Does not mean he will win this election. I expect it to tighten up considerably and think election night will be a very close one. However if anyone misunderestimates Bush and Rove and the conservative machine they are nuts. Thes guys are the best at running a campaign I have hever seen. Gun to my head i still feel Bush will get selected. The electoral map is still his to lose.
Hell Yes Kerry Won the Debate..
- Thread starter Clem D
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Is your arm tired yet?
BFD
These debates and their expected outcome are meaningless at the end of the day.
The Dems can start putting the game plan together for Lucifer's (the "NY" senator) run at the big chair. Maybe William will be room temperature by then and can be used in the orchestration of the campaign.
BFD
These debates and their expected outcome are meaningless at the end of the day.
The Dems can start putting the game plan together for Lucifer's (the "NY" senator) run at the big chair. Maybe William will be room temperature by then and can be used in the orchestration of the campaign.
Kerry Flip-Flops On Iraq's Ties To Al Qaeda
Tonight's Flip: In Response To Question Four John Kerry Said Iraq Was Not Close To The War On Terror Until The President Invaded It.
Yesterday's Flop: Kerry Warned Of Saddam's Ties To Terrorism. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)
Kerry Confuses His Position On The Iraq War
Kerry Tonight: ?The President And I Have Always Agreed On That, And From The Beginning, I Did Vote To Give The Authority Because I Thought Saddam Hussein Was A Threat.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Kerry Earlier This Month: Iraq Is "The Wrong War In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time." "Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry on Monday called the invasion of Iraq 'the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time' and said his goal was to withdraw U.S. troops in his first White House term." (Patricia Wilson, " Kerry on Iraq: Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time", Reuters, 9/6/04)
Kerry In May 2003: In First Dem Debate, Kerry Strongly Supported President's Action In Iraq. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/3/03)
Kerry's False Statement On Supporting Our Troops
In Response To Question Four John Kerry Said, "My Message To The Troops Is Also Thank You For What They're Doing But It's Also Help Is On The Way. I Believe Those Troops Deserve Better Than What They Are Getting Today." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
The Real Record: Kerry Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding To Equip Our Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan With Essential Supplies Like Ammunition And Body Armor.
Kerry Has Already Taken Eight Positions On The $87 Billion:
* Kerry Said It Would Be "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding Troops. Doyle McManus (LA Times) : "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" Kerry: "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to ? to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." (CBS' "Face the Nation," 9/14/03)
* Kerry Claims "I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech In Huntington, WV, 3/16/04)
* Kerry Later Said He Was "Proud" That He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding For U.S. Soldiers. "Here is the value that John Edwards and I will put in place. I'm proud to say that John joined me in voting against that $87 billion when we knew the policy had to be changed." (John Kerry, Remarks at "Women's Voices: A Luncheon with John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04)
* Kerry Then Said His Vote Against Body Armor And Supplies For Troops Was "Complicated." (MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning," 7/15/04)
* Kerry Even Said His Vote For The War And Against Funding For Our Troops Was "Not A Flip-Flop."(CBS' "Evening News," 7/21/04)
* Kerry Then Defended His Vote Against The $87 Billion By Saying President Bush "Didn't Have A Plan To Win The Peace, It Was Irresponsible To Give [President Bush] A Blank Check That Gave $20 Billion That Was Going To Go?To Halliburton And All These Other Companies." (Mike Allen And Lois Romano, "Closing Laps In Race To November," The Washington Post, 9/4/04)
* Kerry Said He's "Glad" He Voted Against The Iraq Supplemental. KERRY: "Because I saw what was happening. I voted against it -- absolutely voted against it. I'm glad I voted against it. Because we now see that that $20 billion hasn't even been spent effectively. Most of it's going to Halliburton in fraud and no-bid contracts which is completely inappropriate. I'd fire Halliburton tomorrow." (CBS' "The Late Show With David Letterman," 9/20/04)
