here is peter king's take on kiffen....

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its pretty much how i feel....

This Lane Kiffin story really ticks me off.

The gall of Kiffin. The unmitigated, outrageous gall of this kid. And the idiocy of Tennessee apparently giving Kiffin -- when, let's be honest, what options did he have coming off his disastrous 5-15 run with the Raiders? -- an $800,000 buyout after one year of his contract. But I blame Kiffin far more. Tennessee bought out Phil Fulmer's coaching staff, then brought in Kiffin and his staff (including his father, Monte, for a reported $1-million-a-year deal to be a college defensive coordinator) and the minute there's an opening at USC, Lane Kiffin bolts ... in the prime part of recruiting season, a terrible time to hire a coaching staff.

I wonder if Kiffin ever said to a single recruit since getting hired by Tennessee 13-plus months ago, "USC's my dream job, so if it ever opens up, I've got to go?'' Of course not. I'm sure the conversation was something like, "Come to Tennessee, I'm going to be here a long, long time, and we're going to win a national championship together.''

One 7-6 season. After Tennessee rescued a tarnished Kiffin. After Tennessee's athletics department backed Kiffin through six secondary recruiting violations, and after Tennessee backed Kiffin in a potential violation of having campus "hostesses'' make "visits'' to recruits all over the southeast.

And he's rewarded by another institution of higher learning (and I type that with as much sarcasm as I can muster), making him even richer than if he'd stayed at Tennessee .

Where's the decency? The maturity? The gratitude? The simple sense of even a pinch of loyalty?

My favorite part of this story is that Kiffin left Tennessee so hurriedly that he didn't even bother to call his brother-in-law, the brother of his wife, who was also his quarterbacks coach at Tennessee . The New York Times reported David Reaves found out Kiffin was bolting when he saw the news on TV at a local restaurant.

In the past few days, I've learned that I'm really old, because there's not nearly as much outrage as I thought there'd be over this. I'd say my Twitter account has been 60-40 against my anti-Kiffin stance (yes, I did call him "a bum''), believing that as long as he pays the buyout, he's got no obligation to the university beyond that. That's where I'll draw the line in the moral sand. He has an obligation to Tennessee. That school gave Kiffin and his family a life-preserver when he was on the street. Would he have gotten a good coaching job, after Davis booted him out of Oakland? Maybe. An SEC contender's coaching job? I doubt it. And this is how he thanks them.

Interesting column Friday on statecollege.com by Penn State quarterbacks coach Jay Paterno, son of Joe, railing about the state of college football. "This profession has lost touch with the reality of the world around us, and some coaches have lost touch with what the mission of our profession should be,'' Jay Paterno wrote. "We are starting to look as arrogant as the Wall Street bankers raking in seven-figure bonuses. The astronomical explosion in coaching salaries continues at a time of 10 percent unemployment in America and exploding tuition costs burdening working class families ... Coaches walk into a recruit's home and talk about how they will look out for that young man's future. The expectation is that the coach will help to guide him through a very formative time. A year later the same coach is off to another job for more money and left behind are the young men he promised to nurture towards their future.''

That's precisely the way I feel. I hated Brian Kelly skipping out on Cincinnati before its bowl game; I hated the USC staff not returning calls to recruits they'd bombarded with text messages and phone calls for months when Pete Carroll flirted with the Seahawks. But this one is so reprehensible because of Kiffin being rescued by the Vols and leaving after a cup of coffee and tons of broken promises. Now, a few notes responding to many of your e-mails and Tweets to me:

? Why this differs from a NFL coach like Bobby Petrino or Nick Saban leaving for college football. It doesn't. Those things were outrageous too.

? Why this differs from a coach who gets fired despite having a valid contract with his pro or college team. It does, because teams or schools have to pay a coach who gets fired what he's due under the terms of his contract. If he's got three years and $3 million left, the school has to fork it over.

? Why this differs from the Josh Cribbs story. You may know that I've been on Cribbs' contractual side. He's got three years left on a contract that in 2009 made him the 30th-highest-paid Cleveland Brown, though he was selected the all-pro return man this season. I've written the Browns should do the right thing and give Cribbs, the most dangerous special-teamer in football, a new contract. I feel strongly he should be paid more. But if he is not paid, he needs to live up to the contract he signed. He signed it, it stinks, and he's got to live with it if he can't reach agreement on a new deal.

