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[smurphy]

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Thanks for the same old dragging out of numbers, DTB. I don't think you realize how much that stat actually flies in the face of your arguments. It's an indication of the widening gap between rich and poor more than anything else.

That gap and your stat have been reaching highest peaks under GOP Prez and GOP Congress. Will you please explain how that happened?? You had it all lined up to turn a favorable direction and it only got worse. Could it possibly be that you are completely misreading the reasons for those Support/Non-support percentages? Yeah, I think that's the case.

I've been waiting for a couple years now for you to explain how someone making $15,000 - $20,000 a year fulltime is supposed to pay taxes. Give me a reasonable explanation....any at all.....

 

[smurphy]

Can understand Bryanz life not getting any better--but surprises me that you have such a negative outlook Smurph:shrug:

I don't have a negative outlook. I have criticism of this ridiculous administration. The new congress has done some good things and the new president probably will too.

I'M NOT THE ONE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING THE COUNTRY!

 

[Cie]

The "choosing" not to make it, or succeed, if you will, really is not a blanket discussion, I don't think. To say that everyone starts out in life with the same opportunities and ability to improve themselves just is not true.

To what extent they try to get past their problems and excel is more of a personal thing and can be measured somewhat, although those scenarios rarely continue to be even for all.

Some start out with a better shot, period. Some "succeed" or choose to succeed simply because it is easier for them than others, and they don't have to do as much or try as hard. Are these people any more of value than others? Hardly. And even less so in many situations.

Very few absolutes in life, no matter how one tries to paint it.

To me success is being able to pay my own way.

 

[smurphy]

To me success is being able to pay my own way.

Did you start with nothing?

 

[AR182]

To me success is being able to pay my own way.

i agree....no matter how many jobs it takes to get it done....

 

[smurphy]

Well, guess who HAS NOT been "paying their own way"? The Bush administration. Guess who DID pay their own way? The financially conservative Clinton administration.

 

[Cie]

Are you saying that simply returning this tax to the Bill Clinton days of balanced budgets would hurt you? Seriously?

What about the combination of these:

Tax rates will rise substantially in each tax bracket

Married taxpayers will see the marriage penalty return

Taxpayers with children will lose 50 percent of their child tax credits

Taxes on dividends will increase beginning on January 1, 2009

Taxes on capital gains will increase, also beginning on January 1, 2009

Federal death taxes will come back to life in 2011, after fading down to nothing in 2010

Low-income taxpayers will see the 10-percent tax bracket disappear

 

[Cie]

Did you start with nothing?

How could I start with nothing? An education is something. The support of one's family/friends is something. I started with plenty.

 

[smurphy]

What about the combination of these:

Tax rates will rise substantially in each tax bracket

Married taxpayers will see the marriage penalty return

Taxpayers with children will lose 50 percent of their child tax credits

Taxes on dividends will increase beginning on January 1, 2009

Taxes on capital gains will increase, also beginning on January 1, 2009

Federal death taxes will come back to life in 2011, after fading down to nothing in 2010

Low-income taxpayers will see the 10-percent tax bracket disappear

The "DEATH TAX" is a joke. If you actually are affected by this then you are a multi-millionaire several times over. Please don't fall for the neocon arguments on this one. It's a tax that's been in place for basically the entire 20th century with the specific purpose of not allowing absurd "old money" hoarding of wealth. It keeps opportunities fresh and has been very good for the country and it's balance sheet.

Taxes would end up absolutley no higher in any way than they were with Clinton. ...How did the Clinton years treat you?

Do you understand the concept and need of having a balanced budget? Don't you realize that we essentially borrow from the future to finance the present when we run these ridiculous Bush-level deficits?

Look, I know we need to clean up the waste. But we need to approach all this reasonably. The tax cuts may have been good for a quick injection into the economy, but they are detrimental to our financial outlook in the long run.

 

[bryanz]

My My --we have a few here that aren't too happy

Can understand Bryanz life not getting any better--but surprises me that you have such a negative outlook Smurph:shrug:

other than disagreeing with war--can't see where you would be upset with past 8 years.

- tort reform--not a big hit with edward I'm sure

As far as my getting desperate--while I have preferences in 08--the outcome does not matter a whole lot--fortunately I am at stage in life not much will effect me either way--I as my parents and theirs was fortunate to grow up in the 80/20 period--it is those in your age group Smurph that will face the unfortunate inevitable down the road--it will be you footing the bill not only for the deadbeats--but the babyboomers with their nests eggs sheltered from the taxman--leaving --guess who to pay the taxes the soon to be 60-40 ratio
of tax payers--and with gov whose base and objective to please is the 40%.

