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The Mythology of Health Care Reform

Friday, March 03, 2006

By Michael Tanner

Health care is once again moving to the top of the national political agenda. The early evidence is that this debate will be dominated by misinformation and misconceptions. Advocates of a government-run, national health-care system will do everything they can to frighten Americans and discredit consumer-directed health care. But we would be advised to look at the facts and not the scare tactics.

The Claim: The U.S. spends too much on health care.

The Facts: It is true that the United States spends more on health care than any other country. Why is that a bad thing? There is no ?right? amount to spend on health care or anything else. The United States spends more on athletic shoes than any other country. No one speaks of the athletic shoe crisis.

Economists consider health care a ?normal good,? meaning that spending rises or falls with income. As incomes rise, people demand more and better health care. America's wealth determines its spending on healthcare.

The real problem is the fact that the people spending the money are not the people paying the bills. Because those purchasing health care are able to pass the bill onto third parties, the usual market disciplines don?t apply. True health-care reform would focus on giving consumers a greater stake in the decision-making process.

The Claim: Though we spend more, we get less.

The Facts: America offers the highest quality health care in the world. Most of the world?s top doctors, hospitals and research facilities are located in the United States. Eighteen of the last 25 winners of the Nobel Prize in Medicine either are U.S. citizens or work here. U.S. companies have developed half of all the major new medicines introduced worldwide over the past 20 years. And Americans played a key role in 80 percent of the most important medical advances of the past 30 years.

If you are diagnosed with a serious illness, the United States is the place you want to be. Tens of thousands of patients from around the world come to this country every year for treatment.

Critics of American health care often point out that other countries have higher life expectancies or lower infant mortality rates, but those two indicators are bad ways to measure the quality of a nation?s health-care system. In the United States, very low-birth-weight infants have a much greater chance of being brought to term with the latest medical technologies. Some of those low-birth-weight babies die soon after birth, which boosts our infant mortality rate, but in many other Western countries, those high-risk, low-birth-weight infants are not included when infant mortality is calculated.

Life expectancies are also affected by other factors like violent crime, poverty, obesity, tobacco, and drug use, and other issues unrelated to health care. When you compare the outcome for specific diseases like cancer or heart disease, the United States outperforms the rest of the world.

The Claim: A government-run health-care system would expand access to care.

The Facts: The one common characteristic of all national health care systems is that they ration care. Sometimes they ration it by denying certain types of treatment altogether. More often, they ration indirectly, imposing cost constraints through budgets, waiting lines, or limited technology. One million Britons are waiting for admission to National Health Service hospitals at any given time, and shortages force the NHS to cancel as many as 100,000 operations each year. Roughly 90,000 New Zealanders are facing similar waits. In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks. In Canada more than 800,000 patients are currently on waiting lists for medical procedures.

The Claim: Health care is too complex for average Americans to make decisions about price and quality.

The Facts: Health care is increasingly high-tech and complex, but so are many other products and services that Americans purchase everyday without specialized expertise. A consumer does not need to know how an internal combustion engine works in order to buy a reliable car, or how silicon chips are manufactured before he selects a computer. When consumers have good information about product prices, quality and safety, they naturally gravitate toward the goods and services that offer the highest value for the lowest price.

There are numerous studies that show health-care consumers make decisions about price and quality. The current problem with the healthcare sector is that there isn?t enough good information available for consumers to make sound decisions about which healthcare provider or facilities offer the best value. But that?s rapidly changing as providers respond to increased consumer empowerment.

At the same time, patient advocacy companies are springing up to help health-care consumers make informed choices. When consumers, rather than insurers or employers, control the money, markets naturally respond.

The U.S. health-care system represents one-seventh of the American economy, and is literally a matter of life and death for millions of Americans. Here's hoping that they'll be able to sort the facts from the fallacies in the coming debate.

Michael Tanner is the director of health and welfare studies at the Cato Institute and director of Cato's Project on Social Security Choice.
 

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First thing that needs to be done to control medical expenses: Get rid of about 80% of pharma reps. This is the biggest waste of a job on the planet. Basically, the goal of the job is to get signatures. I have 8 personal friends that are docs, and they all say that pharma reps are a thorn in their side. And please spare me the argument that they are "educating" docs.

Another side effect of the pharma rep boom is that because drug companies make so much money, they can offer a "sales" person $70K, car, insurance, and expense account taking that person away from a job where they would actually have to sale to make commissions and generate revenue for actual commerce. I have several friends who are pharma reps that would be great for a company that actually sold a product. Too bad, their more enticed by the immediate nature of the cushy package.

Each and every person that I know that is a former pharma rep (somewhere around 15 people) admits to this being the case as well. Of course, every one of them defended it while they were on the teet. But hey, the money is a great starter career and very inviting. The problem is that I have heard from a few people that have left that industry that they have been told by companies that they are interviewing with having pharma rep on their resume hurts due to the nature of the industry. I know that I would shy away from someone who has worked in this industry because i would immediately be skeptical of their work ethic and drive to produce.

Rant over.
 

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Insurance companies are doing real good. And this guy trying to say places like Brazil yes Brazil and Sweden rate above are care all the time. He's dead on even tho he dismisses it as just luck I guess. Last year our system was rated like 5th best in world. It's close to number 1 if you got the cash. I said when these rates for insurance started to go up 5 years ago at over 11% a year. Sooner or later chit was going to hit the fan. As these rates start to affect more Americans it seems to be getting attention Hillary tried to warn folks about 10 years ago.
And this Medicare drug program. What a super screw up that is. And not a dime to pay for it. There just adding it to the deficit.
 

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"Insurance companies are doing real good."

Realy which ones? Was just reading Buffets report on Berkshire Hathaway and they had great year with exception to their 2 insurance holdings.
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As these rates start to affect more Americans it seems to be getting attention Hillary tried to warn folks about 10 years ago.
And this Medicare drug program. What a super screw up that is. And not a dime to pay for it. There just adding it to the deficit
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How can you say in one sentence Hilliary's proposal for healthcare was good but Medicare proposal was bad.
They are both gov controled healthcare--which in my view is very bad.

Hilliar tried to warn us??--just who hasn't tried to warn us?-warning is the easy part--the solution is the problem.--and Hilliary's solution was the worst possible.
 

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Let's say it was wake up call 10 years ago and no one seemed to listen. They are now. Berkshire said the hit was on causality insurance do to destruction from mostly Hurricanes last year.
Insurance for health care is doing well. Unless are friend from mad money does not know what he's talking about. I guess I could take time to double check. But I trust what he said is right.
I see some countries with help from there government to help control cost to there citizens. Are living longer then we do here.
Some where there is a happy middle that will work. This if government gets in middle they will tell me where to go for care is some what B S. My mom on Medicare can go any where she wants. Myself with normal insurance at $425 a month plus 1500 deductible. I am told by insurance company where I have to go. I can only go for 2nd opinion another place. After there Doc agrees in writing to insurance company to let me.
 

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I agree with DTB in general here. The people (like GWB) who point out the lack of a market in health care being the main problem with it are definitely correct as a matter of principle. In fact, if I am not mistaken I remember complimenting the Prez on that back in 2004 in this very forum.

The only problem I have noticed since then is that health care is just one of those issues that socialism generally wins on. People feel that with the technology we have available, health care should be a fundamental right of the people.

I know right wingers love to quote stats about waiting times for ordinary procedures and such, but at least in my experience, folks from countries with socialized health care look at the U.S. in disgust because we don't provide socialized health care. Now, I will admit that these are 20-40 year olds who generally are pretty healthy, so their health care needs are very light. Maybe if they were 70 and needed this heart surgery that you supposedly have to wait 6 months for, they would feel differently.

It seems to me that this subject is a born loser for conservatives. Socialized health care is coming. It's just a matter of how soon it gets here.
 

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Actually, let me retract a portion of my initial statement. The #1 thing that needs to be changed is the lobbying power of the drug industry. This is most probable the reason why we have such a problem with pharma reps, so that should be #1, in my opinion.

Actually, the overall lobbying process needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. I believe politicians on both sides have their hands in a bountiful amount of cookie jars. It is one truly bi-partisan effort!
 

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Dawg The new Medicare drug plan backs you up. Why is it alright for the V A and State governments to negotiate lower prices form drug companies. But this drug plan by Medicare does not. Think there was alitte under the table work done.
 

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djv said:
Dawg The new Medicare drug plan backs you up. Why is it alright for the V A and State governments to negotiate lower prices form drug companies. But this drug plan by Medicare does not. Think there was alitte under the table work done.

What do you think about a guy at the VA who waited 6 weeks for his radiation therapy which never came and suffocates to death?

Is this what we all want?
 

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Sounds like a local problem and some one should be held accountable. Maybe even a Doc. Or might it be the cuts done to the V A. are working the wrong direction.
 
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