? Why this differs from the real world. Scores of you believe I'm a Pollyanna about this. I currently have a contract with Sports Illustrated, and another with NBC. If another media company came to me and offered me three times what I'm making, I wouldn't entertain the offer. I want to believe I'm like most Americans -- a contract's a contract.

Except, of course, if you're a college football coach.
 
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its pretty much how i feel....

This Lane Kiffin story really ticks me off.

The gall of Kiffin. The unmitigated, outrageous gall of this kid. And the idiocy of Tennessee apparently giving Kiffin -- when, let's be honest, what options did he have coming off his disastrous 5-15 run with the Raiders? -- an $800,000 buyout after one year of his contract. But I blame Kiffin far more. Tennessee bought out Phil Fulmer's coaching staff, then brought in Kiffin and his staff (including his father, Monte, for a reported $1-million-a-year deal to be a college defensive coordinator) and the minute there's an opening at USC, Lane Kiffin bolts ... in the prime part of recruiting season, a terrible time to hire a coaching staff.

I wonder if Kiffin ever said to a single recruit since getting hired by Tennessee 13-plus months ago, "USC's my dream job, so if it ever opens up, I've got to go?'' Of course not. I'm sure the conversation was something like, "Come to Tennessee, I'm going to be here a long, long time, and we're going to win a national championship together.''

One 7-6 season. After Tennessee rescued a tarnished Kiffin. After Tennessee's athletics department backed Kiffin through six secondary recruiting violations, and after Tennessee backed Kiffin in a potential violation of having campus "hostesses'' make "visits'' to recruits all over the southeast.

And he's rewarded by another institution of higher learning (and I type that with as much sarcasm as I can muster), making him even richer than if he'd stayed at Tennessee .

Where's the decency? The maturity? The gratitude? The simple sense of even a pinch of loyalty?

My favorite part of this story is that Kiffin left Tennessee so hurriedly that he didn't even bother to call his brother-in-law, the brother of his wife, who was also his quarterbacks coach at Tennessee . The New York Times reported David Reaves found out Kiffin was bolting when he saw the news on TV at a local restaurant.

In the past few days, I've learned that I'm really old, because there's not nearly as much outrage as I thought there'd be over this. I'd say my Twitter account has been 60-40 against my anti-Kiffin stance (yes, I did call him "a bum''), believing that as long as he pays the buyout, he's got no obligation to the university beyond that. That's where I'll draw the line in the moral sand. He has an obligation to Tennessee. That school gave Kiffin and his family a life-preserver when he was on the street. Would he have gotten a good coaching job, after Davis booted him out of Oakland? Maybe. An SEC contender's coaching job? I doubt it. And this is how he thanks them.

Interesting column Friday on statecollege.com by Penn State quarterbacks coach Jay Paterno, son of Joe, railing about the state of college football. "This profession has lost touch with the reality of the world around us, and some coaches have lost touch with what the mission of our profession should be,'' Jay Paterno wrote. "We are starting to look as arrogant as the Wall Street bankers raking in seven-figure bonuses. The astronomical explosion in coaching salaries continues at a time of 10 percent unemployment in America and exploding tuition costs burdening working class families ... Coaches walk into a recruit's home and talk about how they will look out for that young man's future. The expectation is that the coach will help to guide him through a very formative time. A year later the same coach is off to another job for more money and left behind are the young men he promised to nurture towards their future.''

That's precisely the way I feel. I hated Brian Kelly skipping out on Cincinnati before its bowl game; I hated the USC staff not returning calls to recruits they'd bombarded with text messages and phone calls for months when Pete Carroll flirted with the Seahawks. But this one is so reprehensible because of Kiffin being rescued by the Vols and leaving after a cup of coffee and tons of broken promises. Now, a few notes responding to many of your e-mails and Tweets to me:

? Why this differs from a NFL coach like Bobby Petrino or Nick Saban leaving for college football. It doesn't. Those things were outrageous too.

? Why this differs from a coach who gets fired despite having a valid contract with his pro or college team. It does, because teams or schools have to pay a coach who gets fired what he's due under the terms of his contract. If he's got three years and $3 million left, the school has to fork it over.

