You Crooked Bastids wouldn't do the Right Thing if it Hit You in the Face!!! :0074
I don't know what I think of Walker.. I know I have a bunch of people pist at him.. I see Wisconsin lost another 10000 jobs. He gave all these tax breaks to create jobs and it isn't working thus far. Looks like the Kochs and the like are just going to keep that money in their pockets.
Walker is going to get his birthday present this winter in the recall election - a size 12 hobnail boot up his ass.
I thought awhile back Maggot was touting all the success Walkers slicing of union benefits to give to the corporations, would become a big boom to Wisky and their job front :shrug:
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BUT we have a balanced budget. AND we didn't have to raise taxes by 50% to do so like Illinois did.
He came into a difficult situation and was a hero.
It is too bad our president couldnt' make the tough choices when he came into a tough situation, and do the same.
Instead our idiot president, instead of fixing the budget deficit - he did the opposite - HE SPENT MORE!
Obama the dolt. :mj07:
Walker the Hero :toast:
Nice spin as usual, Mags, but of course, most citizens of Wisconsin know what REALLY happened.
The Koch Brothers pumped $5 million through the Republican Governors Association into the Scott Walker campaign. Scott Walker then took office and immediately began carrying out the agenda of the corporate interests he represents. First order of business: 4 bills cutting taxes for businesses. Result: Gov. Doyle's projected budget surplus turned into a $144 Million budget deficit. Then, after creating a budget deficit in an attempt to gain leverage and public support for his 2nd order of business, Scott Walker announces "We're broke!" and claims the state's only option is to cut benefits for all public employees and strip them of the collective bargaining rights they've had for 50 years."
TILT - Game Over.
Next order of business: Recall Election
OK, Trench, prove to me that their was not a budget deficit the day Walker walked into the Governor's mansion.
Doyle balanced the budget through budgetary tricks, like selling off the tobacco settelement for a one time payment used to balance the budget (even though it was to be used to offset health care costs for many years).
So, show me that, the day Walker walked in, there was a surplus and the budget for the upcoming 2 year period showed a surplus. That tax increases would not have been needed to balance the budget.
I'm pretty sure you won't be able to.
FYI - I'm hoping the Dems have a recall election (even though Obama asked them not to pursue it).
Why? We already have the budget balanced and the union laws changed. There is no way to change it back - the Repubs have too much of an edge in the Assembly for the Dems to change anything.
But if the Dems/Unions throw away another $30M trying to recall Walker (and from what I understand, it would be a close vote at best for the Dems), it is much less money to defend Obama.
Although I think Obama will be toast in WI in 2012. He doesn't need WI to win, but every state the Repub can get, the better!
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I wished Obama would of had a stronger back bone. I think the republicans would of been spending had they gained office but of coarse cause they are not elected say they would not have. Obama walked into a terrible situation and you are right, he hasn't made the changes necessary. I find it hard to believe that some people are happy about the budget being balanced by taking away from the middle class. Just like the repubs of Minnesota, fighting for the top 2% to have an unbalanced budget.
Few are calling Walker a hero for balancing a budget but I still think he is a snake in the grass for giving those lobbyist big tax breaks.. None of these big businesses are creating jobs.
I just want to see at what price down the road we will suffer from Mr. Walker.
Mags, this isn't rocket science, but I'll explain it to you one more time.
There were projected budget shortfalls in 45 of the 50 states. The problem with you right wingers is your misdirected outrage. You insist on using middle-class public employees and school teachers as scapegoats for budget shortfalls and refuse to recognize the real cause -- 4 years of recession, high unemployment, the housing market crash and the resulting loss of tax revenue.
So keep demonizing your fellow middle-class Americans on Main Street for the fallout of a financial meltdown created by Wall Street greed and Washington incompetence. That's what the banksters and politicians want you to do. :0074
Trench.. it is really all about putting public employees and private ones on the same playing field.
Public insurance and benefits had gotten so out of whak with what the real world was getting.. it had to be adjusted.
That's really all that needs to be said. People that work hard for a living (the 90%'ers that weren't public union) should not be paying public employees benefits that were much, much better than what they were getting.
It was an issue of fairness. Plain and simple. It was an adjustment that was a long time in coming, and if the Dems wouldn't have been giving the unions outrageous benefits and salaries over the years it wouldn't have needed such drastic action.
Thank you Dems and Jim Doyle for putting the state in such a terrible situation. Yes, it sucks for the folks affected - but they had a better deal than private employees for the last 10-15 years, so at least they have that to look at (which more than makes up for it)
Now I'm confused, Mags. :mj03:
First you said it's about budget deficits.
Now you're saying it's about fairness.
Well, which one is it? :shrug:
Would you pick an excuse for demonizing public employees and stick with it?
Fair enough, as you confused me also.
Your first point is that the budget crisis was manufactored by Walker - that he walked into a surplus left over from Diamond Jim Doyle.
Then I challenged you on it and you respond "Well, 40 or 45 states had projected budget deficits"....
OK, which is it? Was their a budget deficit, as has been widely and consistently reported everyone (but not believed by you, obviously), or do you you agree (as your 2nd email states)?
AND - WALKER BALANCED THE BUDGET! HE IS AN AMERICAN HERO! :toast: WITH NO TAX INCREASES (unlike the idiots in IL, who raised theirs 50%)
My statements were consistent. Wisconsin was one of 45 states with "projected" budget deficits for the 2011-2013 budget cycle because of the loss of tax revenue as a result of the recession. Walker only exacerbated the problem with $144 Million in tax cuts for businesses, then getting on his soapbox and claiming "We're broke".
All year long, you've been vilifying public employees as if they're responsible for the budget deficits. You can :142crying "it's not fair" or "the playing field's not level" all you want, but that's just plain childish.
I'll let Ezra Klein at the Washington Post explain it to you, Mags (not that I expect you to change your mantra... how could you after spending most of the past year demonizing public employees?)...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/unions_arent_to_blame_for_wisc.html
Trench:
You are not close to being consistent. Here is what you said:
First order of business: 4 bills cutting taxes for businesses. Result: Gov. Doyle's projected budget surplus turned into a $144 Million budget deficit. Then, after creating a budget deficit in an attempt to gain leverage and public support for his 2nd order of business, Scott Walker announces "We're broke
CLEARLY, you were saying that there was a budget surplus when Walker became Governor, and Walker orchestrated the deficit.
Which we both know is a lie, as you already admitted. Sorry, Trench, I respect your opinion, but you were clearly lying here.....
Sorry, pal, but you got caught here with your hand in the cookie jar. More liberal slanting...
I still don't see the issue - WI has a balanced budget, and we have public sector benefit costs a bit more closer in line with the 90% of the folks that pay for these outrageous benefits (and are not public workers).
Given that you are all about collectivism, this should be a good thing - it benefits the majority, not the special interests, aka public unions.
AND, the most important point - the public union workers STILL have better benefits at a lower costs to them than the majority of working folk.
So, you've been exposed on this issue, clearly, but still can't see what you could be complaining about. Public workers still have the best deal going. I guess that are complaining cuz its not as good as the gravy train they had been on......