* Kerry Said His Vote Against The Iraq Supplemental "Was A Protest. Sometimes You Have To Stand Up And Be Counted." KERRY: "But it reflects the truth of the position, which is I fought to have the wealthiest people in America share the burden of paying for that war. It was a protest. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted, and that's what I did." (ABC's "Good Morning America," 9/29/04)
Kerry's False Statement On The President's Truthfulness
In Response To Question Nine John Kerry Claimed He?s ?Never, Ever? Used Word ?Lying? In Reference To President Bush On Iraq. JIM LEHRER: ?New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You?ve repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth.? SEN. KERRY: ?Well, I?ve never, ever used the harshest word as you just did.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
In September 2003, Kerry Said Bush Administration ?Lied? And ?Misled.? ?This administration has lied to us. They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations? process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, ?I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,? and I know this president fails that test in Iraq.? (Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)
Kerry Flip-Flops On Preemption
Tonight's Flip: In Response To Question 13 John Kerry Said "The President Always Has The Right, And Always Has Had The Right For Preemptive Strike.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Yesterday's Flop: In 2003 Boston Globe Guest Commentary, Kerry Denounced "The Threat Of Military Preemption Against Terrorist Organizations." "It is troubling that this administration's approach to the menace of loose nuclear materials is long on rhetoric but short on execution. It relies unwisely on the threat of military preemption against terrorist organizations, which can be defeated if they are found but will not be deterred by our military might." (John Kerry, Op-Ed, "Moscow Treaty Is Full Of Holes, The Boston Globe, 3/5/03)
Kerry Criticizes President Bush's "Doctrine Of Preemption." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: "(Off Camera) ... you would have your own doctrine of preemption, then?" SENATOR JOHN KERRY: "George, every president from the beginning, uh, of time, has had a sufficient doctrine of preemption. Throughout the Cold War, the entire first strike doctrine was based on a doctrine of preemption. But that's very different from the Bush doctrine of preemption. I don't subscribe to the George Bush doctrine as he has described it, which is very different. It's a preemptive war for the purpose of removing, simply removing the dictator." (ABC's "This Week," 2/22/04)
Kerry's False Statement On UN Involvement
Kerry's False Statement: Kerry Denigrates The UN Coalition. In response to question nine John Kerry said, ?The United Nations, Kofi Annan, offered help after Baghdad fell and we never picked them up on that and did what was necessary to transfer authority and to transfer reconstruction. It was always American run. Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
A Multinational Force Of Some 30 Nations Continues To Help Secure A Free Iraq. PRESIDENT BUSH: "The multinational force of some 30 nations continues to help secure a free Iraq, and we are grateful for the service and sacrifice of all." (President's Radio Address, 9/25/04)
In Addition to the United States, Other Coalition Members Are Providing Approximately 25,000 Troops To Assist Our Efforts In Iraq.
Tonight's Flip: In Response To Question Four John Kerry Said Iraq Was Not Close To The War On Terror Until The President Invaded It.
Yesterday's Flop: Kerry Warned Of Saddam's Ties To Terrorism. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)
Kerry Confuses His Position On The Iraq War
Kerry Tonight: ?The President And I Have Always Agreed On That, And From The Beginning, I Did Vote To Give The Authority Because I Thought Saddam Hussein Was A Threat.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Kerry Earlier This Month: Iraq Is "The Wrong War In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time." "Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry on Monday called the invasion of Iraq 'the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time' and said his goal was to withdraw U.S. troops in his first White House term." (Patricia Wilson, " Kerry on Iraq: Wrong War, Wrong Place, Wrong Time", Reuters, 9/6/04)
Kerry In May 2003: In First Dem Debate, Kerry Strongly Supported President's Action In Iraq. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/3/03)
Kerry's False Statement On Supporting Our Troops
In Response To Question Four John Kerry Said, "My Message To The Troops Is Also Thank You For What They're Doing But It's Also Help Is On The Way. I Believe Those Troops Deserve Better Than What They Are Getting Today." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
The Real Record: Kerry Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding To Equip Our Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan With Essential Supplies Like Ammunition And Body Armor.
Kerry Has Already Taken Eight Positions On The $87 Billion:
* Kerry Said It Would Be "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding Troops. Doyle McManus (LA Times) : "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" Kerry: "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to ? to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." (CBS' "Face the Nation," 9/14/03)
* Kerry Claims "I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech In Huntington, WV, 3/16/04)
* Kerry Later Said He Was "Proud" That He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding For U.S. Soldiers. "Here is the value that John Edwards and I will put in place. I'm proud to say that John joined me in voting against that $87 billion when we knew the policy had to be changed." (John Kerry, Remarks at "Women's Voices: A Luncheon with John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04)
* Kerry Then Said His Vote Against Body Armor And Supplies For Troops Was "Complicated." (MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning," 7/15/04)
* Kerry Even Said His Vote For The War And Against Funding For Our Troops Was "Not A Flip-Flop."(CBS' "Evening News," 7/21/04)
* Kerry Then Defended His Vote Against The $87 Billion By Saying President Bush "Didn't Have A Plan To Win The Peace, It Was Irresponsible To Give [President Bush] A Blank Check That Gave $20 Billion That Was Going To Go?To Halliburton And All These Other Companies." (Mike Allen And Lois Romano, "Closing Laps In Race To November," The Washington Post, 9/4/04)
* Kerry Said He's "Glad" He Voted Against The Iraq Supplemental. KERRY: "Because I saw what was happening. I voted against it -- absolutely voted against it. I'm glad I voted against it. Because we now see that that $20 billion hasn't even been spent effectively. Most of it's going to Halliburton in fraud and no-bid contracts which is completely inappropriate. I'd fire Halliburton tomorrow." (CBS' "The Late Show With David Letterman," 9/20/04)
* Kerry Said His Vote Against The Iraq Supplemental "Was A Protest. Sometimes You Have To Stand Up And Be Counted." KERRY: "But it reflects the truth of the position, which is I fought to have the wealthiest people in America share the burden of paying for that war. It was a protest. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted, and that's what I did." (ABC's "Good Morning America," 9/29/04)
Kerry's False Statement On The President's Truthfulness
In Response To Question Nine John Kerry Claimed He?s ?Never, Ever? Used Word ?Lying? In Reference To President Bush On Iraq. JIM LEHRER: ?New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You?ve repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth.? SEN. KERRY: ?Well, I?ve never, ever used the harshest word as you just did.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
In September 2003, Kerry Said Bush Administration ?Lied? And ?Misled.? ?This administration has lied to us. They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations? process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, ?I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,? and I know this president fails that test in Iraq.? (Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)
Kerry Flip-Flops On Preemption
Tonight's Flip: In Response To Question 13 John Kerry Said "The President Always Has The Right, And Always Has Had The Right For Preemptive Strike.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Yesterday's Flop: In 2003 Boston Globe Guest Commentary, Kerry Denounced "The Threat Of Military Preemption Against Terrorist Organizations." "It is troubling that this administration's approach to the menace of loose nuclear materials is long on rhetoric but short on execution. It relies unwisely on the threat of military preemption against terrorist organizations, which can be defeated if they are found but will not be deterred by our military might." (John Kerry, Op-Ed, "Moscow Treaty Is Full Of Holes, The Boston Globe, 3/5/03)
Kerry Criticizes President Bush's "Doctrine Of Preemption." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: "(Off Camera) ... you would have your own doctrine of preemption, then?" SENATOR JOHN KERRY: "George, every president from the beginning, uh, of time, has had a sufficient doctrine of preemption. Throughout the Cold War, the entire first strike doctrine was based on a doctrine of preemption. But that's very different from the Bush doctrine of preemption. I don't subscribe to the George Bush doctrine as he has described it, which is very different. It's a preemptive war for the purpose of removing, simply removing the dictator." (ABC's "This Week," 2/22/04)
Kerry's False Statement On UN Involvement
Kerry's False Statement: Kerry Denigrates The UN Coalition. In response to question nine John Kerry said, ?The United Nations, Kofi Annan, offered help after Baghdad fell and we never picked them up on that and did what was necessary to transfer authority and to transfer reconstruction. It was always American run. Secondly, when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
A Multinational Force Of Some 30 Nations Continues To Help Secure A Free Iraq. PRESIDENT BUSH: "The multinational force of some 30 nations continues to help secure a free Iraq, and we are grateful for the service and sacrifice of all." (President's Radio Address, 9/25/04)
In Addition to the United States, Other Coalition Members Are Providing Approximately 25,000 Troops To Assist Our Efforts In Iraq.
Tonight's Flip:
In response to question #4 John Kerry said Iraq was not close to the War on Terror until the President invaded it.
Yesterday's Flop:
Kerry Warned Of Saddam's Ties To Terrorism. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)
Kerry Said Iraq "Is Critical" To Success Of War On Terror. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror. And therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that. And I disagree with the Governor [Howard Dean]." (Fox News' "Special Report," 12/15/03)
Kerry Said Those In Iraq Are Fighting "On Behalf Of Freedom In The War On Terror." "Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq. More than 1,000 of America's sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom in the war on terror. I think that the first thing that every American wants to say today is how deeply we each feel the loss." (CNN's "Wolf Blitzer Reports," 9/7/04)
Kerry Called Those Who Would Leave Saddam Alone "Na?ve To The Point Of Grave Danger." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)
Kerry Said Saddam's Miscalculations Is Biggest Concern, Not "Actual" WMD. KERRY: "Those are the things that?that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 9/15/02)
February 2002: John Edwards Called Iraq "Most Serious And Imminent Threat To Our Country." (CNN's "Late Edition," 2/24/02)
The Bush Administration Never Claimed A Direct Link Between Saddam Hussein and 9/11; Did Correctly Point To Iraq's Contacts With Al Qaeda. Q "Okay, and about Saddam Hussein, do you think the administration has made it clear to the American public that Saddam had nothing to do with September 11th?" DR. RICE: "I think that the administration has made it clear that we have no evidence and have never claimed a direct link of Saddam Hussein and his regime to the events of September 11th, saying that he planned them or controlled them or something. It is very clear that he had links to terrorism that were broad and deep, including numerous contacts with al Qaeda, including an al Qaeda associate, a man named al Zarqawi, who was operating his network out of Baghdad. The network that ended up ordering the killing of an American citizen, an American diplomat in Jordan, Mr. Foley." (Interview Of Dr. Condoleezza Rice By WTVT-TV, Tampa, Florida, 11/14/03, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/print/20031114-14.html)
In response to question #4 John Kerry said Iraq was not close to the War on Terror until the President invaded it.
Yesterday's Flop:
Kerry Warned Of Saddam's Ties To Terrorism. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)
Kerry Said Iraq "Is Critical" To Success Of War On Terror. SEN. JOHN KERRY: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror. And therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that. And I disagree with the Governor [Howard Dean]." (Fox News' "Special Report," 12/15/03)
Kerry Said Those In Iraq Are Fighting "On Behalf Of Freedom In The War On Terror." "Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq. More than 1,000 of America's sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom in the war on terror. I think that the first thing that every American wants to say today is how deeply we each feel the loss." (CNN's "Wolf Blitzer Reports," 9/7/04)
Kerry Called Those Who Would Leave Saddam Alone "Na?ve To The Point Of Grave Danger." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)
Kerry Said Saddam's Miscalculations Is Biggest Concern, Not "Actual" WMD. KERRY: "Those are the things that?that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 9/15/02)
February 2002: John Edwards Called Iraq "Most Serious And Imminent Threat To Our Country." (CNN's "Late Edition," 2/24/02)
The Bush Administration Never Claimed A Direct Link Between Saddam Hussein and 9/11; Did Correctly Point To Iraq's Contacts With Al Qaeda. Q "Okay, and about Saddam Hussein, do you think the administration has made it clear to the American public that Saddam had nothing to do with September 11th?" DR. RICE: "I think that the administration has made it clear that we have no evidence and have never claimed a direct link of Saddam Hussein and his regime to the events of September 11th, saying that he planned them or controlled them or something. It is very clear that he had links to terrorism that were broad and deep, including numerous contacts with al Qaeda, including an al Qaeda associate, a man named al Zarqawi, who was operating his network out of Baghdad. The network that ended up ordering the killing of an American citizen, an American diplomat in Jordan, Mr. Foley." (Interview Of Dr. Condoleezza Rice By WTVT-TV, Tampa, Florida, 11/14/03, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/print/20031114-14.html)
Breaking Debate Fact: Voted Against the $87 Billion
Kerry's False Statement:
In response to question #4 John Kerry said, "My message to the troops is also thank you for what they're doing but it's also help is on the way. I believe those troops deserve better than what they are getting today." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
The Real Record:
FACT: $87 Billion Supplemental Kerry Voted Against Provided:
* Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided "Extra Money For Body Armor For Soldiers ?" ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03)
* Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided Increased Combat Pay For Troops. ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press , 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03; "FY 2004 Supplemental Request For Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), And Operation Noble Eagle (ONE)," U.S. Department Of Defense, 9/03)
* Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided Health Benefits For Reservists And Guardsmen Called To Active Duty, As Well As Support For Their Families. ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press , 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03; "FY 2004 Supplemental Request For Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), And Operation Noble Eagle (ONE)," U.S. Department Of Defense, 9/03)
* Bill Also Provided Eligibility For TRICARE Health Benefits To Reservists, Guardsmen And Their Dependents If They Are Activated For Duty, Unemployed, Or Their Employer Does Not Provide Health Care Benefits. (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay; See Text Of H.R. 3289, Engrossed Amendment As Agreed To By Senate)
FACT: Kerry Has Already Taken Eight Positions On The $87 Billion
* Kerry Said It Would Be "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding Troops. Doyle McManus (LA Times) : "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" Kerry: "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to ? to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." (CBS' "Face the Nation," 9/14/03)
* Kerry Claims "I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech In Huntington, WV, 3/16/04)
* Kerry Later Said He Was "Proud" That He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding For U.S. Soldiers. "Here is the value that John Edwards and I will put in place. I'm proud to say that John joined me in voting against that $87 billion when we knew the policy had to be changed." (John Kerry, Remarks at "Women's Voices: A Luncheon with John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04)
* Kerry Then Said His Vote Against Body Armor And Supplies For Troops Was "Complicated." (MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning," 7/15/04)
* Kerry Even Said His Vote For The War And Against Funding For Our Troops Was "Not A Flip-Flop."(CBS' "Evening News," 7/21/04)