? Why this differs from the Josh Cribbs story. You may know that I've been on Cribbs' contractual side. He's got three years left on a contract that in 2009 made him the 30th-highest-paid Cleveland Brown, though he was selected the all-pro return man this season. I've written the Browns should do the right thing and give Cribbs, the most dangerous special-teamer in football, a new contract. I feel strongly he should be paid more. But if he is not paid, he needs to live up to the contract he signed. He signed it, it stinks, and he's got to live with it if he can't reach agreement on a new deal.

? Why this differs from the real world. Scores of you believe I'm a Pollyanna about this. I currently have a contract with Sports Illustrated, and another with NBC. If another media company came to me and offered me three times what I'm making, I wouldn't entertain the offer. I want to believe I'm like most Americans -- a contract's a contract.

Except, of course, if you're a college football coach.


AR,


Here's hoping that the little snot is an unmitigated failure at USC. Tennessee will be better without this fraud.
 

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They should make College coachs sit out a year if they leave before their contract expires.

redshirt their asses.

It would stop this kind of shit
 

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AR,


Here's hoping that the little snot is an unmitigated failure at USC. Tennessee will be better without this fraud.

roger....

i read a couple of articles from writers outside of tenn. who think that the dooley hiring is a dramatic improvement over kiffin....
 

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roger....

i read a couple of articles from writers outside of tenn. who think that the dooley hiring is a dramatic improvement over kiffin....

I professionalism counts for anything, then Dooley is Kiffen's daddy;)
 

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grow up

grow up

Guys it is the sign of the times, you get a job offer at USC in sunny so. cal. for more $$ and you would stay in Tenn. I do not think so, USC will be just fine ans so will Tenn. Students leave schools all the time why not a coach?
 

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Dumbbet:

Of course, I live in Knoxville, so I know it is hard for me to say that I am objective, but I think we are much better off without Kiffin. I never liked the hire, hated his antics, and was even kicked off radio because I wouldn't buy into his bullshit.

Now you have all the radio dickheads here in town saying they never liked him, so whatever.

Having said that, he did do UT wrong and he is going to pay for it down the line. This fool is becoming the cancer in college coaching. He is a joke, 12-21 career coaching record and has more violations than wins?

Kids don't get rewarded unless they bolt for the NFL, which they cannot do for a couple of years. If the kids want to transfer, they have to sit. They get lied to, fed bullshit story after another, and the coach can leave without punishment.

Bullshit, but again, the joke is on USC:mj07:
 

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Lane Kiffin Scandal Coming: Booze, Ladies, Car Wrecks, NCAA Violations by Larry Burton
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Written on January 18, 2010


Hell may have no wrath like a woman's scorn, but fan wrath is right up there with it. And now angry fans no longer feel the need to try and protect the King Rat and his court.

Stories and photos are coming out, such as the one above showing Lane Kiffin out drinking with Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin, and Kiffin?s brother-in-law David Reaves at a local Knoxville bar, where witnesses say Kiffin was getting cozy with the ladies.

There is also a hushed up story of a car allegedly wrecked by Kiffin, under the influence, with some young ladies in the car. Now that may become public, as well.

Allegedly, Lane Kiffin had female co-eds in a rental car loaned to him through the UT program. Lane Kiffin crashed the car, while possibly intoxicated, and left the scene of the accident by scurrying off with a neighbor who came to his rescue?leaving the ladies to take the fall.

The story goes on to say that someone dropped the loaner car off, which suffered extensive damage. Now the Knoxville car dealership (Lexus) wants their money, since Kiffin plans on jumping ship and neither he nor the school has paid up.

What do you want to bet that car gets magically fixed by Kiffin to help keep it quiet? The problem is that TMZ, a television gossip show, is on the scene in Knoxville and is spreading cash around to anyone with pictures, stories, and proof.

Supposedly, they are building up a whole show's worth of interviews and scandal.

And before it's over, the NCAA may have the last word.

Lane Kiffin allegedly lied before heading off to his destination in Los Angeles, by stating that he will not recruit the players that go to UT unless they call him. The snafu is that his recruiter, Ed Orgeron, slipped up and stated to reporters that they initiated many cell phone calls to some of the 26 Tennessee recruits that they both received commitments from. It has also been stated that Kiffin?s recruiter also told players not to attend spring classes for the week. In addition, students were also offered USC scholarships.

