Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die

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"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun." says Wayne LaPierre, the vice president of the National Rifle Association.

That's become the kernel of the NRA's response to recent mass shooting tragedies -- if only more people carried guns for protection, the thinking goes, then they would be less likely to be victimized by gun-wielding criminals.

?The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,? LaPierre said

The challenge to that argument is that, data show, guns are rarely used in self-defense -- especially relative to the rate at which they're used in criminal homicides or suicides. A recent report from the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, put those numbers in some perspective, and I dug up the raw numbers from the FBI's homicide data. Take a look:

In 2012, there were 8,855 criminal gun homicides in the FBI's homicide database, but only 258 gun killings by private citizens that were deemed justifiable, which the FBI defines as "the killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen."

That works out to one justifiable gun death for every 34 unjustifiable gun deaths.

Or, look at it this way. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data shows that in 2012 there were 20,666 suicides by gun. That works out to one self-defense killing for every 78 gun suicides. CDC data show that there were more than twice as many accidental gun fatalities as as justifiable killings.

There are, of course, plenty of solid arguments for robust 2nd Amendment protections. Millions of people use guns for sport and recreation every day. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens, not criminals.

But, though some people certainly use guns for self-defense, the data suggest that overall, guns are used far more often for killing then self-defense. As a result, it's may be thinking twice about arguments for more guns in schools, churches and other public places.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/

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What is it with your obsession to constantly post your perceived view of what is wrong with my country. Are you a citizen. Fk no! Take your maple leaf, shove it up your ass ( Your Preference ) and worry about your own shit hole aka Canada. How did the over the top gun laws in France work for the Charlie Hebdo guys? Yep they are still dead...
My CC .45 Kimber tactical is going with me right now on my daily run. Try and take it away!

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Btw how did your gun laws work for this guy. Yep he is still dead also Dickhead.





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I've been to Whitewater and it's a beautiful campus. Unfortunately, my perception of Wisconsin is now tarnished beyond repair just knowing that a total loser like yourself resides there. I vacation in Ontario every summer and find it to be a wonderful province with great people. In all my travels there I've yet to meet anybody as distasteful as yourself.

Big man with his gun...... laughable.
 

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?The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,? LaPierre said

Hmmmm. The USA has the highest gun-ownership rate in the world, and-

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The way to stop Wayn-er from killing is to take away his guns.

But don't all ya'll redneck beer-bellied Bubbas git yerselfs confudsed by facts jist 'acause the USofA has a ten times higher rate of murder by gun than any other advanced country.

Yessiree, Wayn-er sez all we needs is more good ole boys wif guns.

Nevermind that there are now more guns in the USofA than there are people.


But, seriously, just so you know, my wife and I own guns. We shoot targets and we hunt. I'm certain we shoot more, and better, than Wayn-er. We have never had a loaded gun in our house or vehicle and never will.
 
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Hmmmm. The USA has the highest gun-ownership rate in the world, and-

GunViolence-620x445.png


The way to stop Wayn-er from killing is to take away his guns.

But don't all ya'll redneck beer-bellied Bubbas git yerselfs confudsed by facts jist 'acause the USofA has a ten times higher rate of murder by gun than any other advanced country.

Yessiree, Wayn-er sez all we needs is more good ole boys wif guns.

Nevermind that there are now more guns in the USofA than there are people.


But, seriously, just so you know, my wife and I own guns. We shoot targets and we hunt. I'm certain we shoot more, and better, than Wayn-er. We have never had a loaded gun in our house or vehicle and never will.

Well, sell your guns or STFU!!!

Your CHOICE.

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What is it with your obsession to constantly post your perceived view of what is wrong with my country. Are you a citizen. Fk no! Take your maple leaf, shove it up your ass ( Your Preference ) and worry about your own shit hole aka Canada. How did the over the top gun laws in France work for the Charlie Hebdo guys? Yep they are still dead...
My CC .45 Kimber tactical is going with me right now on my daily run. Try and take it away!

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Btw how did your gun laws work for this guy. Yep he is still dead also Dickhead.

:0008 Have a great day ladies!!!!

Obviously, dual citizenship is a concept that is foreign to you. This is unsurprising. Neither is the fact that you tend to assume, jump to conclusions, and pontificate about things you know little of.

As for the Charlie Hebdo incident in France and the murder of Jeremy Cook in London, Ont. within the scope of the racially-motivated murders in South Carolina, yeah, you're right. They do make everything equal. LOL What a venerable jackass you are! Oh, the word play. ROTFL

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I've been to Whitewater and it's a beautiful campus. Unfortunately, my perception of Wisconsin is now tarnished beyond repair just knowing that a total loser like yourself resides there. I vacation in Ontario every summer and find it to be a wonderful province with great people. In all my travels there I've yet to meet anybody as distasteful as yourself.

Big man with his gun...... laughable.

I appreciate you staying out of my state. We have enough shit via Chicago and you are one huge pile of shit. Your absence will only be a positive as in keeping the garbage out of my state. Go and pollute Canada all you want !
 

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Obviously, dual citizenship is a concept that is foreign to you. This is unsurprising. Neither is the fact that you tend to assume, jump to conclusions, and pontificate about things you know little of.

As for the Charlie Hebdo incident in France and the murder of Jeremy Cook in London, Ont. within the scope of the racially-motivated murders in South Carolina, yeah, you're right. They do make everything equal. LOL What a venerable jackass you are! Oh, the word play. ROTFL

Peace! :)

Dual Citizenship, don't believe it but if true what a stain on our rep..
Nice try on your rhetoric and spin but the fact remains these people are still dead even with your wanted draconian gun laws.
Again you lose. Keep that studying up , we all need more women studies PhDs... :142smilie
 

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Nice try on your rhetoric and spin but the fact remains these people are still dead even with your wanted draconian gun laws.
Again you lose. Keep that studying up , we all need more women studies PhDs... :142smilie

Yeah, you're right. Nevermind all the statistics that prove you're a doofus. LOL

And what exactly is your obsession with women's studies? Not that I know much about the discipline, but they do have some great thinkers beginning with Judith Butler. What's wrong? Was it the one humanities elective you chose to take during your undergrad thinking that it was an easy A and instead failed miserably due to a lack of critical thinking?

Or wait....did they even HAVE women's studies when you were an undergrad? lulz

I won't crack on U of Wisconsin because I have great respect and admiration for its historical stand against the war in Vietnam and because it is still inherently progressive. And it would be a shame if Walker was able to destroy the tenure system in the state. What would be considered a lack of foresight by most would be celebrated by you and your ilk....reveling as kings of mediocrity/idiocracy. HA!

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Dual Citizenship, don't believe it but if true what a stain on our rep..
Nice try on your rhetoric and spin but the fact remains these people are still dead even with your wanted draconian gun laws.

WTF are you talking about?

Gun laws are basically unchanged since 1933 when full auto was outlawed and 1968 when mail order was outlawed.

You're living proof that you can't fix stupid.
 
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