Herman Cain

[Duff Miver]

Was nothing confusing bout these facts---



That would be impossible --unless O drops out .Cain would be only negro candidate and possible 1st negro pres.

If you tell a lie long enough you actual believe it to be true--

--Would wager you believe it was the Dems that pushed civil rights for your family also--

however--

The House version of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by only 61 percent of that Chamber's Democrats versus 80 percent of the Republicans.

More importantly, it was Republicans that ended a Democrat filibuster preventing a vote on this bill in the Senate. 82 percent of Republicans voted for cloture versus 66 percent of Democrats.

In the final Senate vote on the Act, 82 percent of Republicans voted "Aye" versus 69 percent of Democrats.

The same is true for the Voting Rights Act of 1965 when 94 percent of Senate Republicans voted in favor of the bill versus 73 percent of Democrats. The final vote on the House's version was even more stark as only one Senate Republican voted against it compared to seventeen Democrats.

In the House, 82 percent of Republicans supported the bill versus 78 percent of Democrats.

--but if you tell a lie long enough and media supports it--you somehow believe it's true.
You might want to rethink ole whitety and rebs being responsible for your failures.

Cain tells you no excuses/your responsible for your plight
--Gumby/Dems tells you why you failed--its the system--They need to keep you reliant on that tit--
that sent you kurby --:wall: -- AGAIN

Quoting a bunch of stats from the 1960s proves nothing. In those days the deep South was almost entirely Democrat. Racism was rampant, and elected Dems from the South mostly opposed integration and civil rights in general. Think Ross Barnett, George Wallace, Orval Faubus and their henchmen, James Earl Ray, Byron De La Beckwith.*

Today those deep South states are Republican, and they still hate civil rights.

Indeed Lyndon Johnson knew that signing civil rights legislation would cost Dems the South.

"There goes the South for a generation," Lyndon Johnson is said to have predicted as he signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law. Actually, it's been two generations, but otherwise Johnson was dead-on.

Lyndon, himself a southerner, did what was right and just, politics be damned.

Racism is still rampant in the South, but the politicians there are now Repubs. Same doggie, different color. Or, to make it clear for you - same assholes, different party.

In Johnson's day, the clear-headed, responsible people were mostly Republicans, and the narrow minded bigots were mostly Dems. The roles have been reversed.

Speaking of tit-sucking, tell us, doggie, just what good you have contributed to society - other than making insurance cost more by sucking up premium dollars and contributing nothing of value in return.

How 'bout you get your lips off my nipples and get a real job?

* in 1964 I was a student in Jackson, MS, and I met the erstwhile Mr. Beckwith at the home of a gun-nut friend. He openly admitted: "Sure I shot him. That nigger needed killin'." The local authorities never even questioned him.

 

[Trench]

Quoting a bunch of stats from the 1960s proves nothing. In those days the deep South was almost entirely Democrat. Racism was rampant, and elected Dems from the South mostly opposed integration and civil rights in general. Think Ross Barnett, George Wallace, Orval Faubus and their henchmen, James Earl Ray, Byron De La Beckwith.*

Today those deep South states are Republican, and they still hate civil rights.

Indeed Lyndon Johnson knew that signing civil rights legislation would cost Dems the South.

"There goes the South for a generation," Lyndon Johnson is said to have predicted as he signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law. Actually, it's been two generations, but otherwise Johnson was dead-on.

Lyndon, himself a southerner, did what was right and just, politics be damned.

Racism is still rampant in the South, but the politicians there are now Repubs. Same doggie, different color. Or, to make it clear for you - same assholes, different party.

In Johnson's day, the clear-headed, responsible people were mostly Republicans, and the narrow minded bigots were mostly Dems. The roles have been reversed.

Speaking of tit-sucking, tell us, doggie, just what good you have contributed to society - other than making insurance cost more by sucking up premium dollars and contributing nothing of value in return.

How 'bout you get your lips off my nipples and get a real job?

* in 1964 I was a student in Jackson, MS, and I met the erstwhile Mr. Beckwith at the home of a gun-nut friend. He openly admitted: "Sure I shot him. That nigger needed killin'." The local authorities never even questioned him.

It's amusing when those who are ignorant of recent American history attempt to rewrite it, isn't it Duff?

I've had this same argument with conservative friends of mine, who attempt to paint the civil rights movement as a Republican vs. Democrat battle, when the fact is it was a political struggle between the North and South.

Your description was spot on. I have to chuckle when those in this forum who disagree with your politics attempt to portray you as unintelligent. :lol:

 

[Duff Miver]

I have to chuckle when those in this forum who disagree with your politics attempt to portray you as unintelligent. :lol:

Intelligent or not, I was a student back in the good ole days when the study of History was considered worthwhile and teaching was among the most highly respected professions.

As George Santayana said: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to fulfill it"



Lots of truth in that, but thanks for the compliment. Public education was, I think, better in the past. By the time I graduated High School, I could do English, math, physics and biology, find all 50 states on a map, and name all previous Presidents.

I wasn't a genius; my classmates could do that stuff too. Today they can't balance a checkbook or name one of their elected officials. Today the right-wing fruitcakes are trying to destroy teacher unions and the education system in general. When I was a kid, we were the best educated nation on earth. Today we rank....20th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index#Ranking

and we've done that so the doggies and Maggots can save a few pennies on their taxes.

When I was a kid I was a Capitalist. Now I can see the results of that, and I am sad for my youthful stupidity and my country. We have sold our country out for a few more dollars in our pocket today.

Rome lasted a 1500 years, Greece 1000 years, England near 1800 years.

The USA is about done at just over 200.

We are pissing away the greatest opportunity ever seen by mankind.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

He has no answer to Social Security.

Who does?

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Cain's plan is better than nothing. ...which is what we are used to. At the very least it's a starting point. ANYTHING that gets rid of loopholes is a great starting point.

I agree. I am very interested in his 999 Plan. Right now, we get nothing but empty promises.

 

[ssd]

Interesting. We spend more in this country on education than any other, I think, and our skill set is dropping and you think the answer is to throw more money at it.

http://mat.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/

And you rip Dogs for posting stats from the 1960's as irrelevant yet you like to post tax rates from the 60's as an argument that taxes today should be higher?


hmmmm

 

[Duff Miver]

Interesting. We spend more in this country on education than any other, I think, and our skill set is dropping and you think the answer is to throw more money at it.

http://mat.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/

And you rip Dogs for posting stats from the 1960's as irrelevant yet you like to post tax rates from the 60's as an argument that taxes today should be higher?


hmmmm

Doggie is a moron who doesn't understand the mutation of political parties over time. 1960 is not 2011. Apparently neither do you. Try to follow the thread.

Tax rates are numbers, and do not change. It that concept too difficult for you?

Your cute little color chart simply proves that education in the USA lags most developed countries. Why? Because we have denigrated teaching from a respected profession to one which, in the opinion of doggie, attracts only tit-suckers.

No, the answer isn't to throw more money at teaching. The answer is to attract the best and brightest to the profession, and that is done by respecting the value that teachers provide to society. When the doggies and Maggots rant about teachers being overpaid slugs, we drive the best from the profession. Is that concept too tough for you too?

If you've got a better answer to improving education, speak up.

 

[Jaxx]

Are u aware these so called true conservatives u voted for have caused a majority of our debt? Reagan spent us into terrible debt and Bush Jr ran it out of control. Are u also aware that Obama has put this war tab on the bill instead of hiding it like Bush did? Does Florida have news stations like the BBC where u can get pretty straight forward news and not gullible garbage from Right wing radio or the likes of Fox New?. Democrats are also spenders but to sit and hear a bunch of u assholes call yourselves true conservatives but not aware of anything these so called "true conservatives" have done is truly mind boggling. Are u aware that Obama and the first stimulus had a lot of stuff the so called "true conservatives" wanted? They call it a failure but got everything they wanted. :shrug: When guys like u can finally think for yourself we as a nation will finally get out of this mess. Unfortunately there are sharks out there that know this country is littered with nitwits like yourself, which make the sharks laugh all the way to the bank, while u are helping them load up their duffel bags.

I do not understand how a smart individual like yourself and others on here could want bigger government with higher spending, higher taxes. More regulations on business and intrusion into your personal life. And the big kicker want government to run healthcare when they fuckup everything they touch which also leads to higher spending and more government. Somebody has to pay for the shit. Yea the working stiffs. You dont get it. I want less government in every form you can think of. No more stilmulus spending. The money only goes in all the wrong places. Green jobs? Where did the last billion go? Give me a fucking break. .
Obamacare? Yea lets create 16000 irs jobs to enforce and audit new tax information mandated on families and small business. Bigger government. More government intrusion.
Fuck that shit.
And I am the nitwit.
:facepalm:

 

[UGA12]

Interesting

The Georgia outdoor/hunting forum that I visit had a Republican Primary poll thread and the weirdest thing happened. These southern, hick, redneck hunters who are obviously racist voted for Cain at a 67% clip. http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=648936

It really is fun watching all the racist people in this thread tear him down for his skin color though. Keep up the good work hypocrites:0074

 

[Trench]

It really is fun watching all the racist people in this thread tear him down for his skin color though. Keep up the good work hypocrites:0074

Where exactly did that happen in this thread?

