Hannity I,LL Let YOU WATERBOARD ME BOY OHBOY

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would you rather your mother, father, child,wife be forced to jump out of a 70th story window?...be burned to a crisp?...

or have the cia waterboard one of these monsters?....

and if not your family,it`s o.k. if it`s some other innocent american`s family?....

i`m game...let`s see the waterboarding...lets put it on t.v... but to be fair,lets juxtapose it with someone jumping out of a wtc window....or the video of daniel pearl have his head "sawed" off......

not chopped off antiseptically...i mean sawed off slowly(as it actually happened).....hear him screaming and begging for mercy...

how`s that for fair?...


Where is the proof that the waterboarding worked?

They had to waterboard him over 100 times to get info? You have to think that they are just going to tell you whatever they think is going to get them to stop.

Waterboarding is torture and we are a country that does not torture its that simple.

You can play the fear card all you want but it does not make it right.

This is real life not an episode of 24.

Also how does this improve our view in the world?

It seems to me all this does is make us hypocrites and just creates another generation of people who hate us.
 

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I Just have to smile some times. I mean when folks dont even know what there country laws are.
But call them self law abiding and say everyone else is to do that.Then when we do what they want. They say it,s not fair that we agree follow the law. After all we only lasted as long as we have because of our laws.
 

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Tonight when your at the dinner table with your wife and children--look them in the eye and tell them point blank--

I have a confession to make--I'd rather see all of you burnt to a crisp rather than see a terrorist put through 30 seconds of discomfort and in addition I'd like to see everyone prosectuted that disagrees with me or trys to protect you.

Come back and tell us their response :)

that's just stupid
 

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As I am extremely tired and suffering greatly from allergies tonight (and the medicine I have always taken is no longer made) it's probably not the best time to respond to you, Wayne. Your using me as an example in the manner you did is honestly pretty close to what Smurph says. It's just a stupid analogy, and I try to give you a little more credit with the discourse that we usually have. You whitewash the whole scenario and make it the most ridiculous self-serving example that you possibly can, and seem pretty happy with it with a stupid smiley face to punctuate the idea. So - whatever, I guess.

I have posted on this board on more than one occasion that if someone is an actual terrorist and we can prove that they are, and that they have either killed people or it can be proven that they will, I don't have much of a problem with doing most anything to them. Including waterboarding, or whatever. Much like my support of the death penalty for convicted murderers in many cases. My post here was about the dumbass blowhard Hannity and his stupid comment. I'd love to see his big mouth filled with water to the point he thinks he may never breathe again, and see how he reacts. But, he'll never do it, I would wager. That's all I said here. But, if you want to take this as an opportunity to make some stupid ass ridiculous comment to me about allowing my family to be burned to a crisp in lieu of a real terrorist murderer, then whatever makes your smiley face come out, I guess.

I think America and what it stands for does not extend to keeping people in prison when you can't prove that they are guilty of anything - for years. I don't think America's definition of freedom really includes torture for anyone we want to try to get something out of for reasons that a select few need to come out to create support for their position. I think some people deserve much worse than they get, in many cases, and some people I don't care what happens to them. Maybe I should, but I don't. I'd like to think I have some common sense in most cases. And I don't think common sense enters into much of what we're talking about.

And it sure as hell doesn't enter into the BS dinner story you came up with. But, who cares, right? As long as you can try to make someone who many times takes a more liberal outlook than you look weak or ridiculous, then it's worth it. Next time, please leave my family out of your exercise. I can see you pulling that crap with some others here, but I'd just as soon keep things somewhat above board with you.
 

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would you rather your mother, father, child,wife be forced to jump out of a 70th story window?...be burned to a crisp?...

or have the cia waterboard one of these monsters?....

and if not your family,it`s o.k. if it`s some other innocent american`s family?....

i`m game...let`s see the waterboarding...lets put it on t.v... but to be fair,lets juxtapose it with someone jumping out of a wtc window....or the video of daniel pearl have his head "sawed" off......

not chopped off antiseptically...i mean sawed off slowly(as it actually happened).....hear him screaming and begging for mercy...

how`s that for fair?...