* Kerry Then Defended His Vote Against The $87 Billion By Saying President Bush "Didn't Have A Plan To Win The Peace, It Was Irresponsible To Give [President Bush] A Blank Check That Gave $20 Billion That Was Going To Go?To Halliburton And All These Other Companies." (Mike Allen And Lois Romano, "Closing Laps In Race To November," The Washington Post, 9/4/04)
* Kerry Said He's "Glad" He Voted Against The Iraq Supplemental. KERRY: "Because I saw what was happening. I voted against it -- absolutely voted against it. I'm glad I voted against it. Because we now see that that $20 billion hasn't even been spent effectively. Most of it's going to Halliburton in fraud and no-bid contracts which is completely inappropriate. I'd fire Halliburton tomorrow." (CBS' "The Late Show With David Letterman," 9/20/04)
* Kerry Said His Vote Against The Iraq Supplemental "Was A Protest. Sometimes You Have To Stand Up And Be Counted." KERRY: "But it reflects the truth of the position, which is I fought to have the wealthiest people in America share the burden of paying for that war. It was a protest. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted, and that's what I did." (ABC's "Good Morning America," 9/29/04)
Kerry's False Statement:
In response to question #4 John Kerry said, "My message to the troops is also thank you for what they're doing but it's also help is on the way. I believe those troops deserve better than what they are getting today." (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
The Real Record:
FACT: $87 Billion Supplemental Kerry Voted Against Provided:
* Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided "Extra Money For Body Armor For Soldiers ?" ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03)
* Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided Increased Combat Pay For Troops. ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press , 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03; "FY 2004 Supplemental Request For Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), And Operation Noble Eagle (ONE)," U.S. Department Of Defense, 9/03)
* Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided Health Benefits For Reservists And Guardsmen Called To Active Duty, As Well As Support For Their Families. ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press , 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03; "FY 2004 Supplemental Request For Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), And Operation Noble Eagle (ONE)," U.S. Department Of Defense, 9/03)
* Bill Also Provided Eligibility For TRICARE Health Benefits To Reservists, Guardsmen And Their Dependents If They Are Activated For Duty, Unemployed, Or Their Employer Does Not Provide Health Care Benefits. (S. 1689, CQ Vote #400: Passed 87-12: R 50-0; D 37-11; I 0-1, 10/17/03, Kerry Voted Nay; See Text Of H.R. 3289, Engrossed Amendment As Agreed To By Senate)
FACT: Kerry Has Already Taken Eight Positions On The $87 Billion
* Kerry Said It Would Be "Irresponsible" To Vote Against Funding Troops. Doyle McManus (LA Times) : "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" Kerry: "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to ? to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." (CBS' "Face the Nation," 9/14/03)
* Kerry Claims "I Actually Did Vote For The $87 Billion Before I Voted Against It." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech In Huntington, WV, 3/16/04)
* Kerry Later Said He Was "Proud" That He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding For U.S. Soldiers. "Here is the value that John Edwards and I will put in place. I'm proud to say that John joined me in voting against that $87 billion when we knew the policy had to be changed." (John Kerry, Remarks at "Women's Voices: A Luncheon with John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04)
* Kerry Then Said His Vote Against Body Armor And Supplies For Troops Was "Complicated." (MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning," 7/15/04)
* Kerry Even Said His Vote For The War And Against Funding For Our Troops Was "Not A Flip-Flop."(CBS' "Evening News," 7/21/04)
* Kerry Then Defended His Vote Against The $87 Billion By Saying President Bush "Didn't Have A Plan To Win The Peace, It Was Irresponsible To Give [President Bush] A Blank Check That Gave $20 Billion That Was Going To Go?To Halliburton And All These Other Companies." (Mike Allen And Lois Romano, "Closing Laps In Race To November," The Washington Post, 9/4/04)
* Kerry Said He's "Glad" He Voted Against The Iraq Supplemental. KERRY: "Because I saw what was happening. I voted against it -- absolutely voted against it. I'm glad I voted against it. Because we now see that that $20 billion hasn't even been spent effectively. Most of it's going to Halliburton in fraud and no-bid contracts which is completely inappropriate. I'd fire Halliburton tomorrow." (CBS' "The Late Show With David Letterman," 9/20/04)
* Kerry Said His Vote Against The Iraq Supplemental "Was A Protest. Sometimes You Have To Stand Up And Be Counted." KERRY: "But it reflects the truth of the position, which is I fought to have the wealthiest people in America share the burden of paying for that war. It was a protest. Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted, and that's what I did." (ABC's "Good Morning America," 9/29/04)