Now the NCAA has come back with their rules stating that a student-athlete that is currently enrolled in one school and then transfers to another must sit out for a year before they will be eligible to compete, and that an institution cannot contact a student-athlete without the permission of the current institution.

Uh oh! These would be penalties that wouldn't affect Tennessee, but would directly affect Kiffin and USC. Kiffin was, in effect, already the head coach of USC at the time these calls were made by his recruiting coordinator, who had just been named to the USC staff, as well.

The school was paying for the cell phones in question, and supposedly, they already have proof from the call records and testimony of athletes to prove this wrong doing did take place.

So not only may USC have hired a scummy coach, they could have bought themselves more NCAA problems, as well. Boy, talk about karma.

TMZ is tracking down other "ladies" who are willing to come forward and tell all for the man who left them just as high and dry. This could be a fun offseason after all, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
 

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Lane Kiffin Scandal Coming: Booze, Ladies, Car Wrecks, NCAA Violations by Larry Burton
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Written on January 18, 2010


Hell may have no wrath like a woman's scorn, but fan wrath is right up there with it. And now angry fans no longer feel the need to try and protect the King Rat and his court.

Stories and photos are coming out, such as the one above showing Lane Kiffin out drinking with Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin, and Kiffin?s brother-in-law David Reaves at a local Knoxville bar, where witnesses say Kiffin was getting cozy with the ladies.

There is also a hushed up story of a car allegedly wrecked by Kiffin, under the influence, with some young ladies in the car. Now that may become public, as well.

Allegedly, Lane Kiffin had female co-eds in a rental car loaned to him through the UT program. Lane Kiffin crashed the car, while possibly intoxicated, and left the scene of the accident by scurrying off with a neighbor who came to his rescue?leaving the ladies to take the fall.

The story goes on to say that someone dropped the loaner car off, which suffered extensive damage. Now the Knoxville car dealership (Lexus) wants their money, since Kiffin plans on jumping ship and neither he nor the school has paid up.

What do you want to bet that car gets magically fixed by Kiffin to help keep it quiet? The problem is that TMZ, a television gossip show, is on the scene in Knoxville and is spreading cash around to anyone with pictures, stories, and proof.

Supposedly, they are building up a whole show's worth of interviews and scandal.

And before it's over, the NCAA may have the last word.

Lane Kiffin allegedly lied before heading off to his destination in Los Angeles, by stating that he will not recruit the players that go to UT unless they call him. The snafu is that his recruiter, Ed Orgeron, slipped up and stated to reporters that they initiated many cell phone calls to some of the 26 Tennessee recruits that they both received commitments from. It has also been stated that Kiffin?s recruiter also told players not to attend spring classes for the week. In addition, students were also offered USC scholarships.

Now the NCAA has come back with their rules stating that a student-athlete that is currently enrolled in one school and then transfers to another must sit out for a year before they will be eligible to compete, and that an institution cannot contact a student-athlete without the permission of the current institution.

Uh oh! These would be penalties that wouldn't affect Tennessee, but would directly affect Kiffin and USC. Kiffin was, in effect, already the head coach of USC at the time these calls were made by his recruiting coordinator, who had just been named to the USC staff, as well.

The school was paying for the cell phones in question, and supposedly, they already have proof from the call records and testimony of athletes to prove this wrong doing did take place.

So not only may USC have hired a scummy coach, they could have bought themselves more NCAA problems, as well. Boy, talk about karma.

TMZ is tracking down other "ladies" who are willing to come forward and tell all for the man who left them just as high and dry. This could be a fun offseason after all, and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


Very interesting article Cie....

FWIW L.A is less then thrilled about the Kiffin hire too. IMO it was a attempt to save this years recruits from signing elsewere...Kiffin and Orgeron
are certainly capable of getting these recruits to sign....Thats the only real thing SC fan's are happy about...It's clear that Kiffin is a scumbag...Now will find out if he can coach

As a SC fan I wanted Sarkisian or a proven young HC... Mendenhall of BYU or Peterson of BSU was my choice...

I think what Kiffin did was so wrong and classless on both jumping ship and all this of Kiffins "good time's" in Knoxville....
 
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