Halliburton continues to screw taxpayers - when will you guys care?

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I am continually amazed when people defend Halliburton and this administration when it comes to awarding them no-bid contracts. At some point, don't the most staunch of conservatives have to admit that the administration - and Dick Cheney - have to be held accountable for this BS?!? This infuriates me...we have to cut programs like college LOAN programs, which actually make the government money with interest, and child support enforcement, but the administration is happy to throw billions to a company that steals our money and doesn't even STOP doing it after they are discovered. GOD this pixxes me off! Yeah, there is no tie or corruption with Dick Cheney and Halliburton. No responsibility there, right staunch conservatives? It's time this was addressed.

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Undisclosed documents shed light on further Halliburton billing abuse; $57m in new questioned charges

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday March 28, 2006

An analysis by a Democratic congressman of Halliburton's third major contract in Iraq found that the firm's third contract was ripe with allegations of billing abuse, RAW STORY has learned.

According to Waxman's review, some $57 million in charges were questioned by the Defense Contract Audit Agency, an arm of the Pentagon, in a random audit of several task orders. Out of $111 million in costs examined, $57 million were questioned or unsupported -- more than 50% of the total costs for these orders.

Halliburton has faced scrutiny of its Iraq contracts before -- they were awarded a secret "no-bid" contract as the US went to war in Iraq in March 2003. Army auditors previously questioned large chunks of Halliburton's billing, but the company was awarded a bonus for their work regardless.

Though the Army flagged $263 million of an earlier $1.5 billion contract as unsupported, they ultimately decided to pay the firm $253 million of the 263. This was reported by the New York Times in February.

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) released the first analysis of Halliburton's "Restore Iraqi Oil" 2 contract Tuesday. The examination of previously undisclosed correspondence, evaluations, and audits reveals that government officials and investigators have harshly criticized Halliburton's performance under RIO 2. The documents disclose an "overwhelmingly negative" performance, including:

(Bullet points from a release)

Intentional Overcharging: Halliburton repeatedly overcharged the taxpayer, apparently intentionally. In one case, "[c]ost estimates had hidden rate factors to increase cost of project without informing the Government." In another instance, Halliburton "tried to inflate cost estimate by $26M." In a third example, Halliburton claimed costs for laying concrete pads and footings that the Iraqi Oil Ministry had "already put in place."

Exorbitant Costs: Halliburton was "accruing exorbitant indirect costs at a rapid rate." Government officials concluded that Halliburton's "lack of cost containment and funds management is the single biggest detriment to this program." They found a "lack of cost control ... in Houston, Kuwait, and Iraq." In a partial review of the RIO 2 contract, DCAA auditors challenged $45 million in costs as unreasonable or unsupported.

Inadequate Cost Reporting: Halliburton "universally failed to provide adequate cost information," had "profound systemic problems," provided "substandard" cost reports that did "not meet minimum standards," and submitted reports that had been "vetted of any information that would allow tracking of details." Halliburton produced "unacceptable unchecked cost reports."

Schedule Delays: Halliburton's work under RIO 2 was continually plagued by delays. Halliburton had a "50% late completion" rate for RIO 2 projects. Evaluations noted "untimely work" and "schedule slippage."

Refusal to Cooperate: Evaluations described Halliburton as "obstructive" with oversight officials. Despite the billions in taxpayer funds Halliburton has been paid, the company's "leadership demonstrated minimal cooperative attitude resolving problems."
 

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Chadman said:
At some point, don't the most staunch of conservatives have to admit that the administration - and Dick Cheney - have to be held accountable for this BS?!?

Predicted Wayne reply: "Cheney gave a ton to charity. Compare it to Kerry"
 

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Hey, dude. Halliburton offered me a job straight out of college back in the day.
They ain't that bad.

Didn't take it. It was overseas.
 

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Hey, dude. Halliburton offered me a job straight out of college back in the day.
They ain't that bad.

Didn't take it. It was overseas.

I'm guessing that you were far more qualified for your job than Cheney was when they named him CEO, for God sakes.
 

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Where was all this whining on Halibuton when your icon Slick was giving them no bid contracts????

You all need to do a little less whining and a little more "FACT" checking----
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=15426

Why do leftists demonize Halliburton? What proof exists of their claims of corruption? What exactly has Halliburton done to profit from American military casualties? Indeed, have they profited from military casualties? Is there a special relationship between the Bush administration and Halliburton so that the company receives contracts without observing the normal bidding process?

It is certainly true that during a two year period Halliburton?s revenue from Defense Department contracts doubled. However, that increase in revenue occurred from 1998 to 2000 - during the Clinton administration.

In 1998, Halliburton's total revenue was $14.5 billion, which included $284 million of Pentagon contracts. Two years later, Halliburton?s DoD contracts more than doubled.