In fact I would somewhat relish the thought of Dems winning in 08--would be nice to kick back and blame every disaster-natural or otherwise on the otherside--but will save the smileys for when they start pecking you with the taxes--as I'd expect you and Chad to be in the minority of the dem base that actually pay taxes.

Be careful what you wish for my friend.

I like the way you come up with stuff from nothing, where did I say my life was not getting any better ? Where did I say American life was not getting any better ? If you could not only read but comprehend you would have read what I said about the American people, not the American government.

 

[bryanz]

My My --we have a few here that aren't too happy

Can understand Bryanz life not getting any better--but surprises me that you have such a negative outlook Smurph:shrug:

other than disagreeing with war--can't see where you would be upset with past 8 years.

- tort reform--not a big hit with edward I'm sure

As far as my getting desperate--while I have preferences in 08--the outcome does not matter a whole lot--fortunately I am at stage in life not much will effect me either way--I as my parents and theirs was fortunate to grow up in the 80/20 period--it is those in your age group Smurph that will face the unfortunate inevitable down the road--it will be you footing the bill not only for the deadbeats--but the babyboomers with their nests eggs sheltered from the taxman--leaving --guess who to pay the taxes the soon to be 60-40 ratio
of tax payers--and with gov whose base and objective to please is the 40%.

In fact I would somewhat relish the thought of Dems winning in 08--would be nice to kick back and blame every disaster-natural or otherwise on the otherside--but will save the smileys for when they start pecking you with the taxes--as I'd expect you and Chad to be in the minority of the dem base that actually pay taxes.

Be careful what you wish for my friend.

CAN YOU READ ? DID YOU READ POST # 9 ?????/ YOU ****ING IDIOT !:com:

 

[smurphy]

How could I start with nothing? An education is something. The support of one's family/friends is something. I started with plenty.

Many people don't have these things.

 

[bryanz]

My My --we have a few here that aren't too happy

Can understand Bryanz life not getting any better--but surprises me that you have such a negative outlook Smurph:shrug:

other than disagreeing with war--can't see where you would be upset with past 8 years.

- tort reform--not a big hit with edward I'm sure

As far as my getting desperate--while I have preferences in 08--the outcome does not matter a whole lot--fortunately I am at stage in life not much will effect me either way--I as my parents and theirs was fortunate to grow up in the 80/20 period--it is those in your age group Smurph that will face the unfortunate inevitable down the road--it will be you footing the bill not only for the deadbeats--but the babyboomers with their nests eggs sheltered from the taxman--leaving --guess who to pay the taxes the soon to be 60-40 ratio
of tax payers--and with gov whose base and objective to please is the 40%.

In fact I would somewhat relish the thought of Dems winning in 08--would be nice to kick back and blame every disaster-natural or otherwise on the otherside--but will save the smileys for when they start pecking you with the taxes--as I'd expect you and Chad to be in the minority of the dem base that actually pay taxes.

Be careful what you wish for my friend.

Every time I read your post, 1 question comes to mind, is he smarter than a 5th grader ? Is it just me ?

 

[smurphy]

i agree....no matter how many jobs it takes to get it done....

You have a lot in common with illegal aliens.

 

[bryanz]

It's not just the war ! I know you can't blame everything on the last watch but, if the people in the poll were talking about being happy with politics. Whats up with the infrastructure, education, water, price of gas, Iraq, the dollar, street crime, food, toys, health care,and patriotism. The only patriots I see are, our fighting force. Where is the American first in the private sector when we are at war. Our Soldiers can sacrifice, put in a honest days work but corporate Americana can't. Like I said before, make all the money you want but give the people what they pay for.

how do you disagree with this, you ****ing idiot ??:com:

 

[The Sponge]

Every time I read your post, 1 question comes to mind, is he smarter than a 5th grader ? Is it just me ?

Stop insulting fifth graders okay!!!

 

[smurphy]

AR, now's your opportinuity to "pile on"! Say that thing you admitted to a while ago about DTB being too obsessed with Bill Clinton.

 

[bryanz]

AR, now's your opportinuity to "pile on"! Say that thing you admitted to a while ago about DTB being too obsessed with Bill Clinton.

DTB , will never get over the fact that monica got to him first.

 

[AR182]

AR, now's your opportinuity to "pile on"! Say that thing you admitted to a while ago about DTB being too obsessed with Bill Clinton.

what about the others obsession with bush & fox news....should i mention something to them also..

no instead i think i'll just bow out of this forum & concentrate on football instead...

 

[smurphy]

what about the others obsession with bush & fox news....should i mention something to them also..

no instead i think i'll just bow out of this forum & concentrate on football instead...

The difference there is that Bush and Fox are happening NOW. They are tied directly into current events. If someone kept bringing up something Bush did as Texas governor then you might have a relevant comparison.

Yes, you should focus on football. Why did you come over here in the first place?:shrug: