hardest/easiest sports to handicap and why

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What I've found...

Have been betting about a decade. Find totals easier than sides. Find NFL and college football fairly easy to pick, and college basketball second half totals easiest of all. Can't pick baseball or NBA regular season to save my life.

Just wondering whether others find it this way, or have different experience.
 

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any non team sport where they are paid on peformance per event not contract ie boxing-golf-tennis--fewer intangibles and in golf you even take out bad calls by officials.
 

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Have done some tennis betting, and had good success with betting under in games. I'm sure golf offers some very good opportunities to those who know what's up, but I don't.

Must say I don't find tennis sides that easy. Also, the splits tend to be awful.
 

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They are all relatively easy in my opinion. Just don't bet 100 games a week, thats when you start to go broke.
 

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college football is the most fun and most profitable. NFL is the hardest. Only bet NBA or baseball when I can watch the game.
 

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NFL is the easiest because there are more stupid people betting it than any other sport. As long as you can go against the ESPN flow, you can make money betting pro football. That's not easy to do for most, or we wouldn't have guys on here saying their bookies were taking fifty on one side and one on the other. Another thing that makes NFL easier is that many of the games are, to put it politely, engineered.
 

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college football is the most fun and most profitable. NFL is the hardest. Only bet NBA or baseball when I can watch the game.

The NFL is only hard if you treat the games as football contests. They are only partly about football. They are also engineered entertainment spectacles with political ramifications.

The Atlanta game at New Orleans after Katrina was a perfect example. As was the Pats' Super Bowl win over the Rams in 2001. Nothing in this country involving mass politics or mass sports is played straight.
 

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Good Q.
Interesting responses.

I've been doing off-shore since the start of the 2001. Had been betting sports for about another 10 years before that. I stick to what I know best--the team sports--and, needless to say, I 'cap under the premise that the games are legit.

I find baseball the easiest to 'cap as I know that sport best; been following it daily since about 1982 and except for a couple of years where I was more out-of-touch, I've been following it daily ever since. I've developed a good system that made me some coin this year and I'm fantasizing about writing a book on the subject; it would cover other aspects of sports gambling but baseball would be the primary focus as I believe that's where the best opportunity lies...2,430 games scheduled, not including playoffs, is a hell of a lot of opportunity.

NFL football comes second. By this time of the season we've got a pretty good read on who can do what, so I expect to finish strong with just a few breaks along the way. I used to use a pretty good system for the NFL but haven't for a few years now and I might not bother the way things have been going for me. Not the biggest fan of the NFL--e.g. I support no specific team--and I think that has helped me to stay unbiased.

The NHL, NCAA football and basketball, and (a distant last) the NBA pull up the rear for me. I know the NHL best out of those, but have always found the pucks difficult to 'cap; the dominant teams are generally priced sky high and you really have to look for key spots to take a shot with the lesser clubs. I can usually survive the NCAA but this year's football has cost me a bit. I'm pathetic in the NBA but, again, I support no team so at least I'm less biased than some; usually looking to take points there unless some decent back-to-back games/3 games in 4 nights type of scenario comes up. I might do some NBA posting this season just to keep track of how I'm doing there.

Racing, golf, tennis, boxing, etc. I have no clue and really don't find those events very entertaining so I'll stick with the team sports.

Curious to see others replies.


I miss baseball.
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EXTRAPOLATER....nice write up :SIB



as for me....easiest (hate the term "easy") is tennis.



as for the hardest.....every sport on the planet :mj07:
 

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Ah, come on. It's not that hard. The hardest thing is not getting the side right, it's not betting too many games, and in the wrong amounts.
 

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Good Q.
Interesting responses.

The NHL, NCAA football and basketball, and (a distant last) the NBA pull up the rear for me. I know the NHL best out of those, but have always found the pucks difficult to 'cap; the dominant teams are generally priced sky high and you really have to look for key spots to take a shot with the lesser clubs. I can usually survive the NCAA but this year's football has cost me a bit. I'm pathetic in the NBA but, again, I support no team so at least I'm less biased than some; usually looking to take points there unless some decent back-to-back games/3 games in 4 nights type of scenario comes up. I might do some NBA posting this season just to keep track of how I'm doing there.

