Rebuilding without spending money or adding players? Umm yeah? Rebuilding what was the youngest team in the NFL - w Favre- that was one play from the Super Bowl? Yeah.
It may be lots of things - it isnt "rebuilding."
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Rebuilding without spending money or adding players? Umm yeah? Rebuilding what was the youngest team in the NFL - w Favre- that was one play from the Super Bowl? Yeah.
It may be lots of things - it isnt "rebuilding."
Brett Favre QB'd this team to a 4-12 season a couple years ago, too.
It's nice to "forget" about that in your argument.
It's nice to "forget" about that in your argument.
Don't let facts slow you down:
Montana helped his teams to 31 fourth quarter come-from-behind wins.
In his four Super Bowls, Montana completed 83 of 122 passes for 1,142 yards and 11 touchdowns, with an impressive zero interceptions, earning him a passer rating of 127.8. Montana led his team to victory in each game, and is the only player ever to win three Super Bowl MVP awards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana#NFL_records_and_accomplishments
http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016306.html
FWIW, Aaron Rodger's performance and leadership in his first 12 games as the starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers does not compare unfavorably in the least to Brett Favre's first 3 seasons or his last 3 seasons in that role.
I admire people's passions, but it's usually somewhat annoying and possibly wrong to more or less claim the ability to provide a black and white analysis of everything Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Ted Thompson and other people's opinions.
GL
Mags when you make a quote about Montana stating that his career was to short and he was hurt thus how can he be a legend, you lose all credability IMHO.
Thats like stating that Clarks hit on Welker was clean.Hes lucky he wasnt the next Stingley.
I heard that on the way to work this morning.
Joe Montana was one of the best QBS ever,EVER!
Thats like stating that Clarks hit on Welker was clean.Hes lucky he wasnt the next Stingley.
I heard that on the way to work this morning.
Joe Montana was one of the best QBS ever,EVER!
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I was just quoting numbers......
Revised - ignoring his first year (when he wasn't a starter) Montana has only started 164 out of 232 possible games while in the NFL. Which means he missed starting 30% of his available games due to injury/ineffectiveness. That is a huge number! He missed 2 full seasons in the early 90's (played 1 game in one of those years).
While talented, I think people have forgotten just how brittle Joe was.
So the numbers are right on. While he was a talented QB, he was brittle and not of the field as much as he should have been.
Continuity at the QB position is very important to a football team. (ask the Bears about that over the years :mj07: )
Now compare those numbers to Favre, who has played 250+ straight starts......
Montana is like Bo Jackson - both tremendous players when healthy, but not healthy enough of the time to consider them among the best ever......
So, credibility back, as my comments are backed up by appropriate numbers.......
But I will give you this - Montana did win 2 MVP's, so he was obviously a very good player... it's too bad he was hurt as much as he was ....
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Just wanted people to understand that the Packers may have been under the salary cap but they still have limited reserves they have to have. They cannot afford to spend wildly in free agency. Think of your 401k right now. They have to plan and becareful on how they spend money in the offseason. As far as bringing a team back Rodgers did today. They scored with less than two minutes. He wasn't on the special teams or the defense that gave up that final touchdown. As far as Mags goes it is okay if your a Brett fan but to compare him to Joe Montana is ridiculous. I would rather have had a quarter back who won multiple Super Bowls like Montana and Brady than Favre or Payton Manning who only won once and have never missed a game. Ripken Jr never missed a game but would you call him the greatest shortstop. Favre was fun to watch but in his last 10 years he won only 3 playoff games. In his last seven playoff games he threw 7tds and 14 interceptions. He played on teams that lost three out of his last 5 home playoff games. So just get over the Favre thing and give Rodgers a chance.
Packers
Just wanted people to understand that the Packers may have been under the salary cap but they still have limited reserves they have to have. They cannot afford to spend wildly in free agency. Think of your 401k right now. They have to plan and becareful on how they spend money in the offseason. As far as bringing a team back Rodgers did today. They scored with less than two minutes. He wasn't on the special teams or the defense that gave up that final touchdown. As far as Mags goes it is okay if your a Brett fan but to compare him to Joe Montana is ridiculous. I would rather have had a quarter back who won multiple Super Bowls like Montana and Brady than Favre or Payton Manning who only won once and have never missed a game. Ripken Jr never missed a game but would you call him the greatest shortstop. Favre was fun to watch but in his last 10 years he won only 3 playoff games. In his last seven playoff games he threw 7tds and 14 interceptions. He played on teams that lost three out of his last 5 home playoff games. So just get over the Favre thing and give Rodgers a chance.
Good points, greed.
I don't agree Super Bowls are the be all, end all to rating QB's though - if we did that, then we'd have to agree that Marino is no better than, say Doug Willliams or somebody like that.
FYI - I think you'd find SOME people (not me) that would argue that Ripken could be the best SS of all time....
Plus according to Packer Backers ,there was no need to spend after a 13-3 season,its all Rodgers fault:mj07:
