You want to watch how guys keep power? Watch this documentary tonight abiout these voting machines we will be voting with. Watch what the owner said in 2004 to the Bush clan about Ohio.
HBO 9pm Hacking Democracy
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Thursday, October 26, 2006
Missouri ACORN Voter Fraud Scandal Makes the National News
Here's the latest on the Missouri ACORN/democratic voter fraud scandal...
""Kansas City officials say this is the most irresponsible and extensive voter registration abuse in Missouri in the twenty five years they have been on the job with the Kansas City Board of Elections.
That's saying a lot considering there were 16 convictions of election crimes since 2004 in the St. Louis area alone!
ACORN says it may be just honest mistakes that were made.(lol)
Already the Republican Party of Missouri has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission against ACORN due to this video posted at PubDef blog in St. Louis. The video shows ACORN employees who claim that they were told by ACORN to solicit votes for Democratic Senatorial Candidate Claire McCaskill. The McCaskill Campaign claims it has nothing to do with ACORN or its registration drive.
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ST. LOUIS, Oct. 25 (UPI) -- Hundreds of bogus address changes have surfaced near St. Louis and the election board is warning voters to make sure they get a polling-place notification card.
If the card does not show up, a voter's address may have been fraudulently changed, the county elections director said.
The bogus address changes are among fraudulent voter-registration cards turning up in St. Louis County within the past couple of months, The St. Louis Post Dispatch reported.
The bogus registrations included at least one dead person, officials said.
Most of the suspicious registrations and address changes were submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, election officials said.
Recently, theWall Street Journal had a column on the Missouri Supreme Court overthrowing a requirement for photo ID at the polling stations. ""
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/mccaskills-acorn-friends-submit-1492.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/mccaskill-campaign-implicated-in-acorn_18.html
thanks for the opening,spongy...you have to learn to snap that jab,bud...you can`t leave it hanging out there......
you`re a peach...
Missouri ACORN Voter Fraud Scandal Makes the National News
Here's the latest on the Missouri ACORN/democratic voter fraud scandal...
""Kansas City officials say this is the most irresponsible and extensive voter registration abuse in Missouri in the twenty five years they have been on the job with the Kansas City Board of Elections.
That's saying a lot considering there were 16 convictions of election crimes since 2004 in the St. Louis area alone!
ACORN says it may be just honest mistakes that were made.(lol)
Already the Republican Party of Missouri has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission against ACORN due to this video posted at PubDef blog in St. Louis. The video shows ACORN employees who claim that they were told by ACORN to solicit votes for Democratic Senatorial Candidate Claire McCaskill. The McCaskill Campaign claims it has nothing to do with ACORN or its registration drive.
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ST. LOUIS, Oct. 25 (UPI) -- Hundreds of bogus address changes have surfaced near St. Louis and the election board is warning voters to make sure they get a polling-place notification card.
If the card does not show up, a voter's address may have been fraudulently changed, the county elections director said.
The bogus address changes are among fraudulent voter-registration cards turning up in St. Louis County within the past couple of months, The St. Louis Post Dispatch reported.
The bogus registrations included at least one dead person, officials said.
Most of the suspicious registrations and address changes were submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, election officials said.
Recently, theWall Street Journal had a column on the Missouri Supreme Court overthrowing a requirement for photo ID at the polling stations. ""
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/mccaskills-acorn-friends-submit-1492.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/mccaskill-campaign-implicated-in-acorn_18.html
thanks for the opening,spongy...you have to learn to snap that jab,bud...you can`t leave it hanging out there......
you`re a peach...
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weasal just watch the show with an open mind. I don't approve of fraud no matter what side it is. Is it possible you can do this with an open mind if not what can i do.
I heard the Bush clan had these "mystery voting machines" drummed up and created in the same room they used to fake the picture of Neil Armstrong standing on the moon.
Thanks for the info Sponge. Rarely on the same side as you politcally, but voting machines really freak me out.
I DON'T think it is a conspiracy theory on the same level of "we didn't land on the moon."
Shouldn't everyone be at least moderately concerned about something like this?
It is a recipe for disaster to have machines without paper ballots determine elections. It opens up fraud to whoever hacks or tampers with the machines.
I honestly don't see the need to introduce such complex electronic equiptment to something that has been done for generations with virtually no need for technology (hanging chads aside).
I'm gonna check out HBO tonight.
I DON'T think it is a conspiracy theory on the same level of "we didn't land on the moon."
Shouldn't everyone be at least moderately concerned about something like this?
It is a recipe for disaster to have machines without paper ballots determine elections. It opens up fraud to whoever hacks or tampers with the machines.
I honestly don't see the need to introduce such complex electronic equiptment to something that has been done for generations with virtually no need for technology (hanging chads aside).
I'm gonna check out HBO tonight.
Maybe its just me, but I fail to see the purpose behind the paper receipt from a voting machine?
Like the average person puts in their vote and then takes the slip of paper and pins it on their fridge in case there is a recount?
Like the average person puts in their vote and then takes the slip of paper and pins it on their fridge in case there is a recount?
Not so many years ago a X or a little ink on your finger and mark the spots. Whats the need for all these machines. For sure with out a back up. To bad just once we dind't blow all there fuses with 75% voting. Instead of the normal 44 to 47%.
nice to see that the dems are prepping just in case things go south.....polishing off the excuses and cranking up the aclu....
so voting machines freak you guys out?....
how about the dems plan to do away with showing photo i.d.?...in some cases,they want a gas and electric bill to suffice.....
can you say "fraud"?.....they sure can say it in missouri...
doesn`t that disturb you?.....why f-ckin` vote at all?....if you don`t need an i.d.,what`s the point?....,you might as well play yahtzee...or flip a coin....
interesting little foible:
Jihadis Agree: Vote Democrat.......
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party. Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”..........
/i'm osama bin laden and i support this message.:yup
so voting machines freak you guys out?....
how about the dems plan to do away with showing photo i.d.?...in some cases,they want a gas and electric bill to suffice.....
can you say "fraud"?.....they sure can say it in missouri...
doesn`t that disturb you?.....why f-ckin` vote at all?....if you don`t need an i.d.,what`s the point?....,you might as well play yahtzee...or flip a coin....
interesting little foible:
Jihadis Agree: Vote Democrat.......
“Of course Americans should vote Democrat,” Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem’s Church of the Nativity, told WND.
“This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud,” said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared “military wing” of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah party. Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats’ talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel “proud.”
“As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk,” he told WND. “Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal.”
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas’ military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal “proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation.”..........
/i'm osama bin laden and i support this message.:yup
WE should not need a I D card in this country. We don't operate like some countries. We have a district and a certain place to vote where they have our name and address. But then I guess there are folks like Ann Cloterizer who voted illegally in primary two months ago. Darn Reb's are trying to get away with it again. Maybe she should write a book how she cheated.
I'm saying this with absolutely no research behind me, so take it FWIW. But my assumption is that the paper receipt isn't for the voter, but rather to keep a paper record in the event that the computer system would crash.
I could easily be wrong as that would actually make sense, making it directly contradictory to the general M.O. of the two political parties that control our country. If it is simply to give a voting receipt to the voters... then yeah, seems like a waste of money and time to me.
It's definitely the record keeping aspects and not the receipt for the voter.
It's that if the computer was modified to change the results, there would be absolutely no way to go back and recount.
And I agree with DJV on the ID issue.
I am not sure that was ever a national policy to begin with. I've never had to show a picture ID when I voted, and picture ID's have only existed for perhaps 60 years? What did they do previously?
Even with picture ID's you can still commit voter fraud with fake ID's. Yes, it is an added layer of security, but I don't think with them you have perfectly fair elections and without them you have unamanagable elections.
Voter fraud has existed I'm sure since our country began, but the best solution to fix it, is probably impartial, dedicated poll workers. No way the same guy is going to vote under the name Mickey Mouse if there is a sensible poll worker.
That being said I still haven't had a chance to watch the HBO documentary, which I am sure will not be the be all and end all of the debate anyway.