Racing, golf, tennis, boxing, etc. I have no clue and really don't find those events very entertaining so I'll stick with the team sports.

Curious to see others replies.


I miss baseball.
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Hey, Ex, you ought to write a book. I've enjoyed your writeups and I'm sure others would. You can sell it online and through that Gambler's Book Shop in Vegas. There's not much good literature out there, at least that I've seen. Most of it is simply collections of trends and stats.

I do best picking where games will DIFFER from trends and stats, due to emotional, weather or political factors. I think that's why I can get much better reads on football than baseball games. For guys like you who take the technical approach, perhaps baseball is easier.

I suspect NBA is beatable since the reffing is not on the up and up, and politics plays a big role, but I hate the NBA, everything about it, second only to BleedDodgerBlue's loathing.
 

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I've been doing off-shore since the start of the 2001. Had been betting sports for about another 10 years before that. I stick to what I know best--the team sports--and, needless to say, I 'cap under the premise that the games are legit.

Baseball is much harder to rig than football and basketball, where a couple calls can completely change the game. All you need to do to intimidate a basketball team, or guarantee and over, is call the game close for a couple minutes. Baseball, boring as it is, will probably always be around because it is inherently less susceptible to rigging than basketball and football.

It's not that every game is rigged. Or even most. It's more that there are many games in which you can predict going in that the refs will favor a certain side.
 

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factoring in officiating

factoring in officiating

I certainly don't want to get this theme started up in this thread, but I'd like to comment on refs/umps/etc influencing the outcome.

I can accept that these guys DO, in fact, influence the results; I'm just not sure whether it is enough so that I should include it in the handicapping of a contest.

A few umps are going to call pitches a little better for the home side. That one makes sense. I haven't really been paying attention to home won/loss as far as an umpire is concerned but I may take a look at the stats during the offseason to see if this SHOULD be taken into account for next season. So far, I really only use ump info when looking at totals.

Refs in the NBA and NHL, I'm guessing without looking at any numbers, probably influence the outcome more than in a baseball game. I think that, in general, home teams will get a few favorable calls. Fouls and penalties are the obvious spots where any home edge might come. I'm not sure how else they might have an impact. I'd like to look further into this angle but I'm not sure that we can even get ref information before the start of a game, unlike in baseball where we get umpire information for any game but a series opener. I'm also not sure just how available stats such as home won/loss vs ref are; I personally know of no site that has such available. Maybe someone else can clue me in.

In football I guess I should expect the same to hold true. Penalties, again, look to be the only way that the zebras can really affect a game. I don't consider such while 'capping as I will give credit to the home team for any contest and I figure that such a home edge will include this factor. Again, I don't think that info on the refs is available before gametimes, and I don't know of any site that gives stats on these refs. Bad calls can certainly affect the outcome and they generally may be more against the road teams, but a recent example in the CFL went totally against this expectation:


Following a furious Roughriders comeback to tie the game, 29-29, with just 1:30 remaining in regulation, Edmonton drove inside the Saskatchewan 45-yard line to set up a potential game-winning field goal from Sean Fleming. Fleming was true on the kick, but Eskimos end Mike Maurer was whistled for a questionable holding call on the play, forcing Edmonton out of field goal range and the game into overtime.


That holding call was EXTREMELY questionable, to both my eyes, to the commentators, and to the analysts that talked about the game afterword. This call cost Edmonton a shot at the playoffs--basically ending their season. The call was total garbage but I can't fathom that the refs were anxiously waiting to penalize the home side at a crucial moment; I think that this was just a case of a bad call being a bad call.

I've seen a lot of questionable flags during football games, but I don't know how much can be read into them. If anything, the home side will likely get breaks on a call or two, but that should just be part and parcel of any home-field edge that you determine for the contest.

Hope the contributions are okey.
'Capping, in general, is a subject that interests me greatly.
 
