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What do you mean if--I see you'r new to this section--most the halibuton hagglers are in hibernation after getting bit in the posterior by liberal op ed's.
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Heres a few facts that you can verify on fact check.org --
It is certainly true that during a two year period Halliburton?s revenue from Defense Department contracts doubled. However, that increase in revenue occurred from 1998 to 2000 - during the Clinton administration.
In 1998, Halliburton's total revenue was $14.5 billion, which included $284 million of Pentagon contracts. Two years later, Halliburton?s DoD contracts more than doubled.
Regarding the Iraq contracts, Halliburton was accused by Democrats of receiving special "no-bid" contracts because of Cheney?s influence. One advertisement by the Democrats charged, "Bush gave contracts to Halliburton instead of fighting corporate corruption."
FactCheck.org an organization which ascertains the validity of political campaign advertisements researched this accusation. According to FactCheck, "The Bush administration is doing a fair amount to fight corporate corruption, convicting or indicting executives of Enron, Arthur Andersen, Tyco International, Worldcom, Adelphia Communications Corporation, Credit Suisse First Boston, HealthSouth Corporation and others, including Martha Stewart. The Department of Justice says it has brought charges against 20 executives of Enron alone, and its Corporate Fraud Task Force says it has won convictions of more than 250 persons to date. Bush also signed the Sarbanes-Oxley legislation in 2002, imposing stringent new accounting rules in the wake of the Arthur Andersen scandal."
When Factcheck.org checked the facts about allegations by Democrats that there was a scandal because of the "no-bid" contracts awarded to Halliburton they stated, "It is false to imply that Bush personally awarded a contract to Halliburton. The ?no-bid contract? in question is actually an extension of an earlier contract to support U.S. troops overseas that Halliburton won under open bidding. In fact, the notion that Halliburton benefited from any cronyism has been poo-poohed by a Harvard University professor, Steven Kelman, who was administrator of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy in the Clinton administration. ?One would be hard-pressed to discover anyone with a working knowledge of how federal contracts are awarded...who doesn't regard these allegations as being somewhere between highly improbable and utterly absurd,? Kelman wrote in the Washington Post last November." (Emphasis added.)
The Center for Public Integrity another public interest group also investigated the purported scandal of the Halliburton "no-bid" contracts. They wrote:
In Iraq, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) has been awarded five contracts worth at least $10.8 billion, including more than $5.6 billion under the U.S. Army's Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP) contract, an omnibus contract that allows the Army to call on KBR for support in all of its field operations. When the Army needs a service performed, it issues a "task order," which lays out specific work requirements under the contract?From 1992 to 1997, KBR held the first LOGCAP contract awarded by the Army, but when it was time to renew the contract, the company lost in the competitive bidding process to DynCorp after the General Accounting Office reported in February 1997 that KBR had overrun its estimated costs in the Balkans by 32 percent (some of which was attributed to an increase in the Army's demands). KBR (obtained) the third LOGCAP contract in December 2001?n November 2002 the Army Corps of Engineers tasked KBR to develop a contingency plan for extinguishing oil well fires in Iraq?[O]n March 24, 2003, the Army Corps announced publicly that KBR had been awarded a contract to restore oil-infrastructure in Iraq, potentially worth $7 billion. The contract KBR received?would eventually include 10 distinct task orders. KBR did not come close to reaching the contract ceiling, billing just over $2.5 billion?The contract was awarded without submission for public bids or congressional notification. In their response to congressional inquiries, Army officials said they determined that extinguishing oil fires fell under the range of services provided under LOGCAP, meaning that KBR could deploy quickly and without additional security clearances.
Neither the Center for Public Integrity nor Factcheck.org determined anything sinister about Halliburton?s no-bid" contracts for the Iraq war. Two nonpartisan, nonaligned, public interest organizations have investigated the Halliburton allegations and found them to be specious allegations made for purely political purposes.
