Heisman front runner 2007

[Scott4USC]

Scott seems to imply through his various posts that teams that finish 10-3, 9-3, 8-4 etc are "losers" and shouldn't get any special consideration.

I think you have to consider who you play, where you play, and your teams success when considering a player for the Heisman. Therefore it is imperative to mention that Brennan has lead Hawaii to 3 losses this year and Hawaii has played the #101 ranked SOS. (which is pretty bad) Quinn played the #20 SOS and Smith played #40 SOS.

Brennan is a product of his system

I also would add his stats are a product of his competition! Remember, Brennan has lead Hawaii to 3 losses playing the #101 ranked SOS.

but you simply can't ignore the fact that the guy set the single season TD record for all DIV I NCAA. This warrants a look by the heisman committee by itself.

I gave him credit and said he has accomplished a lot. He is a great player. However, he is NOT in the same league as Quinn or Smith in terms of Heisman worthy.

"Brennan lead his team to 3 losses"? So what.........does that make them any less successful?

NO, but for me to give him serious heisman consideration, he must elevate his team to greatness. LOSING 3 games playing the #101 ranked SOS is not a great accomplishment. NOT HEISMAN WORTHY! That is my opinion.

well it works for them!

NO, Hawaii has 3 losses playing the #101 ranked SOS. So NO, it did not work. It was good enough to get Hawaii to a bowl game @UH and bowl win, but losing 3 games playing the #101 SOS isn't that big of an accomplishment IN MY MIND.

I just can't get over the fact that you throw around the term "loser" for every team that fails to go undefeated...........that is ridiculous.........there are too many intangibles in any season...ie: weather, player problems, university support, playing on the road, I could go on and on............

:nono: :nono: :nono:

I never called Hawaii or Brennan a loser. I think Brennan is a great QB and Hawaii had a solid season.

Where are you coming from? :shrug:

Are you calling USC losers, because they went 10-2? Of course your not............You must be jealous of Brennans accomplishments, that is in comparison to Booty. From what I have seen, Brennan is the better QB, in all facets of the game. Pete Carroll would probably love to have this competitor on his roster.

You have no argument here.

#1 Booty lead USC to 10-2 season as 1st year starter! Only 2 losses!

#2 USC suffered tremendous amount of injuries.

#3 USC only started 3 seniors on offense and 1 senior on defense! :scared

#4 USC was in a rebuilding year offensively and defensively. Only 2 losses?

#5 USC had 2 losses, 2pts on road and 4pts on road to rival. WOW!

#6 USC played the #2 ranked SOS. (brennan faced #101 ranked SOS)

CASE CLOSED ON THAT ARGUMENT! Booty was huge success. Next year he will lead USC to a BCS National Championship. Prob. won't be difficult either. Brennan is good for 3 losses playing #101 ranked SOS.

I'm not saying that Brennan deserves to win the Heisman, but there is no reason he shouldn't be considered in the race.............his numbers make him worthy. Troy deserved the Heisman this year, but that doesn't mean other players didn't deserved to mentioned in the same breathe.

How many qb's do you want to invite? Brennan did not deserve to go over Smith and Quinn. Both Smith and Quinn put up stellar #'s against far better competition. Neither player lead his team to 3 losses.

"How many losses does Hawaii have playing one of the worst STRENGTH OF SCHEDULES IN THE COUNTRY? Answer: 3".......... yes but what was their SOS non-conference????? You skew the numbers to suit your argument, and that isn't really fair. Their 3 losses were to an undefeated Boise ST., a middle of the road SEC team (one of the tougher venues to play in) and to a much improved Beaver team. They have nothing to hang their heads over.

Hawaii and Brennan had a very good year. Especially Brennan. However, you have to look at everything when comparing players. Unfortunately, Brennan doesn't stack up well compared to Quinn and Smith.

If we are to believe your argument then we may as well tell all teams that play in a mid-major conference to forget about it.........you will never have a player worthy of Heisman standing. Just tell them to stay home and play intra-mural flag football.

If Brennan lead Hawaii to an undefeated season and put up same stats, well, I would give him the Heisman over Smith. Even though he played $hit competition. If Brennan lead Hawaii to 1 loss, then I would invite him to NY. 2 losses are debatable, and 3 losses he gets a pat on the back but gets left out.

BTW: the last I checked, these mid-majors have made a pretty good showing against those elite conference........ie: PAC 10? If I were you, I would concerned for your Trojans in the Rose Bowl...............

No BCS team wants to play these mid-majors. They don't give a crap. Meaningless bowls.

I am excited for USC/Michigan and other BCS bowls.

I am not too concerned about USC. USC is a super young team, this year as long as they compete I am happy. USC competes in every game they play in. This is a major rebuilding year for USC and USC almost earned a trip to the BCS NC game. WOW!

BTW, all the juniors at USC said they are coming back next year. Only Jarret is expected to leave for NFL early. SCARY!

USC only loses 4 senior starters, 1 junior, and gets back a whole bunch of players who got injured this season. WOW!

Not too worried about Michigan. I think USC wins the game but prob. will go down to the last minute.

Good post stwoody :thumb:

 

[Dice34]

How many times did Scott4usc say Brennan led his team to 3 LOSSES playing the #101 SOS in one post????

Answer: 5:142smilie

 

[rusty]

hawaii

hawaii

lets be realist,hawaii wouldnt stand a chance facing a team like florida,ohio st. lsu, ark. mich.,and ill even put usc in there.

there a phony,that plays weak teams, that are run by nfll coaches that ran the same system in the nfl.and in the nfl it didnt seceed.

im done.

 

[jhawksoon]

Once again Scott has managed to make someone else's thread into a USC ****sucking theme. Scott, you might want to go back and look at the header, specifically the numbers 2007. He wasn't talking about this year but next. And in no way shape or form was Booty or USC rebuilding ever linked to Brennan by 808Warrior. Brennan is one guy out of the 22 that play offense and defense. One guy can't take on entire teams by himself. What do you think Hawaii's record would have been with USC's defense this year. Even if you are so ignorant to say anything other than undefeated, what do you think their record would have been with everyone on USC's team except Brennan at quarterback? Just think about it for a second.

 

[rusty]

no

no

scotts got nothing 2 do with it,its just stone cold truth.

 

[Scott4USC]

What do you think Hawaii's record would have been with USC's defense this year.

Maybe undefeated. Remember, USC's offense had an impact on their defense. USC plays ball control offense and tries to limit turnovers. Hawaii's offense could have a negative impact on USC's D. Since Hawaii played #101 ranked SOS, I would assume undefeated. Could Hawaii coaches have same success with young inexperienced players? USC is super young both sides of the ball. Not easy to get young players to play well.

what do you think their record would have been with everyone on USC's team except Brennan at quarterback?

So you are asking me what USC's record would be playing Hawaii's schedule? Answer: UNDEFEATED

If USC players replaced Hawaii players but Brennan as QB? Answer: UNDEFEATED

I say undefeated because Hawaii played piss poor SOS.

 

[gman2]

comparing hawaii to usc is apples and oranges. it will all end up flawed because of the style of play and the competition.

but this much i do know:

colt brennan is better than john david booty.

booty just never made southern cal better. he was an adequare replacement for leinart but given the weapons he has on offense, there were very few times where i was 'wowed' by a throw he made or a drive he led.

there were a handful of times watching brennan this year, from early in the year right through to the bowl game, where i said to myself "that was a big time throw" or was "wowed" by a scramble in the pocket to free himself time to throw downfield.

if booty has brennan's cockiness and leadership, usc is probably playing ohio state right now.

brennan has his share of flaws. and hawaii has their share times 5. but brennan was and is better than booty right now. maybe booty takes the next step in 2007 we'll see.

anyone know who is on hawaii's out of conference schedule next year?

 

[ferdville]

As an SC grad, of course I am a big fan. But have to agree with GMan. Booty, in fact, played much better than I anticipated this year. But like Colt, his success is as much about the system as Brennans. Booty is a solid QB that makes few mistakes and runs the offense efficiently. Put Mark Sanchez in there and what happens??? The Trojan season is much the same. Put Brennan in at QB and as even Scott agrees, USC probably goes undefeated. Booty is robotic in my opinion and without some additional help (which looks like it might happen with their recruiting class) Booty is not going to lead USC to a national championship.