Breaking Debate Fact: Kerry Claimed He?s ?Never, Ever? Used Word ?Lying? in Reference to President Bush on Iraq
Kerry's False Statement:
In response to question #9 John Kerry claimed he?s ?never, ever? used word ?lying? in reference to President Bush on Iraq. JIM LEHRER: ?New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You?ve repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth.? SEN. KERRY: ?Well, I?ve never, ever used the harshest word as you just did.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
The Real Record:
FACT: In September 2003, Kerry Said Bush Administration ?Lied? And ?Misled.? ?This administration has lied to us . They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations? process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, ?I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,? and I know this president fails that test in Iraq.? (Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)
Kerry's False Statement:
In response to question #9 John Kerry claimed he?s ?never, ever? used word ?lying? in reference to President Bush on Iraq. JIM LEHRER: ?New question, Senator Kerry. Two minutes. You?ve repeatedly accused President Bush, not here tonight but elsewhere before, of not telling the truth about Iraq. Essentially, of lying to the American people about Iraq. Give us some examples of what you consider to be his not telling the truth.? SEN. KERRY: ?Well, I?ve never, ever used the harshest word as you just did.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
The Real Record:
FACT: In September 2003, Kerry Said Bush Administration ?Lied? And ?Misled.? ?This administration has lied to us . They have misled us. And they have broken their promises to us. The president promised to the people and the Congress that he would build an international coalition, respect the United Nations? process and only go to war as a last resort. I will tell you that from my war fighting experience, I believe there is a test for a president as to how you go to war. And that test is whether or not you can look in the eyes of parents and say to them, ?I did everything possible to avoid the loss of your son and daughter, but we had no other choice in order to protect the security of our nation,? and I know this president fails that test in Iraq.? (Sen. John Kerry, Campaign Event, Claremont, NH, 9/20/03)
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Breaking Debate Fact: Kerry Flip Flops on Preemption
Tonight's Flip:
In response to question #13 John Kerry said, "The President always has the right, and always has had the right for preemptive strike.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Yesterday's Flop:
In 2003 Boston Globe Guest Commentary, Kerry Denounced "The Threat Of Military Preemption Against Terrorist Organizations." "It is troubling that this administration's approach to the menace of loose nuclear materials is long on rhetoric but short on execution. It relies unwisely on the threat of military preemption against terrorist organizations, which can be defeated if they are found but will not be deterred by our military might." (John Kerry, Op-Ed, "Moscow Treaty Is Full Of Holes, The Boston Globe, 3/5/03)
Kerry Criticizes President Bush's "Doctrine Of Preemption." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: "(Off Camera) ... you would have your own doctrine of preemption, then?" SENATOR JOHN KERRY: "George, every president from the beginning, uh, of time, has had a sufficient doctrine of preemption. Throughout the Cold War, the entire first strike doctrine was based on a doctrine of preemption. But that's very different from the Bush doctrine of preemption. I don't subscribe to the George Bush doctrine as he has described it, which is very different. It's a preemptive war for the purpose of removing, simply removing the dictator." (ABC's "This Week," 2/22/04)
(Democrats, A One-Two Punch," The [Albany] Times-Union, 2/28/04)
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Thursday, September 30, 2004
Breaking Debate Fact: Kerry Flip Flops on Preemption
Tonight's Flip:
In response to question #13 John Kerry said, "The President always has the right, and always has had the right for preemptive strike.? (Sen. John Kerry, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Yesterday's Flop:
In 2003 Boston Globe Guest Commentary, Kerry Denounced "The Threat Of Military Preemption Against Terrorist Organizations." "It is troubling that this administration's approach to the menace of loose nuclear materials is long on rhetoric but short on execution. It relies unwisely on the threat of military preemption against terrorist organizations, which can be defeated if they are found but will not be deterred by our military might." (John Kerry, Op-Ed, "Moscow Treaty Is Full Of Holes, The Boston Globe, 3/5/03)
Kerry Criticizes President Bush's "Doctrine Of Preemption." GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: "(Off Camera) ... you would have your own doctrine of preemption, then?" SENATOR JOHN KERRY: "George, every president from the beginning, uh, of time, has had a sufficient doctrine of preemption. Throughout the Cold War, the entire first strike doctrine was based on a doctrine of preemption. But that's very different from the Bush doctrine of preemption. I don't subscribe to the George Bush doctrine as he has described it, which is very different. It's a preemptive war for the purpose of removing, simply removing the dictator." (ABC's "This Week," 2/22/04)
(Democrats, A One-Two Punch," The [Albany] Times-Union, 2/28/04)
Breaking Debate Fact: Kerry On Those Denying Saddam's Capture Makes America More Secure
In Tonight?s Debate, President Bush Said:
?My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared, in 2002, that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat. He also said, in December of 2003, that anyone who doubts that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be president. I agree with him. The world is better off without Saddam Hussein.? (President George W. Bush, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Kerry On Those Denying Saddam's Capture Makes America More Secure
During The Primaries, Kerry Questioned The Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam's Capture Doesn't Help American Security. "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." (Anne Q. Hoy, "Dean Faces More Criticism," [New York] Newsday, 12/17/03)
* Watch this Video: Kerry Said America Is Safer Without Saddam Hussein
In Tonight?s Debate, President Bush Said:
?My opponent looked at the same intelligence I looked at and declared, in 2002, that Saddam Hussein was a grave threat. He also said, in December of 2003, that anyone who doubts that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein does not have the judgment to be president. I agree with him. The world is better off without Saddam Hussein.? (President George W. Bush, First Presidential Debate, Miami, FL, 9/30/04)
Kerry On Those Denying Saddam's Capture Makes America More Secure
During The Primaries, Kerry Questioned The Judgment Of Those Claiming Saddam's Capture Doesn't Help American Security. "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." (Anne Q. Hoy, "Dean Faces More Criticism," [New York] Newsday, 12/17/03)
* Watch this Video: Kerry Said America Is Safer Without Saddam Hussein
I sure hope the other debates talk about the other issues. I want to see Bush finally face direct questions on OUTSOURCING, DEFICIT, ENVRIONMENT (specifically the "Clear Skies Initiative"), and more domestic issues that he could not have handled any worse the last 4 years.
Bush should have won last night. He has an advantage on Iraq because Kerry probably can't offer much different from this point forward. Bush lost because he sounded like the dumb ass he really is. When people are dying, they don't want to hear a child tell them why lives are being lost.
Talk about domestic issues and Bush will get TROUNCED. As he once so elegantly said just prior to 1,000+ Americans and 20,000 Iragis being killed ..."Bring it on!"
Bush should have won last night. He has an advantage on Iraq because Kerry probably can't offer much different from this point forward. Bush lost because he sounded like the dumb ass he really is. When people are dying, they don't want to hear a child tell them why lives are being lost.
Talk about domestic issues and Bush will get TROUNCED. As he once so elegantly said just prior to 1,000+ Americans and 20,000 Iragis being killed ..."Bring it on!"
Ray your getting good with that computer. Looks like your on the pay role.
Clem you are right seems the American people dont buy the same thing said over and over. The one study group said it best. Bush had material for 30 minutes and then was lost. I see only poll close was from fox of course. But even fox had to say it was Kerrys night. I found the poll from the undesided telling. I mean 46% Kerry to 34% bush to 18% tie. That even surprised me. What they should have asked Americans. Dont you think we can find better.
Clem you are right seems the American people dont buy the same thing said over and over. The one study group said it best. Bush had material for 30 minutes and then was lost. I see only poll close was from fox of course. But even fox had to say it was Kerrys night. I found the poll from the undesided telling. I mean 46% Kerry to 34% bush to 18% tie. That even surprised me. What they should have asked Americans. Dont you think we can find better.
Kerry is a good debater, unlike Bush. After reading all of these posts, it's obvious the liberals would prefer a candidate who TALKS THE TALK, over a candidate WHO WALKS THE WALK. I'd rather have a president who will be RELENTLESS when it comes to fighting terror, not someone who wants to pull troops out of the middle east. That sends an absolutly PUTRID message to the terrorists. How can anyone be so out of touch with reality?!
Kerry said with his plan he will pull troops out within 6 months...but why and how would he do this with enemy insurgency is on the rise?
I know you guys don't see it that way, but oh well. Won't matter in 5 weeks. When it comes to the debates I know smart Americans will listen to the substance, not the delivery.
There were so many holes in Kerry's bantering I wanted to kick Bush's ass off stage and take over the podium myself!! lol Bush was WEAK!! I know the garbage coming out of Kerrys mouth was pathetic but Bush did a lousy job of maintaining his composure when Kerry put his spin on reality. I could have totally done a better job debating Kerry. I myself saw several flip-flops during Kerry's spewing that I thought the president could have cornered Kerry on. Bush didn't even pick up on them.
Talk is cheap. I want a president who will take action, not stand up there like a politician and lecture the nation and throw firebombs for 90 minutes. He says he has all these great goals, but he never mentioned how he would go about attaining them.
Kerry said with his plan he will pull troops out within 6 months...but why and how would he do this with enemy insurgency is on the rise?
I know you guys don't see it that way, but oh well. Won't matter in 5 weeks. When it comes to the debates I know smart Americans will listen to the substance, not the delivery.
There were so many holes in Kerry's bantering I wanted to kick Bush's ass off stage and take over the podium myself!! lol Bush was WEAK!! I know the garbage coming out of Kerrys mouth was pathetic but Bush did a lousy job of maintaining his composure when Kerry put his spin on reality. I could have totally done a better job debating Kerry. I myself saw several flip-flops during Kerry's spewing that I thought the president could have cornered Kerry on. Bush didn't even pick up on them.
Talk is cheap. I want a president who will take action, not stand up there like a politician and lecture the nation and throw firebombs for 90 minutes. He says he has all these great goals, but he never mentioned how he would go about attaining them.
Bush WALKS THE WALK when it comes to spending $145 billion, getting over 1,000 Americans and 20,000 killed in a DISTRACTION from the War on Terror. No doubt about that. But at least he's got balls, right?
Is anyone going to read those novels from Raymond? Gotta spend at least SOME of my day working.
Is anyone going to read those novels from Raymond? Gotta spend at least SOME of my day working.
smurphy BUSH also walks the walk when it comes to liberating 50,000,000 people, capturing Saddam Hussein, destroying the Taliban, protecting the homeland, extracting a dictator who was pursuing nukes, turning a terror infested Afghanistan into a democracy and wiping put 3/4 of Al Quedas leaders.
Oh but for you it's all about money. Good one.
Oh but for you it's all about money. Good one.
my version of Bush' Flip-flop...
the flip......North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
the flop.........BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
the flip....... Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
the flop........BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
the flip.....homeland security
Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
.....the flop........BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
the flip......North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
the flop.........BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
the flip....... Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
the flop........BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
the flip.....homeland security
Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
.....the flop........BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
We still don't have Bin Laden...but do we even know if he's still alive?? when is the last time we heard from Osama? Now everytime Al Queda speaks, it's not Osama's voice....just like today. Why is that?
The 9/11 mastermind is sitting in a small jail cell in U.S. custody. Shame on you Mr. President.
The 9/11 mastermind is sitting in a small jail cell in U.S. custody. Shame on you Mr. President.
the flip....WMD's
Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
the flop........BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
the flip......Osama bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
the flop....
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
the flip....nation building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
the flop.........BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
the flip......Saddam and Al Quada links
Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
the flop.........BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
the flip....UN resolutions
U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]
the flop..........BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
the flip...time line for dictators
Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack." [LA Times, 10/3/02]
the flop....?Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators." [President Bush, 8/27/04]
the flip....winning the war on terror
Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can." [President Bush, 4/13/04]
the flop........?Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/30/04]
than the flop back to flip....?Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/31/04]
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Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
the flop........BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
the flip......Osama bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
the flop....
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
the flip....nation building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
the flop.........BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
the flip......Saddam and Al Quada links
Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
the flop.........BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
the flip....UN resolutions
U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]
the flop..........BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
the flip...time line for dictators
Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack." [LA Times, 10/3/02]
the flop....?Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators." [President Bush, 8/27/04]
the flip....winning the war on terror
Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can." [President Bush, 4/13/04]
the flop........?Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/30/04]
than the flop back to flip....?Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/31/04]
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KDogg your boy wants to cut China out of the North Korean picture and negotiate one on one with that Kim Sum Cum loony. I don't think I'd be bragging about North Korea if I were you, unless you believe this horrible idea to be one you can agree with.
Man your boy loves those communists doesn't he?? lol
Man your boy loves those communists doesn't he?? lol
K DOgg -- I'd love to keep discussing issues with you but you keep cutting and pasting stuff that's way too long to even take the time to read. Why should I debate CNN, or whoever the hell you are getting your repetitive garbage from?
Use your OWN brain...not someone elses. Like spibble spab said, this is a discussion, not a bathroom wall.
Use your OWN brain...not someone elses. Like spibble spab said, this is a discussion, not a bathroom wall.