I would much rather the terrorist be waterboarded, but I still say Hannity is a major windbag blowhard douchebag for suggesting this. I can't stand Olberman, but I hope he sticks to this because Hannity can only look like the idiot he is.

I just want some of you on here to admit when folks like Hannity are wrong and not come up with silly scenarios to change the subject. That's probably the main reason all the left wingers here jump down your throat because you can't be balanced nor admit when something a Republican does is wrong.
 

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that's just stupid

it's not stupid, but it is sort of far-fetched. Waterboard those sobs 5,000 times if that's what it takes.

I'm not sure why this has turned into a waterboarding yea or nay thread though?? This thread is about Hannity and his idiotic commentary. Hannity is a pabulum puker douche just like most of the blowhard commentators on Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc. etc. etc. They all have agendas, and NONE of them are fair and balanced. :sadwave:
 

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I would waterboard any terrorist as many times as I had to , to get info if it saved any of our lives. I believe in getting answers and if it is my life, your life or the terrorist life...I will be damned if it is ours..... Not just waterboarding...cutting off fingers, toes, electricity plays a nice role...I would do what ever and I do mean whatever( keep the media out) to get info to save my fellow mate in our fox hole. Who wants to be in my fox hole?
 

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that's just stupid

I understand that is about the only response possible for direct common sense question you can't spin with utubes-philosophy etc.

That makes 3 direct questions in last 5 days no liberal wants to touch and not response to death of common sense thread either :)
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=364726



I informed my wife last night that I would what ever it took to protect her--she said she already knew that.

Fact of the matter is everyone else here would also--however by acknowleging it --as it would expose their PC projections for what they are--
insane.

Basically what they'd like us to believe (because of political agenda's) is 30 seconds of discomfort from coerced interrogations are not worth it if it prevented any of the below--

The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.
? December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
? May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced "dirty bomb" to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.
? September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.
? May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.
? June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.
<!-- QUIGO --><!-- QUIGO --> August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).
? August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.
? August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.
? June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.
? August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.
? December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
? February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.
? April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.
? June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.
? July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.
? August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.
? March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Mohammedalso plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.
? May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.
? June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men are accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries that run through residential neighborhoods at JFK Airport in New York.
? September 2007, German authorities disrupt a terrorist cell that was planning attacks on military installations and facilities used by Americans in Germany. The Germans arrested three suspected members of the Islamic Jihad Union, a group that has links to Al Qaeda and supports Al Qaeda's global jihadist agenda.
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I answered your post in one of those other threads, and possibly two of them, and I submit my responses make as much sense as your conservatively constructed scenario questions - so I guess you aren't requiring an answer from me as one of the liberals around here. I see you posted after my retort about my burnt-crisp family disgust and didn't address it, so I guess that also tells me something.

I'd be curious, though - since you use the list you posted as a sort of legitimacy test for torturing people. And of course, we are supposed to just believe the Bush administration - and you - that all of these supposed plots are true or actually would have occured. I submit, using common sense as a theme, that if there were actually so many terror plots coming from so many different people in so many places and none of them actually happened it would make me a little suspicious of the list. Common sense would tell me that the Bush administration would easily make up things or use inaccurate information taken from tortured "confessions" to further their cause. We've seen how this happened with Iraq, and we've seen that truth isn't always the test for action - especially with American and other lives on the line. How many of those supposed plots can be proven to have been brought to life by using coerced interrogations or torture, let alone be true in the first place.

I know some here have chosen to believe whatever they can dig up about the previous administration, especially if it can forward their political case or cause. Or maybe, they have more common sense than that, and chose to put that on the back burner when trying to make an argument. Common sense can be looked at in many ways - and once again, apparently you as a staunch conservative thinks that only conservatives have common sense, merely because they have their own opinion about what is "right." Hey, nothing new there... thinking you are right and there's only one way to look at things to be "right." Telling yourself you are using common sense and others aren't can be very comforting, I know. Common sense would tell me that maybe both sides of an argument can contain some levels of common sense, but maybe that's just another one of those smiley-face opportunities missed for me...
 