Regarding the Iraq contracts, Halliburton was accused by Democrats of receiving special "no-bid" contracts because of Cheney?s influence. One advertisement by the Democrats charged, "Bush gave contracts to Halliburton instead of fighting corporate corruption."

FactCheck.org an organization which ascertains the validity of political campaign advertisements researched this accusation. According to FactCheck, "The Bush administration is doing a fair amount to fight corporate corruption, convicting or indicting executives of Enron, Arthur Andersen, Tyco International, Worldcom, Adelphia Communications Corporation, Credit Suisse First Boston, HealthSouth Corporation and others, including Martha Stewart. The Department of Justice says it has brought charges against 20 executives of Enron alone, and its Corporate Fraud Task Force says it has won convictions of more than 250 persons to date. Bush also signed the Sarbanes-Oxley legislation in 2002, imposing stringent new accounting rules in the wake of the Arthur Andersen scandal."

When Factcheck.org checked the facts about allegations by Democrats that there was a scandal because of the "no-bid" contracts awarded to Halliburton they stated, "It is false to imply that Bush personally awarded a contract to Halliburton. The ?no-bid contract? in question is actually an extension of an earlier contract to support U.S. troops overseas that Halliburton won under open bidding. In fact, the notion that Halliburton benefited from any cronyism has been poo-poohed by a Harvard University professor, Steven Kelman, who was administrator of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy in the Clinton administration. ?One would be hard-pressed to discover anyone with a working knowledge of how federal contracts are awarded...who doesn't regard these allegations as being somewhere between highly improbable and utterly absurd,? Kelman wrote in the Washington Post last November." (Emphasis added.)

The Center for Public Integrity another public interest group also investigated the purported scandal of the Halliburton "no-bid" contracts. They wrote:


In Iraq, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR) has been awarded five contracts worth at least $10.8 billion, including more than $5.6 billion under the U.S. Army's Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP) contract, an omnibus contract that allows the Army to call on KBR for support in all of its field operations. When the Army needs a service performed, it issues a "task order," which lays out specific work requirements under the contract?From 1992 to 1997, KBR held the first LOGCAP contract awarded by the Army, but when it was time to renew the contract, the company lost in the competitive bidding process to DynCorp after the General Accounting Office reported in February 1997 that KBR had overrun its estimated costs in the Balkans by 32 percent (some of which was attributed to an increase in the Army's demands). KBR (obtained) the third LOGCAP contract in December 2001?n November 2002 the Army Corps of Engineers tasked KBR to develop a contingency plan for extinguishing oil well fires in Iraq?[O]n March 24, 2003, the Army Corps announced publicly that KBR had been awarded a contract to restore oil-infrastructure in Iraq, potentially worth $7 billion. The contract KBR received?would eventually include 10 distinct task orders. KBR did not come close to reaching the contract ceiling, billing just over $2.5 billion?The contract was awarded without submission for public bids or congressional notification. In their response to congressional inquiries, Army officials said they determined that extinguishing oil fires fell under the range of services provided under LOGCAP, meaning that KBR could deploy quickly and without additional security clearances.

Neither the Center for Public Integrity nor Factcheck.org determined anything sinister about Halliburton?s no-bid" contracts for the Iraq war. Two nonpartisan, nonaligned, public interest organizations have investigated the Halliburton allegations and found them to be specious allegations made for purely political purposes.

---and what say you?????
 

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So there both wrong and some thing should be done?
 

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Wayne, you have taken the time to give a thoughtful response that contains a lot of info. I will give it its proper look and respond. My short answer would be that I don't care who is in power...if it has been proven that a contractor is overcharging - REPEATEDLY - taxpayers that they should not continue to get contracts. If they were overcharging during the Clinton years, then they should be held accountable. You continue to bring up Clinton as if that makes anything going on since then unimportant. Can you answer one question...if Clinton did something wrong, and Bush did something wrong, would you say that Bush did something wrong?

Again...I will address this when I get some time. At least you point out some very credible points, unlike some here. At first glance, your points are well taken. But if you are saying that the Halliburton-Cheney connection has not personally benefitted Cheney and the company specifically because of his position in the Senate, as Secretary of Defense and as Vice President...I'd say you are wrong. And taxpayers have paid for it, and that should be wrong to ANY taxpayer.
 

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Not faulting Clinton on contracts Chad--There are about only 2 companys in the world large enough to tackle some jobs.
Does Haliburton take advantage of situation--you bet they do.
 

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Good point on the size of the company and some situations, Wayne. I have not had time to go through your post, but promise to try today.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
---and what say you?????

This is what say I.

Your 'rebuttal' from factcheck had nothing to do with the accusations in Chad's article. Your article concludes that there was nothing unusual about them receiving no-bid contracts. What does that have to do with the point of the original article? Nothing.

So in the other thread you say that you 'settled' the Halibutron debate. Not quite. You probably didn't even read the original article, so i'll pull a few quotes and you can tell me how the factcheck thing addresses them.

You're correct that there are few companies out there capable of this work, but that doesn't make it right when they steal from the taxpayers. I guess that doesn't bother you in *this* case.

According to Waxman's review, some $57 million in charges were questioned by the Defense Contract Audit Agency, an arm of the Pentagon, in a random audit of several task orders. Out of $111 million in costs examined, $57 million were questioned or unsupported -- more than 50% of the total costs for these orders.


Intentional Overcharging: Halliburton repeatedly overcharged the taxpayer, apparently intentionally. In one case, "[c]ost estimates had hidden rate factors to increase cost of project without informing the Government." In another instance, Halliburton "tried to inflate cost estimate by $26M." In a third example, Halliburton claimed costs for laying concrete pads and footings that the Iraqi Oil Ministry had "already put in place."


Inadequate Cost Reporting: Halliburton "universally failed to provide adequate cost information," had "profound systemic problems," provided "substandard" cost reports that did "not meet minimum standards," and submitted reports that had been "vetted of any information that would allow tracking of details." Halliburton produced "unacceptable unchecked cost reports."


Refusal to Cooperate: Evaluations described Halliburton as "obstructive" with oversight officials. Despite the billions in taxpayer funds Halliburton has been paid, the company's "leadership demonstrated minimal cooperative attitude resolving problems."
 

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Ok, if you want me to back off the specific areas you highlight as an abuse at face value on the no-bid contracts, I don't have a problem with that. I do value Factcheck.org as being a mediary and calling a spade a spade most times. I'm guessing that you are addressing my point about the no-bid contracts with your post, and that is fair. Now, how about the specific story I posted which deals with Halliburton's continuing overbilling of our government, after being found out twice previously? Do you think this is fair and the company should continue to be rewarded with contracts after flagrant abuse of our taxpayer money? I will address your comment about Halliburton making it's largest increases under the Clinton administration in another post. I don't believe that those increases probably show the whole picture on what money Halliburton has made during the Clinton and Dubbya administrations, and when the company has benefitted the most and made the most money.
 

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I see the Tremoglie article you offer as proof was posted in 2004. Seems to me that Halliburton was just getting warmed up to war profiteering at that time, weren't they?

Here are some of the other article titles written on your offered-up right wing Web site from the former police officer Mr. Tremoglie, which should shed some light on his political leanings:

Recent Articles:

Alito: Victim of Leftist Racism
Published: Wednesday, January 18, 2006

A Warrantless Attack
Published: Monday, December 26, 2005

The White Rodney King
Published: Tuesday, May 17, 2005

Neo-Anti-Catholicism
Published: Wednesday, May 04, 2005

Radio Hypocrisy
Published: Tuesday, March 01, 2005

Farenheit 98.6
Published: Wednesday, February 23, 2005

Dispelling Urban Legends about Florida
Published: Monday, October 04, 2004

A Peace Group?s War Plans
Published: Monday, August 30, 2004

The Barack Obama Myth
Published: Friday, August 06, 2004

Kerry, Catholics and Capital Punishment
Published: Friday, July 23, 2004

America Tunes Out Leftist Hate Radio
Published: Thursday, April 29, 2004

MoveOn.org Spreads the Big Lie
Published: Friday, March 12, 2004

The Myth of Driving While Black
Published: Thursday, February 05, 2004

Amherst's Feminist Monologues
Published: Friday, January 30, 2004

Hate America Historian
Published: Wednesday, January 14, 2004

Busting the Myth of "Racist Killer Cops"
Published: Monday, December 22, 2003

The Radical Left's "Cyber-Grapevine"
Published: Wednesday, November 26, 2003

Leftist Hypocrites on Iraq
Published: Wednesday, October 22, 2003

Anti-American Pacifist
Published: Sunday, November 24, 2002

I have not yet read the story, which I will, but now I know what we're dealing with here. You always seem to check my sources, so I thought it fair to do the same.
 

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Now it's all coming back to me. You are using the Clinton defense, which is not surprising at all.

You are offering up that Halliburton's revenues doubled during 1998-2000. Let's see, hmm, who was CEO of Halliburton during that time...hmm, could it be DICK CHENEY? Interesting to note that the company asked to determine if it was a good idea to privatize much of military responsibilities during the Bush I era was Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg and Root in '92, when Cheney was Secretary of Defense and running the Pentagon. Not surprisingly, Kellogg and Root determined it was a GREAT idea to privatize these things, and over the next 8 years (CHENEY YEARS) they received 2,700 contracts worth billions of dollars. Two years later, Cheney leaves the Pentagon and Halliburton names him CEO. And the rest is history, financially, for that company. Moving forward, in 2000...Bush/Rove call upon Cheney to head the search team for a good VP candidate for the clan. Cheney had to look long and hard to find a good one...who showed up in his bathroom mirror. At that point...poor Dick had to sell off his stock and profits in Halliburton and donate some of that to charity - which of course certainly didn't hurt his tax return, now did it?

The CEO who replace Cheney and had to fix numerous problems in the company under Cheney has profited very handsomely in the aftermath...mainly due to the Iraq war. Here's a good article about that:

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/lesar_stock.html

An interesting tidbit from the story: Halliburton's stock price tripled since the Iraq invasion from $20 to $63.

I ask you, Wayne, is this a fight you feel is worth engaging in? Defending Dick Cheney and Halliburton? Go right ahead...you claim to have settled it, and it seems to me you are getting buried.
 

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To put things in perspective--are either of you disputing that Halibuton had more no bid contracts in Clintons admin than Bushes.

I say bids were given to them at least equally out of necessity rather than favor.

Has Halibuton abused this with pricing--again absolutely but would venture to say no more than any other company in their position would.

Haliburton is most logical target of scrutiny as their profits are contigent on disaster--ie war and natural disasters.

Now considering Halibuton being target per above--it puts company heads in spotlight equally--especially if your vice president.

If Cheney is quilty of anything it is being upper echolon of company that profits from disaster.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
To put things in perspective--are either of you disputing that Halibuton had more no bid contracts in Clintons admin than Bushes.

I say bids were given to them at least equally out of necessity rather than favor.

Has Halibuton abused this with pricing--again absolutely but would venture to say no more than any other company in their position would.

Haliburton is most logical target of scrutiny as their profits are contigent on disaster--ie war and natural disasters.

Now considering Halibuton being target per above--it puts company heads in spotlight equally--especially if your vice president.

If Cheney is quilty of anything it is being upper echolon of company that profits from disaster.

Well, I see you accept the same kind of abuses of your taxpayer money that you do your political trust as long as it is someone you support. Sorry, I expect a little more with my tax money than a company that continues to defraud our country and an administration that continues to reward it at an escalating level.

I don't know why it's so important to you which administration had more no-bid contracts - I have not researched it, so I don't really know. Clinton was in power for 8 years, Bush for 5 or so, so that's a pretty big time difference, for starters.

The only constant in this travesty is Dick Cheney has had a role in it from start to finish. There is no disputing THAT, is there?
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
To put things in perspective--are either of you disputing that Halibuton had more no bid contracts in Clintons admin than Bushes.


Has Halibuton abused this with pricing--again absolutely but would venture to say no more than any other company in their position would.

I haven't said anything about 'no bid' contracts and I don't know or care if Clinton gave them more or less contracts.

I guess in your second paragraph you are saying that you don't care that they are stealing. No problem, in your opinion. I guess *that* settles the Haliburton debate. There really isn't much more to talk about regarding this.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Some people take issue with a company stealing hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers money and some don't.

One thing is for sure, there are a lot of people getting rich on ill-gotten gains because of this war. No problem.
 

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I find it hard to understand when people support tax breaks for incredibly wealthy people at the direct expense of student loans and child support enforcement funds (among other things), and never bat an eye when an organization like this repeatedly defrauds each and every one of us. In fact, they seem to defend the right of the company to continue to do it.
 

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Chadman said:
I find it hard to understand when people support tax breaks for incredibly wealthy people at the direct expense of student loans and child support enforcement funds (among other things), and never bat an eye when an organization like this repeatedly defrauds each and every one of us. In fact, they seem to defend the right of the company to continue to do it.

Yeah, it's puzzling. The same people who support sweeping tax cuts while engaged in two wars have no problem with a company ripping off the taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. :shrug:

However, lying about a blowjob earns deep scorn forever and ever.

What's that term Gardenweasel likes to use all the time? Moral relativism?
 

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Geez Somehow we strayed from liberals whining about Haliburton/Reb connections into merits of Halibuton.

I've never argued the point of Haliburton sainthood--only the fact of Clinton supporters constently dissing this admin for something last admin was equally if not more quilty of.

---and I certainly respect someone more (cheney) for be involved in ANY successful company than I do for someone who could not earn over $35,000 in civilian life--I doubt if we see GW or Cheney scanning top 10 wanted list for deepest pockets for-- pay for pardons- opportunities.

In fact I'd say odds of either pardoning someone for cash would as great as Clinton getting invited as quest on old quiz show "To Tell the Truth" :)
 
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