Hagel/Novak/NY Post

kosar

Centrist
Forum Member
Nov 27, 1999
11,112
55
0
ft myers, fl
Decorated Republican war vet/ right leaning journalist/extremely right leaning newspaper.

By ROBERT D. NOVAK

April 30, 2007 -- SEN. Chuck Hagel returned from his fifth visit to Iraq to join Senate Democrats last Thursday as one of two Republicans voting to begin withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. It wasn't an easy vote for a party regular and faithful supporter of President Bush's non-Iraq policies. A few days earlier, Hagel sat down with me to paint a bleak picture of the war and U.S. policy.

Over a dozen years, I have had many such conversations with Hagel not for quotation. This time, I asked him to go on the record about his assessment of what the "surge" has accomplished. In blunt language, more blunt than his prepared speeches and articles, he described Iraq as "coming undone," with its regime "weaker by the day." He deplored the Bush administration's failure to craft a coherent Middle East policy, blaming the influence of Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams.

Hagel faces a political paradox as he ponders a career decision - to run for president, seek re-election next year or get out of elective politics. His harsh assessment resonates with many Republicans who believe Bush's war policy has led the party to disaster. Yet, this message faces rejection by GOP primary voters.

After his latest visit to Baghdad, Fallujah, Ramadi and Anbar Province, Hagel told me: "This thing is really coming undone quickly, and [Prime Minister Nouri al-]Maliki's government is weaker by the day. The police are corrupt, top to bottom. The oil problem is a huge problem. They still can't get anything through the parliament." "

The regional problem, as Hagel describes it, is a failure to engage Iran and Syria. "I do know that there are a number of Israelis who would like to engage Syria," said Hagel. "They have said that Elliott Abrams keeps pushing them back." He quoted foreign ministers, ambassadors and former U.S. officials as saying they believe Abrams "is making policy in the Middle East."

Hagel certainly is no peace-now zealot. "We're not going to precipitously pull out," he told me. "We have interests in Iraq." While he asserted "we can't get out by the end of the year," he called for "pulling some of our guys out - not all of them, but you've got to get them out of [Baghdad] at least, get them out of the middle of civil war." If not, Hagel said, "then the prospects of the Republican Party are very dim next year."

What about claims that failure to stop the terrorists in Iraq will open the door to them in the American homeland?

"That's nonsense," Hagel replied. "I've never believed that. That's the same kind of rhetoric and thinking that neo-cons used to get us into this mess. . . . Nothing turned out the way they said it would."

It's "nonsense," Hagel said, because "Iraq is not embroiled in a terrorist war today." A member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he cited "national intelligence" attributing "maybe 10 percent of the insurgency and violence" to al Qaeda. Indeed, he described Shias, Sunnis and Kurds as opposed to al Qaeda: "They don't like the terrorists. What's happened in Anbar Province is the tribes are finally starting to connect with us because al Qaeda started killing some of their leadership and threatening their people. So the tribes now are at war with al Qaeda."

"So," said Hagel, "when I hear people say, 'Well, if we leave them to that, it will be chaos.' What do you think is going on now? Scaring the American people into this blind alley is so dangerous."

These judgments come from someone credited with rebuilding Nebraska's Republican Party who has a lifetime American Conservative Union record of 85.2 percent. Hagel represents millions of Republicans who are repelled by the Democratic personal assault on Bush but deeply unhappy about his course in Iraq.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,516
212
63
Bowling Green Ky
--and I applaud Libermans---:shrug:

Pretty good search though Matt to find article on one of the 2 rebs that sided with the dems. :)
 
Last edited:

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
--and I applaud Libermans---:shrug:

The difference is Hagel is all about the country called America and Liberman is all about a country called Isreal. Hagel is a true conservative. Dogs you are a middleclass puppet neocon.
 

Eddie Haskell

Matt 02-12-11
Forum Member
Feb 13, 2001
4,595
41
0
26
Cincinnati
aclu.org
Lieberman is a democrat in name only. He's still pissed the DNC did not back him in the primary. Love to see him voted out of office. Sponge your right on about the Zionist thing.

Ed
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
Lieberman is a democrat in name only. He's still pissed the DNC did not back him in the primary. Love to see him voted out of office. Sponge your right on about the Zionist thing.

Ed

He was voted out Eddie but he showed his true colors by running as an independent because he is power hungry creep. This is how pathetic some of these Republicans are as they voted him in on spite instead of there very own canadate. He does stick to democratic platforms. Now here is a guy who votes 99 percent against what DTB stands for but he somehow likes him because of the war which is only 1 platform. What does that tell you about DTB. Nevermind I think you know.
 

smurphy

cartographer
Forum Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,914
140
63
17
L.A.
I'll always remember Lieberman whining like a little girl when he was beaten in the primary. He showed no class.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,516
212
63
Bowling Green Ky
SpongeBob if you were smart enough to do search you can go back to 99 and you will find I've always like Lieberman--even pre war.

--the war only changed somes views from Lieberman being their VP choice to trying to kick him out.

--and think he had reason to be upset with how the party tried to run him off--however in the only true poll--the people spoke once again.

--and speaking of true poll and the people--I like this little angle the Dem candidates are trying to invoke on their troops.

The dem talking point on iraq vote has been the pres should listen to congress and "the people".

I believe the facts would tell us just the opposite.
The Dems need to listen to the people.
2004 election was after the invasion-after no wmd's were found--and who did the people choose as commander in chief for these troubled times.

---and if there is one thing the Dems have confirmed since 06 it is their weak on terror tag--

They have spent entire time since 06 on issues like wage increase--and carping on what is wrong on major issues with no input on solutions.

however the leaders have stepped out with a few of their solutions on major issues of war and immigration.

to date Omana's solution on war on terror is pull out and fight war on terror by doubling foreign aid.

Hiliary on illegal immigration-- provide gov aid to sanctuary cities of illegals to offset the expense they incur for harboring illegals.

--did you expect anything less :)
 

gardenweasel

el guapo
Forum Member
Jan 10, 2002
40,587
234
63
"the bunker"
unfortunately, when "mavericks" like hagel stray from the ranch, it's usually in the direction of the cowshit......and of course,they get oodles of msm attention.....

i`m sure he loves that...

""It's "nonsense," Hagel said, because "Iraq is not embroiled in a terrorist war today." A member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, he cited "national intelligence" attributing "maybe 10 percent of the insurgency and violence" to al Qaeda."

hmmm..petraues stated that iraqi on iraqi violence is down by 2/3.......

oh,and btw.....they`re are reports that the head of al qaeda in iraq has been killed by sunni insurgents in iraq.......abu ayyub al-masri....what`s he doing there?...in the middle of a civil war?....

hopefully,this is true........

""Initial reports indicated fighting "between insurgents" resulted in al-Masri's death, however this has since changed to "local tribes." The tribe is being reported to hail from Fallujah. If this is accurate, the death of Abu Ayyub al-Masri would have come at the hands of none other than Sheikh Abdul Sattar al-Risha's Anbar Salvation Council. Sunni insurgent groups have signed on with the Anbar Salvation Council to fight al Qaeda and secure Anbar province.""

hopefully true.....and hopefully,as has been reported,the sunni insurgents are tiring of al qaeda`s act......

hagel?....i love the way that everyone always quotes dismissed or retired military leaders....or ex- military rino`s like hagel...

hagel`s a chucklehead....he`s also the guy that wants us to cut castro some slack.....

republican presidential candidate?....i`ll enjoy seeing him beaten like a red-headed step-child wearing a dirty blanket and riding a rented mule.....


he`s probably blood kin to ramsey clark...
 
Last edited:

The Judge

Pura Vida!
Forum Member
Aug 5, 2004
4,909
29
0
SJO
The dem talking point on iraq vote has been the pres should listen to congress and "the people".

I believe the facts would tell us just the opposite.
The Dems need to listen to the people.
2004 election was after the invasion-after no wmd's were found--and who did the people choose as commander in chief for these troubled times.
I am curious Wayne, if you knew then what you know now about our current President, would you still have voted for him or would you have abstained as I did for the first time in my life?

I have posed this question before; what ever happened to the great men who were once so willing to lead this great country of ours? The pathetic choices that the American voters have been given in the last two presidential elections did not pass my personal litmus test.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,516
212
63
Bowling Green Ky
Yep gregg I would --with who they had to oppose him i'd vote same way tomorrow.

I can't say I am real found of any of leading candidates gop has for 08---but the alternatives of hiliary and obama and possibly the duo together --it appears instant replay.

I am on Bills ass all the time but would opt for him 10/1 over Gore-Kerry-Obama or Hilary.

I agree with your buddy Iacoca--where have all the leaders gone. Was working for chrysler back in days of Iacoca and federal bailout--and he gave one of the most motivational speeches i ever heard.

however do not agree with him on views of war or military matters even before his recent speech--

post from 06--
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1553816


If you had to choose a non political figure for pres-vice pres team-- who would it be.

Will have to think about pres for a while but would opt for Lee Iacoca (spl) as vice pres. Gave most powerful speech I ever heard to Chrysler employees many years back. Would be shoe in for eonomics and budget for me--lack of military and foreign relations only draw back for pres.--by the way he is a registered dem but never voted a straight ticket in his life--per his speech.
 

The Judge

Pura Vida!
Forum Member
Aug 5, 2004
4,909
29
0
SJO
DOGS THAT BARK said:
Yep gregg I would --with who they had to oppose him i'd vote same way tomorrow.
I think that if I had to choose between voting Dubya into a third term or giving up my citizenship, it would be a difficult decision but sadly, I would probably have to choose the later. I am so disgusted with what this country has become that it hurts for me to think about it. It is about time for me to "cut & run" to Central America.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285460
 

smurphy

cartographer
Forum Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,914
140
63
17
L.A.
Judge moving to Panama, Freeze moving to Canada, Weasel moving to Australia, and DTB moving to China... Damn, looks I'll have the US all to myself! :SIB My first act as sole ruler - get rid of Texas.
 

smurphy

cartographer
Forum Member
Jul 31, 2004
19,914
140
63
17
L.A.
Judge, if you abandon your beloved state then it will be your own fault. They need you to keep people like me from giving them to Mexico!
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,516
212
63
Bowling Green Ky
I am fed up with lots of things also here Gregg--but prob diff things than you--I will look forward to your report on Panama.

I will be retiring somewhere besides here. Going to let those supporting the socialistic programs--pay for them.

I will look forward to your report on Panama--and would considering investing some $$ down there with you if need be.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top