An L.A. Times op-ed of April 22 said, "Halliburton Received No-Bid Contracts During Clinton Administration For Work In Bosnia And Kosovo." An October 2003 article in the (Raleigh, NC) News & Observer quoted Bill Clinton's Undersecretary Of Commerce William Reinsch as saying "'Halliburton has a distinguished track record,' he said. 'They do business in some 120 countries. This is a group of people who know what they're doing in a difficult business. It's a particularly difficult business when people are shooting at you.'"
If Democrats want to investigate a scandal involving Iraq they should devote their efforts to the UN "Oil-for-Food" program instead of Halliburton. However, they will not because Saddam Hussein is not a candidate in this presidential election.
It is truly sad that the Democratic party can not even field a moderate Democrat, much less a conservative one. Those creatures do exist; I promise!
Six five they could put up God himself and as long as their was a D next to his name (or her or whatever) You are not going to vote for them. You don't think Bill Clinton was moderate? Hillary has taken money from every lobby known to mankind. You should love that about her. Face it nothing the Democrats can do will move you off your tunnel vision stance.
Dogs the difference here is that one is an open bid and the others were close bids. You need to do some research on the difference between the two of them.
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For the record, of my 4 presidential elections where I could vote I have voted Democrat once (Bill), Independent once (Perot), and Republican twice (GWB).
This thread quickly reminded me of why I stopped coming in here.
Is Clinton the most conservative Democrat on the ballot based on true stances (not just current platform)? If so, that surprises me.
This thread quickly reminded me of why I stopped coming in here.
Is Clinton the most conservative Democrat on the ballot based on true stances (not just current platform)? If so, that surprises me.
Jippers Dawg the first five guys tried to address your question and i tried to get three guys from Boston to post and hoped they would chime in. You would think the way you reacted everyone attacked you in this thread.:shrug:
If they were conservative, why would they be Democrats? What it seems like you want is a Republican running on the Republican ticket, and a Republican running on the Democrat ticket.
the great majority of the democrats around here are conservative. Believe it or not.
PS Sponge, I'm a registered Democrat.
Sponge, I have given my opinion on Romney many times. Personally he is a pretty nice guy, sat right next to him at a Celtics game, him and his wife are very personable good people. If you were a stock holder of a failing company, you would love him to take said company over (Staples), he knows how to make money (Bain Capital). That said he was not a very good governor of this St., he hangs his hat on not raising taxes, which indirectly may be true, but in reality he has gotten into everyone's pockets in quite the same fashion. He has raised rates on just about every thing in the commonwealth from getting your license, to registration, to stickers, to tolls etc. etc. he raised virtually every 2-4 times what it should cost.
At the same time infrastructure and public facilities in this state pale to what existed previously. State roads and bridges are in disparate shape, they have been consistently neglected to the point that they are dangerous, (and actually killing citizens). Public parks & beaches, that always rank among the best in the nation going back to Teddy Roosevelt, now are in dismal condition.
In all fairness, can't attribute all this to him personally, he had 4 Republican governors previous to himself who also stripped the state of services And workers. Crime definitely rose during Romney tenure, as Police and Fire personnel were also cut radically to save money.
Oh, I believe it. It just demonstrates the need for a third party (or more). Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever see it.
yeah bud i forgot but now i remember. I remember you or stevie saying something along the lines of he didn't raise taxes but he raised a lot of hidden stuff. Just thought it might be best to be heard from a guy from Boston. Me personally if he won i guess i wouldn't mind because he is a business guy. It can't get much worse. I will tell you what if the choice was him or that phony 911Rudy i would offer to campaign for him.
Dogs,
It took you 8 paragraphs to tell me an illegal "no bid" contract worth a pawltry 8 billion of which 1 billion has evaporated or at the very least is "unaccounted for" was legit. The rules of this government said it was illegal to award a NO BID contact. Just another example of how the law doesnt apply to the GOP
I dont need shills for the republican party to tell me or you or anybody else that if something looks like sh t , smells like sh t and taste likes sh t that ther's a very high probability it is sh t.
