I have to play this one in a league that I'm in and can't call it. Any convincing arguments either way?? :shrug: KState -10 is the line.
help with marsh/kstate game please
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Thank for your opnion Vinnie. Not much to go on here. Looks like Marshall has a good running back, but untested so far this season a win over Bill&Mary aside. Whatever, I'll ride the home team.
Marshall :thumb:
This might be the only game I wager this weekend that I have "some" doubts on. Although I had doubts with UCLA last week and they covered. But I have to play it for 2 units. You'll see why. Purely on principle and value. Marshall plays BCS teams tough! No matter what the spread! I'll show you why.
The #1 reason for me putting 2 units on Marshall is the inexperienced OL of KSU. They prob. have the most inexperienced OL in the country. 4 redshirt freshman along with 2 JUCO Transfers. JUCO transfers often need time to adjust to D1 and are no slam dunk to step in and produce right away, no matter how highly recruited they were from JC ranks. I cannot pass up the unbelievable value of taking a home team +10pts against an inexperienced OL.
This is where it gets ugly for Marshall. Only 6 returning starters and they lost their entire DL. :scared But remember they are not going against a tough traditional experienced OL of KSU. KSU is not the same KSU they were 2+ years ago. Major dropoff in program.
Marshalls strength on defense is their secondary. Very talented and maybe the best in conf. USA. I am hoping Marshall stacks the LOS and stuffs the KSU rushing game and brings out all their blitz packages. They can do this because they have a strong secondary and it is a home game. It is too much to ask for the KSU OL to pick up blitz packages. I am confident Marshall was looking ahead to KSU LW and they do have a BYE week next. So they will throw the book at KSU for chance at major upset. On flip side, KSU will likely play conservative (especially if they get up early) and not expose themselves to other Big 12 teams. They just want to get out of there with a win. KSU goal is not to win BCS title, but to win Big 12 title. Big 12 obviously is not a tough conf. this year. But they are prob. too young of a team. Def. rebuilding year for KSU.
KSU offense last week was very sloppy. 4 turnovers against FL INT. 3 fumbles and 1 INT. NOT GOOD! I would not be surprised if they turn the ball over again on the road against Marshall. In fact, I EXPECT IT!
KSU starting QB is Allen Webb who only played part time last year. He might have some difficulty playing in his first road game this season. Same with the KSU WR's. They dropped a ton of balls against FL INT. and it was a home game for KSU. Without question it is tougher to catch a football on the road vs @ home. Always tougher to play on road vs @home.
I think the Marshall offense can move the ball against the KSU defense. Marshall is very talented and balanced on offense. Something that I was happy to find out was KSU failed to get pressure on the FL INT. QB. I think they had ZERO sacks. On flip side, Marshall OL gave up ZERO sacks last week. You cannot give the Marshall QB time to throw the ball. Marshall has huge height advantage at the WR position. KSU DB's are small. The best player for Marshall is their RB so hopefully Marshall can run the ball effectively. Unfortunately KSU does have solid LB's. But I think KSU defense struggles against a sophisticated passing attack.
MARSHALL GETS THE JOB DONE AGAINST BCS OPPONENTS AND THEY ARE OFTEN CAUGHT LOOKING AHEAD!
Last year Marshall opened season as -14.5 favs over TROY ST. and lost by 2 pts. Next week they were +17 underdogs @Ohio St. and lost 24-21! Week after that they were +17 underdogs again to Georgia @UGA, and lost 13-3!
2 years ago Marshall opened season against Hofstra and won 45-21. Next week played @TN as 21pt underdogs and lost 34-24. Next game Marshall played Toledo as -5.5 favs and lost 24-17. Week after that they played @Kansas St. and were +24.5 underdogs. Marshall won 27-20.
I'll gladly take Marshall +10 @home over KSU! Especially since Marshall is 4-1 ATS as double digit dogs!
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Last but not least, Marshall has strong history of playing well at home. I think they only lost 10 home games since 1991. (something like that) I think they have won 15 of their last 17 home games. I just need them to lose by 9pts or less @home this Sat.
BTW, I am not too concerned about the Pruett leaving so late etc. In fact, it might make the players play harder and focus more with the new HC. New HC from Ohio St. is supposed to be solid. Taught by Tressel! All he has to do is hang with KSU, not beat them!
An added bonus...........
*Last year KSU was 1-3 ATS on road
*Last year KSU was 1-6 ATS as favorites (5-13 ATS last 2 years as favs)
I certainly am not betting on KSU as 10pt favorites on the road! PROVE TO ME FIRST KSU YOU ARE THE REAL DEAL AND CAN WIN BY DOUBLE DIGITS ON THE ROAD!
Good luck!
This might be the only game I wager this weekend that I have "some" doubts on. Although I had doubts with UCLA last week and they covered. But I have to play it for 2 units. You'll see why. Purely on principle and value. Marshall plays BCS teams tough! No matter what the spread! I'll show you why.
