurphy]

On other side, but good luck with your play!

 

[Chadman]

dawgball, this might be a good place to start:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm

The host site claims to be non-partisan and only posting info and results they gather in the hope of providing the kind of info you are looking for. I have nosed around there before, pretty interesting site. I can't vouch for the non-partisanship, but maybe it will help. Might do some people some good in finding the right candidate for their views for the primary, etc.

 

[dawgball]

That's a good website, chadman.

The quiz was better than the others I have tried. I liked how it gave descriptions of what Strongly Opposed, Opposed, etc. actually meant when answering.

Romney was well down my list which was shocking after reading his page. I was very close to many of his line items.

What surprised me is that Hillary was the first Dem on my list. Is she really the most conservative Dem running? That really is shocking to me, but as mentioned I don't follow this stuff very much at all.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You need to look at the voting record Dawg

--either I am interpreting data wrong or something doesn't make sense--

few examples from site

on terror

"Consistently supported tough anti-terrorism measures. (Oct 2005)"

---Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)

and--on budget
"Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)":scared

Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)

--and how many tax increases has she proposed so far.
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I find site informative Chad and had it book marked already.

However found out the key to sight a while back--is discount the "what they say" and focus on how they vote and that goes for both parties.

Have discovered 2 lately I couldn't vote for--Thompson on his votes against legal reform--and my prior fav dem candidate Biden on his current issues with waterboarding. Granted some may deem it torture but I don't see how when our special forces and others are subjected to it in training--and the benefits out of just one person I am aware of saved many lives.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Mitt is a Mormon. Mormon = Crazy. If you think I'm exaggerating, do a little research on Joseph Smith and his magic glasses.

 

[The Sponge]

Like to hear Stevied version of Romney.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Mitt is a Mormon. Mormon = Crazy. If you think I'm exaggerating, do a little research on Joseph Smith and his magic glasses.

I think the magic underwear is the best.

 

[bjfinste]

I think the magic underwear is the best.

Amen, my friend. My fave, as well.

 

[smurphy]

You need to look at the voting record Dawg

--either I am interpreting data wrong or something doesn't make sense--

few examples from site

on terror

"Consistently supported tough anti-terrorism measures. (Oct 2005)"

---Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)

and--on budget
"Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)":scared

Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)

--and how many tax increases has she proposed so far.
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I find site informative Chad and had it book marked already.

However found out the key to sight a while back--is discount the "what they say" and focus on how they vote and that goes for both parties.

Have discovered 2 lately I couldn't vote for--Thompson on his votes against legal reform--and my prior fav dem candidate Biden on his current issues with waterboarding. Granted some may deem it torture but I don't see how when our special forces and others are subjected to it in training--and the benefits out of just one person I am aware of saved many lives.

you are so insanely boring.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I see you are weighing only your opinion again Smurph--now had you said "boring to me"--that would have been fact.

--but has been evident how with your PC view --facts that don't fit your thinking need to be omitted.

I did say look at voting records of both parties--vs what they proclaim.

I single out the Clintons for reference as they are great politicians--ie can do anything and nothing sticks.

They lie-distort-perjure-get impeached disbarred-been indicted multiple times-found guilty and even :nono: in the face of the Smurphs of this world (who won't let facts get in their way) and get a :00hour from them.

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heres the lastest-Clinton deception--

Clock Is Ticking

Hillary Clinton says that when her husband left office ? Social Security was projected to be solvent until the year 2055. She contends that now ? solvency is predicted to end in 2041 ? a loss of 14 years ? because of what she calls "fiscal irresponsibility" by the Bush administration.

But the Social Security Administration says that its official statistics at the end of 2000 put the solvency year at 2037 ? not 2055. It says that the current figure is ? as Mrs. Clinton states ? 2041. But instead of it being a 14 year loss ? it is actually a four year gain.

FOX News asked the Clinton campaign repeatedly Monday and today to provide the source for that claim that the projection was 2055 when Bill Clinton left office ? but so far we have received no response.
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Now tell me how many besides you- heard speech and didn't know the real facts until I bored you with them.

Here's probably the grand-daddy of deception--you can go to almost any source and they will list Welfare Reform was one of Bill's greatest achievements--but was it his achievement or was it the senates (contract america achievement)

I'm not sold it was his achievement at all--why because of his voting record vs his wanting to take credit for it after the fact.

The voting record I'm speaking of are his 2 veto's against it in 12-6-95 and 1-9-96 before finally signing watered down version in 7-31-96.