GW you might have mention the 2,600 dead people voting in New York of which 4 in 5 were dems and Acorn is under investigation in many states---and people wonder why the party is against voter ID's--that would appear to be no brainer. Their next step will be push to to keep muslim voters veils on eliminating positive ID--that after allowing the felon vote push
So,
If someone were to "fix" the machine to upload a couple extra votes...
now you have to go back and recount the paper ballots... doesnt it seem even easier to dump in a chitload more paper votes or make a bunch of them disappear?
All i know is that I blame florida and their silly hanging chads for this e-voting mess.
If someone were to "fix" the machine to upload a couple extra votes...
now you have to go back and recount the paper ballots... doesnt it seem even easier to dump in a chitload more paper votes or make a bunch of them disappear?
All i know is that I blame florida and their silly hanging chads for this e-voting mess.
We spend LIFE & BILLIONS IN IRAQ to spawn a democracy . We have issues with the validity of our elections. We have more to worry about than the machines, we can' t even trust what little turn out we have is the actual count. Forget about the machines, we can't trust the people that run the system. You can't make this shit up ! Unbelievable !! This is not news, we have known about this and done nothing. Just another example of apathy at it's best. This is sad America, we have work to do.
I have never showed Id to vote in NY. You have to be on the list in the right place. It would not be that easy for fraudulent big numbers to show up and vote . I don't think all American Muslims will vote for Democrats. You are trying to turn a systemic internal American voting problem into some kind of anti war , anti Americans, who happen to be Muslim bullshit.
i guess that`s why missouri is the "show me state"...and that`s exactly what they`re doing....
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GW, here's one democrat that very much fears the voting machine abuse scenario, and I really can't see how an objective person wouldn't be concerned about it. If you're a Republican, I doubt you're very concerned about it. Do we need to regurgitate the political leanings of the Diebold organization and management? The opportunity for abuse is more than a little possible, and has been shown to be probable in some cases.
That being said, I have no doubt that voter fraud exists on both sides, the ACORN group is a prime example. No doubt that votes are purchased in areas of high poverty which lean liberal.
And I still cannot think of one GOOD reason why we should not require ALL voters in this country to properly identify themselves before voting for the elected representatives of this country. If you can't manage to afford an ID card (every 2 or 4 years), then I don't know what to say. I think we have to maintain some sense of order in our world, and allowing people to cast a vote when you simply don't know who they are is just not right. If you criticize the electronic voting problems and fraud, you should also step up and accept that as well. It opens up a huge avenue for fraud.
That being said, I have no doubt that voter fraud exists on both sides, the ACORN group is a prime example. No doubt that votes are purchased in areas of high poverty which lean liberal.
And I still cannot think of one GOOD reason why we should not require ALL voters in this country to properly identify themselves before voting for the elected representatives of this country. If you can't manage to afford an ID card (every 2 or 4 years), then I don't know what to say. I think we have to maintain some sense of order in our world, and allowing people to cast a vote when you simply don't know who they are is just not right. If you criticize the electronic voting problems and fraud, you should also step up and accept that as well. It opens up a huge avenue for fraud.
Chad there are over 7 million who voted from home or over seas by absentee ballots. Who do they show there ID card to.
Some states thinking of requiring sending in photo copies of your driver's license with absentee ballot.
I posted info in this thread on how to hack a diebold and how some folks organizing "to be counted" campaigns
looked up the Ann Coulter thing you mentioned. Pretty funny!
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Conservative Pundit Ann Coulter Being Questioned For Voting In Wrong Precinct
November 2, 2006 12:45 p.m. EST
William Macklin - All Headline News Staff Writer
West Palm Beach, FL (AHN) - Conservative columnist Ann Coulter isn't exactly known for quiet and restraint, but she's apparently been tight-lipped with investigators trying to determine if she voted in the wrong precinct.
Coulter's refusal to cooperate in the investigation is likely to bring prosecutors into the case, the AP is reporting.
Palm Beach County's Elections Supervisor, Arthur Anderson, said Wednesday that his office will turn the case over to the Florida State Attorney by Friday. He told the AP that Coulter had not responded to repeated requests for information about a complaint that she had cast a ballot in the wrong precinct during a February 7 town council election in Palm Beach.