The #1 reason for me putting 2 units on Marshall is the inexperienced OL of KSU. They prob. have the most inexperienced OL in the country. 4 redshirt freshman along with 2 JUCO Transfers. JUCO transfers often need time to adjust to D1 and are no slam dunk to step in and produce right away, no matter how highly recruited they were from JC ranks. I cannot pass up the unbelievable value of taking a home team +10pts against an inexperienced OL.
This is where it gets ugly for Marshall. Only 6 returning starters and they lost their entire DL. :scared But remember they are not going against a tough traditional experienced OL of KSU. KSU is not the same KSU they were 2+ years ago. Major dropoff in program.
Marshalls strength on defense is their secondary. Very talented and maybe the best in conf. USA. I am hoping Marshall stacks the LOS and stuffs the KSU rushing game and brings out all their blitz packages. They can do this because they have a strong secondary and it is a home game. It is too much to ask for the KSU OL to pick up blitz packages. I am confident Marshall was looking ahead to KSU LW and they do have a BYE week next. So they will throw the book at KSU for chance at major upset. On flip side, KSU will likely play conservative (especially if they get up early) and not expose themselves to other Big 12 teams. They just want to get out of there with a win. KSU goal is not to win BCS title, but to win Big 12 title. Big 12 obviously is not a tough conf. this year. But they are prob. too young of a team. Def. rebuilding year for KSU.
KSU offense last week was very sloppy. 4 turnovers against FL INT. 3 fumbles and 1 INT. NOT GOOD! I would not be surprised if they turn the ball over again on the road against Marshall. In fact, I EXPECT IT!
KSU starting QB is Allen Webb who only played part time last year. He might have some difficulty playing in his first road game this season. Same with the KSU WR's. They dropped a ton of balls against FL INT. and it was a home game for KSU. Without question it is tougher to catch a football on the road vs @ home. Always tougher to play on road vs @home.
I think the Marshall offense can move the ball against the KSU defense. Marshall is very talented and balanced on offense. Something that I was happy to find out was KSU failed to get pressure on the FL INT. QB. I think they had ZERO sacks. On flip side, Marshall OL gave up ZERO sacks last week. You cannot give the Marshall QB time to throw the ball. Marshall has huge height advantage at the WR position. KSU DB's are small. The best player for Marshall is their RB so hopefully Marshall can run the ball effectively. Unfortunately KSU does have solid LB's. But I think KSU defense struggles against a sophisticated passing attack.
MARSHALL GETS THE JOB DONE AGAINST BCS OPPONENTS AND THEY ARE OFTEN CAUGHT LOOKING AHEAD!
Last year Marshall opened season as -14.5 favs over TROY ST. and lost by 2 pts. Next week they were +17 underdogs @Ohio St. and lost 24-21! Week after that they were +17 underdogs again to Georgia @UGA, and lost 13-3!
2 years ago Marshall opened season against Hofstra and won 45-21. Next week played @TN as 21pt underdogs and lost 34-24. Next game Marshall played Toledo as -5.5 favs and lost 24-17. Week after that they played @Kansas St. and were +24.5 underdogs. Marshall won 27-20.
I'll gladly take Marshall +10 @home over KSU! Especially since Marshall is 4-1 ATS as double digit dogs!
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Last but not least, Marshall has strong history of playing well at home. I think they only lost 10 home games since 1991. (something like that) I think they have won 15 of their last 17 home games. I just need them to lose by 9pts or less @home this Sat.
BTW, I am not too concerned about the Pruett leaving so late etc. In fact, it might make the players play harder and focus more with the new HC. New HC from Ohio St. is supposed to be solid. Taught by Tressel!
All he has to do is hang with KSU, not beat them!An added bonus...........
*Last year KSU was 1-3 ATS on road
*Last year KSU was 1-6 ATS as favorites (5-13 ATS last 2 years as favs)
I certainly am not betting on KSU as 10pt favorites on the road! PROVE TO ME FIRST KSU YOU ARE THE REAL DEAL AND CAN WIN BY DOUBLE DIGITS ON THE ROAD!
Good luck!
Nice post Scott, K-State will be wary & ready for a little revenge against the Herd, just not sure if they have enough offense to cover the 10 pts .... from what I'm hearing Marshall is in major rebuilding mode (though that comes from local radio here in KC) and doesn't have the talent they once had .... don't they have a somewhat new coach now at Marshall after other guy retired??
genosays said:
Thanks. I have write-ups on all my picks in my "week 2 plays" thread.
Marshall HC Pruett resigned 2 days before Spring Practice ended. HORRIBLE TIMING! Marshall hired Snyder who was on Ohio St. staff with HC Tressel. Def. not in Marshalls best interest to hire new HC so late.
I worry about KSU lining up and running the ball down Marshalls throat. Marshall did not do well defensively against the run against W&M. 3 reasons to be optomistic about Marshall stopping the KSU rushing attack. #1 inexperienced KSU OL and #2 Marshall putting all their men in the box and forcing KSU to throw the ball against their talented secondary. #3 @Marshall.
IMO Marshall shouldn't have a problem scoring. If Marshall had a strong DL, I prob. would have 5 units on Marshall +10.