If it was such an above board contract how come the whistle blower at the GSA(general services administration) got pushed into a lateral position for opening her yap.
Amazes me how a conglomerate like Halliburton doesnt have a couple of competent accountants to give us" sucker citizens" a true accounting of whose pockets the missing billion got deposited in.
as far as the debate about dems being leftists.I would just like to say that Bill Clinton was/is a centrist((IE - a moderate) and Hillary and Joe Biden are as well.The problem with the rush limbaugh/ bill oreilly followers is that they cant stomach anyone who is to the right of the "LINE" period.
as far as Guilani goes- He could be the easiest of the REP candidates for the dems to defeat. He is very disliked in NY /NY city
It took you 8 paragraphs to tell me an illegal "no bid" contract worth a pawltry 8 billion of which 1 billion has evaporated or at the very least is "unaccounted for" was legit. The rules of this government said it was illegal to award a NO BID contact. Just another example of how the law doesnt apply to the GOP
I dont need shills for the republican party to tell me or you or anybody else that if something looks like sh t , smells like sh t and taste likes sh t that ther's a very high probability it is sh t.
If it was such an above board contract how come the whistle blower at the GSA(general services administration) got pushed into a lateral position for opening her yap.
Amazes me how a conglomerate like Halliburton doesnt have a couple of competent accountants to give us" sucker citizens" a true accounting of whose pockets the missing billion got deposited in.
as far as the debate about dems being leftists.I would just like to say that Bill Clinton was/is a centrist((IE - a moderate) and Hillary and Joe Biden are as well.The problem with the rush limbaugh/ bill oreilly followers is that they cant stomach anyone who is to the right of the "LINE" period.
as far as Guilani goes- He could be the easiest of the REP candidates for the dems to defeat. He is very disliked in NY /NY city
DTB's endless defense of the obvious war profiteering that has taken place in front of everyone's eyes under this administration while he is outraged by the Clinton bj pretty much sums it up. I have long since given up.
--a bit testy boys aren't we--what YOU believe is irrelevant --believe all 3 of you are WTC conspiracy advocates--yes
Just providing a few relevant facts--to counter liberal opinion-- What you make of it afterwards is your choice--matters little to me.
Just providing a few relevant facts--to counter liberal opinion-- What you make of it afterwards is your choice--matters little to me.
That all stems from the period of the Reconstruction. The Republicans led by Lincoln were the liberals then, and all the conservatives were in the Democratic Party. Over time, the liberals moved to the Democratic Party while the conservatives migrated to the Republican Party.
One good example of this would be Sam Nunn, the Senator from Georgia. Lifelong Democrat, but a conservative in the best sense of the word, IE--strong on defense, fiscally conservative, etc etc.
Most of your New Republic drivel is not a fact, and I admit that Haliburton has had a great deal of influence for a long time, during and before the Clinton admin, but here is a fact that puts your idiotic New Republic factoid into perspective.
"The oil services company Halliburton, largely through its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, has received more revenue from government contracts in the last year than from 1998 through 2002.
In 2003, when the company had record revenue of $16.3 billion, Halliburton received contracts from the Department of Defense worth $4.3 billion, while in the previous five years it obtained less than $2.5 billion from the military, according to an analysis by the Center for Public Integrity. "
This was in 2003, and we all know how well they have been doing since then
As for your Clinton obession:
"I listed lie-distort-perjure-get impeached disbarred-been indicted multiple times-found guilty"
He was not impeached, and which of one of this bullshit laundry list of items does not pertain to a bj?
"Whitewatergte-filegate-chinagate-travelgate ect"
which of one of this bullshit laundry list items was he found guilty of?
"The oil services company Halliburton, largely through its subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root, has received more revenue from government contracts in the last year than from 1998 through 2002.