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Baseball, boring as it is, will probably always be around because it is inherently less susceptible to rigging than basketball and football.

Not disagreeing with your broader points per se....

But ,the MLB has a few notable incidents of rigging in it's history.

And while it isn't something we are betting on, the entire Taiwanese baseball league collapsed for a few years in the late 90's due to fixed games.
 

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Good points.

No doubt any game can be rigged. I don't think that many are, I just think a lot of games in NFL and NBA are subtly adjusted in ways that the league thinks will help marketing.
 

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The books will give you a hint--look at their juice and limits on diff sports.

Was an article about a year ago that IE put up from a sportsbook on subject--but I can't locate it.
Was in sportsbook section.
 

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Agree with Dogs that Bark that the individual sports are the best, my problem is the sports I know well don't warrant themselves to a lot of action. Summer Olympics are usually a solid money maker, but since they only come around once every 4 years it's not a steady cash flow. The plus of that is you know any great athlete who has trained four straight years for one competition will perform in under the spotlight. The downside is often they great ones carry very heavy juice, but if you can pick your spots right it's profitable as upsets are few and far between.

As far as mainstream stuff I prefer college football, mostly because I know I'm going to get a honest effort everytime they step on the field. Even with the big spread games, when the 4th stringers are in, those kids are killing themselves to make a play because it's the only time they get on the field. Not a lot of garbage time like you may see in the pros.
 

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The books will give you a hint--look at their juice and limits on diff sports.

Was an article about a year ago that IE put up from a sportsbook on subject--but I can't locate it.
Was in sportsbook section.




The needs of aspiring sharp players are very different. Joe Public wants action and hopes to win, whereas most sharps could care less about the action and bet to ?beat the man? ? some for money, others for the excitement of outsmarting the bookmaker. The above strategy won?t work for someone trying to win long-term, although it will keep you out of trouble.

If you?re an aspiring sharp, you already know what your bankroll is (the amount you are prepared to lose before you would quit betting). The next question to ask is how much should you risk per play? The answer is: it depends.

The number one mistake gamblers make is overestimating their advantage. Conventional wisdom suggests never risking more than 1-3% of your bankroll on a single play. This is good advice if you are betting the NFL/NBA/MLB for example. The information out there and the volume of betting make these markets deadly accurate (unless you are playing into opening numbers early).

Instead of firing bombs on these sports, a mid-sized player (with a bankroll from $1,000-$50,000) would be better off price-shopping and promotion hustling than handicapping these giants. If you hit the bonuses, free half-points and stale numbers, you can almost guarantee a year-end profit without picking a single game.

Another mistake bettors make is being timid when hitting small markets. Whereas 1-3% risked might be a good rule for pro sports, the rule for props and niche markets should be ?How much will they take?? If you analyze in depth a prop or obscure market and think you have a 10% edge, there?s a good chance you probably do.

Similarly, college sports and areas with no large following provide great opportunities as long as you become an expert in that particular area. If you?re an expert on Portugal Liga TMN basketball or a Winter sports specialist with a strong opinion on Saturday?s Men?s 1000m final in short track skating at the Olympics , your estimates of high advantages could be correct and justify 5% or higher plays.


Knowing what percent of bets a sharp wins will not tell you much ? a player could easily win 55% of the time in baseball and still be a long-term loser. Alternatively, they could win 15% of the time and be a winner depending on the odds and the prices they play.

When we evaluate players and handicappers we look at two things: their win/loss record and whether they consistently get the best of the number (the market moves agree with their selections). A handicapper who is 55-45 on the year, but is always on the right side of line moves is far more dangerous than a capper at 15-5 with no market agreement.

Despite what many handicappers claim, on major league sports no one person ever consistently holds more than 5-6% long-term, although syndicates can do slightly better than this. Only a small fraction of players are sharp and even they do not win every year. Outside the major pro sports, some of our best players hold 15%.

As to playing high volume or being very selective, different players use different approaches. The full-time professionals tend to be volume players, whereas the ?weekend warrior? sharps with normal 40-hour jobs are more selective.
 
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