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I love this clip of O'Reilly trying to get a couple military experts to agree with him on waterboarding.
The frustration on O'Reilly's face is priceless! :142smilie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OvE988bfN4

Bill Oh is the Smartest man in the room :mj07: :142smilie

He looks like a 5 year old who's parent's told him it's time to leave Chuck E Cheese, and he went and hid in the Ball Pit :scared

What a DICK Bill is, to argue with a Snake Eater who has been in the shit, and has probably done some sort of "enhanced interrogation" in the field, away from the spooks and cake eaters. But, Bill has honorary Master Jump Wings, Combat Tabs, Sapper Tab, Special Forces Tabs, he has it all because Bill read a book. :mj07: I am so sick of that turd and others like him
 

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Does anyone think any thing would get some hard ass that wants you dead. And himself dead with a place waiting for him in his heavan. You get zero. Or at best sent on wild chase to no where.
But this is about breaking our laws. If they were broken REB always say guilty as charge. Funny how REB want to give a pass. But yet you say you want smaller government. What was this but big GOV braking laws that are there to protect us.
 

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. . . further PC insanity . . .


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/torture-its-perfectly-leg_b_191336.html

" . . .only a "quick" and "painless" way to disorient a subject like an open-fingered face slap. It leaves no lasting physical or psychological effects . . . Although Sean Hannity is free to volunteer to be waterboarded in an effort to trivialize its status as "torture," American servicemen faced court martial for waterboarding Filipinos and Vietnamese, and Japanese soldiers were executed for doing it to Americans, and sheriffs faced criminal prosecution for doing it. And American interrogators waterboarded the "high value" terrorist suspect Khalid Sheik Muhammed (KSM) 183 times in one month, averaging about six times a day, and Abu Zubaydah got waterboarded a total of eighty-three times. We've heard little public discussion about the effects of these techniques being used together or in tandem along with eleven days of sleep deprivation . . . But it is precisely in times of crisis and turmoil when we need most to stand firm behind our values and honor our laws and customs. Bush said the terrorists attacked us because "they hate our freedom" and then he turned around . . . undermined all the efforts of torture victims and human rights activists all over the world. In fact, the Bush Administration put the lives at risk of anyone who is fighting authoritarian regimes in the name of human rights. Former authoritarian government officials who might now be in custody awaiting trial for committing torture can use the U.S. example as they fashion their defense: "The End Justifies the Means." And all the thugs and murderers and torturers around the globe can now point to the United States and say: "We too are torturing for our national security; we too got 'actionable' intelligence from our enemies; we too have the best of intentions; we too are operating in a state of emergency." All of the torturers from the world's worst, most brutal regimes can now rise up and proclaim their solidarity with the United States: "We Are All Americans Now!"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-talkin-torture-blues_b_191052.html

"You know, if it were up to me," he said after a few minutes of silence, "I'd stick a red-hot branding iron on their ass until they talked. Let 'em suffer."

"It's probably a good thing it's not up to you then, I suppose."



GL
 

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I am wondering why DTB stops at waterboarding. Why not burning of genitals, cutting off or crushing body parts? Where does it stop? Just a question. Does anything go with these prisoners at Gitmo or wherever? Having never been waterboarded I can think of much worse things to do.
 

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Enhanced Interrogation techniques are going to turn into a Monty Python Parody soon enough. "Go sit in a corner Mr Bad Guy"

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THE MAKE THEM LISTEN TO JOHN MAYER AND AMY WHINEHOUSE ! THEY WILL BREAK
 

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The whole discussion is complete nonsense. Does anyone really believe that at our various CIA 'Black Site' prisons waterboarding is the worst of it? You really would have to be dysfunctional stupid to believe that. Gardenweasel has stated on this forum that US government waterboarded 2 (his words were "exactly 2") people and that was the extent of US torture. We obviously torture people. The first question is about efficacy. If it really is effective, then we should examine the morality, open and honestly. But all experts with real experience in the matter say that it is not effective. The subject will just say whatever he has to to stop being tortured.

The sad part is that this is being used as a wedge issue for the mentally weak. The Hannity/Lush dipshits are being sucked into the "you would rather have your whole family burned then waterboard a known terrorist" idiotic rhetoric. But the "Indonesian President" pea brains lap it up. It appeals to the "what would you do if someone raped your sister" mentality. Thank the baby Jesus that GW Jr. kept us safe.
 
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