In 2003, when the company had record revenue of $16.3 billion, Halliburton received contracts from the Department of Defense worth $4.3 billion, while in the previous five years it obtained less than $2.5 billion from the military, according to an analysis by the Center for Public Integrity. "
This was in 2003, and we all know how well they have been doing since then
As for your Clinton obession:
"I listed lie-distort-perjure-get impeached disbarred-been indicted multiple times-found guilty"
He was not impeached, and which of one of this bullshit laundry list of items does not pertain to a bj?
"Whitewatergte-filegate-chinagate-travelgate ect"
which of one of this bullshit laundry list items was he found guilty of?
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What anyone believes is totally irrevelant , However at least some of us can think for ourselves and are not sheeples.
Since its very hard for any party to control the white house for 3 consecutive terms (G h Bush ) (being the last one in a quite awhile) . then if I was a conservative(which i am not-in case anyone was wondering) I would be praying for HILLARY because the rest of the Dem's candidates are further to the LEFT than she is on a whole host of issues.
PLEASE try to understand this ...she is not a democrat. She is a CENTRIST!!!
And if she eff's up then she is the easiest for the GOP to defeat in 2012. Of course that logic didnt hold water for the current Genuis in that the sheeples were scared into voting for twice.
Lets face it GWB didnt win bevcause he was/is a good prez.(probaly will go down as the worst or one of) he won because the REpublicans use FEAR to get the mass of sheep's to vote for them.Fear that we will be invaded, fear that NRA will lose the gun control issue, Fear of gay's and gay marriage,fear that Roe vs Wade will never be overturned and the Fear list the Republicans s spew out just goes on and on and on
2.)they also smeared a decorated war hero(KERRY) who couldve hid from combat the way our current commander -in- chief did, but he didnt.
If you can smear a decorated war hero is it any wonder that qualified public servants wont run for office .I guess maybe thats how we ended up with the current(mr unqualified) leader we have in the first place.
Since its very hard for any party to control the white house for 3 consecutive terms (G h Bush ) (being the last one in a quite awhile) . then if I was a conservative(which i am not-in case anyone was wondering) I would be praying for HILLARY because the rest of the Dem's candidates are further to the LEFT than she is on a whole host of issues.
PLEASE try to understand this ...she is not a democrat. She is a CENTRIST!!!
And if she eff's up then she is the easiest for the GOP to defeat in 2012. Of course that logic didnt hold water for the current Genuis in that the sheeples were scared into voting for twice.
Lets face it GWB didnt win bevcause he was/is a good prez.(probaly will go down as the worst or one of) he won because the REpublicans use FEAR to get the mass of sheep's to vote for them.Fear that we will be invaded, fear that NRA will lose the gun control issue, Fear of gay's and gay marriage,fear that Roe vs Wade will never be overturned and the Fear list the Republicans s spew out just goes on and on and on
2.)they also smeared a decorated war hero(KERRY) who couldve hid from combat the way our current commander -in- chief did, but he didnt.
If you can smear a decorated war hero is it any wonder that qualified public servants wont run for office .I guess maybe thats how we ended up with the current(mr unqualified) leader we have in the first place.
".)they also smeared a decorated war hero(KERRY) who couldve hid from combat the way our current commander -in- chief did, but he didnt."
--War hero my ass--.
He volunteered to be on ship off coast of Vietnam--then they decided to put several on patrol boats on rivers in VN--and it took him less than 3 months to get the hell out--via a splinter-a bruise-and small piece of shrapnel in his ass--which he got from his own ordinance being set off.
Now he may be your hero--but you can be sure most Vets have a diff word for him
--War hero my ass--.
He volunteered to be on ship off coast of Vietnam--then they decided to put several on patrol boats on rivers in VN--and it took him less than 3 months to get the hell out--via a splinter-a bruise-and small piece of shrapnel in his ass--which he got from his own ordinance being set off.
Now he may be your hero--but you can be sure most Vets have a diff word for him