So I assume I bored you again--but with your father (AR) on vacation--I feel it my duty to provide you with a few pertinent facts on fundemental issues anyway.

 

[Chadman]

It seems interesting that you are so focused on the deception of the Clinton's, and so defensive of Bush and Cheney who most feel are steeped in the same activity. One could almost call it hypocritical, if one wanted to. A simple retort with no links, I realize, but it's a simple observation since you are so focused on the past and quite possible future first family - which breeds even more comparisons, don't you think?

 

[smurphy]

I stand by what I said. Yawn.

 

[The Sponge]

Like to hear Shamrocks opinion on this subject.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

It seems interesting that you are so focused on the deception of the Clinton's, and so defensive of Bush and Cheney who most feel are steeped in the same activity. One could almost call it hypocritical, if one wanted to. A simple retort with no links, I realize, but it's a simple observation since you are so focused on the past and quite possible future first family - which breeds even more comparisons, don't you think?

Just give me the facts Chads
--I listed lie-distort-perjure-get impeached disbarred-been indicted multiple times-found guilty --and you can add rent out white house and sell pardons of 10 most wanted for cash--personal malfeasa--stuffing cigars up interns--mulitple molesting and a rape charge--land scemes--pleading the 5th--failure to recall 100's of times between the 2--
Whitewatergte-filegate-chinagate-travelgate ect

Do you have any of these on GW or Cheney--or something else you like to bring up.:shrug:

We can certainly compare lists--

 

[roc612]

If Bill Clinton had given any corporation(such as halliburton) an 8 billion dollar no bid contract(of which their is no accountability and of which about 1 billion is UNACCOUNTABLE at this point in time) the guy would up for impeachment all over again.Yet GWB never even gets asked about it- AMAZING!
2.) and how dumb are the Democrats anyway?
Republicans are always saying a "citizen" cant be PATRIOTIC unless they support the troops which to them equals supporting this unpopular war, Yet the democarts dont go after GWB, Cheney and Rove for exposing Valeri Plame as A cia covert operations Officer.The Dems shouldve said the GOP were the unpatriotic ones
I have to believe the GOP is in shock that the Dems arent appalled (and utilizing this issue)about the commuting of Scooter's sentence.
lets face it The democartic leadership doesnt know a gift when it gets hand delivered

 

[Chadman]

Fine, Wayne. Although there have been a plethora of instances such as you mention regarding Bush and Cheney both in and out of this forum that have been summarily dismissed by the Wayne/Weasal contingent, I can prepare a list and submit it - again.

We will never agree on the importance and severity of the issues - we both know that. So, not sure what the point is, but will play along.

 

[roc612]

Dogs,
GWB is less than honorable(said he would re- unite the country after the 2000 election- how's that working for you?
2.) said anyone caught being complicit in exposing Varei plame or any other cia covert operative would be fired- again i ask , Hows that working for you?"
so just because one guys "dirty laundry checklist" is a bit longer than the other guys doesnt mean squat.At the end of the day the GOP is not the compassionate party.The republicans dont give a effck about "JOE CITIZEN" so unless you own you own a somewhat large corporation this means they dont give a rats rearend about you either.
The GOP isnt to smart either. its 13 months before the election and they dont have a viable candidate to rally around.Unless of course they support Ron Paul
Ron Paul cant win the gop nomination- He has too much integrity and they dont like guys who dont accept money from and support big business

 

[The Sponge]

If Bill Clinton had given any corporation(such as halliburton) an 8 billion dollar no bid contract(of which their is no accountability and of which about 1 billion is UNACCOUNTABLE at this point in time) the guy would up for impeachment all over again.Yet GWB never even gets asked about it- AMAZING!
2.) and how dumb are the Democrats anyway?
Republicans are always saying a "citizen" cant be PATRIOTIC unless they support the troops which to them equals supporting this unpopular war, Yet the democarts dont go after GWB, Cheney and Rove for exposing Valeri Plame as A cia covert operations Officer.The Dems shouldve said the GOP were the unpatriotic ones
I have to believe the GOP is in shock that the Dems arent appalled (and utilizing this issue)about the commuting of Scooter's sentence.
lets face it The democartic leadership doesnt know a gift when it gets hand delivered

Right on Roc. How is it the GOP (the greedy ole Party) can use a statement by Kerry and spin it into a lie so monkeys can fall for it but the Dems have gift after gift after gift handed to them but don't say a thing?:shrug: enjoy Dogs post. He thinks like a billionaire with a middle class pocketbook.