It is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison to knowingly vote in the wrong precinct.
Anderson said his office sent Coulter a letter on March 27 asking her to clarify her address on voting records "or face the possibility of her voter registration being rescinded," the AP reported. Coulter did not respond Anderson said. According to Anderson, the conservative also failed to respond to three other letters.
The elections supervisor said he did get a letter from Coulter's attorney in July. Marcos Daniel Jimenez D'Clouet wrote that he would be willing to discuss the matter in person or by telephone, complaining that Anderson had taken the issue public by talking to the media. Anderson said the matter had to be handled in writing.
D'Clouet did not immediately return calls from the AP on Wednesday.
Coulter, a fiery, shoot-from-the-lip social commentator, is no stranger to controversy. Her latest book, "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," has drawn sharp criticism for its suggestion that the widows of some victims of the September 11 attacks were enjoying their husbands deaths.
I posted info in this thread on how to hack a diebold and how some folks organizing "to be counted" campaigns
looked up the Ann Coulter thing you mentioned. Pretty funny!
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Conservative Pundit Ann Coulter Being Questioned For Voting In Wrong Precinct
November 2, 2006 12:45 p.m. EST
William Macklin - All Headline News Staff Writer
West Palm Beach, FL (AHN) - Conservative columnist Ann Coulter isn't exactly known for quiet and restraint, but she's apparently been tight-lipped with investigators trying to determine if she voted in the wrong precinct.
Coulter's refusal to cooperate in the investigation is likely to bring prosecutors into the case, the AP is reporting.
Palm Beach County's Elections Supervisor, Arthur Anderson, said Wednesday that his office will turn the case over to the Florida State Attorney by Friday. He told the AP that Coulter had not responded to repeated requests for information about a complaint that she had cast a ballot in the wrong precinct during a February 7 town council election in Palm Beach.
It is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison to knowingly vote in the wrong precinct.
Anderson said his office sent Coulter a letter on March 27 asking her to clarify her address on voting records "or face the possibility of her voter registration being rescinded," the AP reported. Coulter did not respond Anderson said. According to Anderson, the conservative also failed to respond to three other letters.
The elections supervisor said he did get a letter from Coulter's attorney in July. Marcos Daniel Jimenez D'Clouet wrote that he would be willing to discuss the matter in person or by telephone, complaining that Anderson had taken the issue public by talking to the media. Anderson said the matter had to be handled in writing.
D'Clouet did not immediately return calls from the AP on Wednesday.
Coulter, a fiery, shoot-from-the-lip social commentator, is no stranger to controversy. Her latest book, "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," has drawn sharp criticism for its suggestion that the widows of some victims of the September 11 attacks were enjoying their husbands deaths.
I don't know, DJV, interesting point. That's a concern to me now, too...
Something I've never done, voted that way. Can you get a ballot through the mail or online without proving who you are somehow? I guess so, never even thought about it, I guess I assumed you would have to go get one personally - pardon my ignorance on the situation.
If that's the case, I think that should be changed somehow, too. Seriously, to do pretty much anything these days (cash a check at your own bank, write a check, get on an airplane, etc.) you have to prove your identity, and rightfully so. To use your local scenario, if the person where you vote knows who you are, I don't think they have to see anything, do they? Otherwise, if it's someone you don't know, what is to stop fraud from happening? As prevalent as it is, with so many close races around the country, with so much at stake these days, I just think we have to be more safe than sorry.
Something I've never done, voted that way. Can you get a ballot through the mail or online without proving who you are somehow? I guess so, never even thought about it, I guess I assumed you would have to go get one personally - pardon my ignorance on the situation.
If that's the case, I think that should be changed somehow, too. Seriously, to do pretty much anything these days (cash a check at your own bank, write a check, get on an airplane, etc.) you have to prove your identity, and rightfully so. To use your local scenario, if the person where you vote knows who you are, I don't think they have to see anything, do they? Otherwise, if it's someone you don't know, what is to stop fraud from happening? As prevalent as it is, with so many close races around the country, with so much at stake these days, I just think we have to be more safe than sorry.