I must have missed it... :shrug:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Where exactly did that happen in this thread?

I must have missed it... :shrug:

It didn't. :facepalm:

 

[Cie]

Where exactly did that happen in this thread?

I must have missed it... :shrug:

It didn't. :facepalm:

True, but there have been no racist posts about cain, yet Duff indicated that republicans would have a hard time voting for a black candidate implying that all republicans are racist by nature. Of course, neither of you had a problem with duff's comment. In fact, trench replied in kind.

To UGA's point, we are all hypocritical to some degree. For example, my take is both of you are educated me who are quite tolerant of all races, creeds and ethnicities, with the exception of white southern men. Well, i have some news for you, we are not all dumb, racist, gun-loving, god-fearing, toothless nascar types. In fact, many of us are none of the above.

Jmo.

 

[Cie]

True, but there have been no racist posts about cain, yet Duff indicated that republicans would have a hard time voting for a black candidate implying that all republicans are racist by nature. Of course, neither of you had a problem with duff's comment. In fact, trench replied in kind.

To UGA's point, we are all hypocritical to some degree. For example, my take is both of you are educated me who are quite tolerant of all races, creeds and ethnicities, with the exception of white southern men. Well, i have some news for you, we are not all dumb, racist, gun-loving, god-fearing, toothless nascar types. In fact, many of us are none of the above.

Jmo.

P.S. Uga was probably drinking last night. Us lowly southern men do tend to imbibe when we congregate weekly to plot the demise of all things black and yankee :0074

 

[Cie]

Doggie is a moron who doesn't understand the mutation of political parties over time. 1960 is not 2011. Apparently neither do you. Try to follow the thread.

Tax rates are numbers, and do not change. It that concept too difficult for you?

Your cute little color chart simply proves that education in the USA lags most developed countries. Why? Because we have denigrated teaching from a respected profession to one which, in the opinion of doggie, attracts only tit-suckers.

No, the answer isn't to throw more money at teaching. The answer is to attract the best and brightest to the profession, and that is done by respecting the value that teachers provide to society. When the doggies and Maggots rant about teachers being overpaid slugs, we drive the best from the profession. Is that concept too tough for you too?

If you've got a better answer to improving education, speak up.

I feel you could be an asset to this forum were you to learn how to respectfully address someone who disagrees with you.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

It's amusing when those who are ignorant of recent American history attempt to rewrite it, isn't it Duff?

I've had this same argument with conservative friends of mine, who attempt to paint the civil rights movement as a Republican vs. Democrat battle, when the fact is it was a political struggle between the North and South.

Your description was spot on. I have to chuckle when those in this forum who disagree with your politics attempt to portray you as unintelligent. :lol:

Rewrite history?? Which fact was incorrect--the 1st black president--or voting records of civil rights-- DUH

and on intel level I'd say you muff-tramp=scott would be equals-

As obvious again in this thread --

You all travel in same pack in every thread-(only support you get).

What makes everyone else outside your pack chuckle--

your attemps after--ranting about ole whitey being responsible for your failures/advocating big gov-unions- entitlements redistribuition of wealth/class warfare/every tax increase and gov tit known to man--

--You still try to project yourselves as intelligent/productive elements of society .
While receiving perfect score on the parasite scale.
:SIB

 

[gardenweasel]

not a cain fan...his 999 plan is so simplistic,it`s actually ridiculous....

how can they implement a plan that guts middle class retirees like this one will?....i`m not there yet,but we`re all heading toward retirement,some sooner,some later...

retirees will be devastated by his plan....think retirees living off their savings....the national sales tax will create a huge,new tax burden for them...

their savings have already been taxed when originally earned under the income tax,but they won`t get that benefit when retired...and the dividends they`ve earned have been taxed already...now the sales tax would tax the same earnings again when they buy stuff?....on top of all the state and local sales and peripheral taxes...

most of these folks aren`t rich....how can you put a plan out there without thinking it through?....

no cain for me...i don`t think he`s smart enough...

 

[Duff Miver]

Well, i have some news for you, we are not all dumb, racist, gun-loving, god-fearing, toothless nascar types. In fact, many of us are none of the above.

Jmo.

I never said that all southern white men are dumb, racist, gun-loving, god-fearing, toothless nascar types.

However many are, and enough are, that Southern elected officials often respresent that sort of mentality. Take SC, for example: Senator Jim DeMint and Governor Nikki Haley, both determined to make voting as difficult as possible for poor and/or black folks under the guise of preventing voter fraud when there has never been a documented case of voter fraud in the state.

Take SC's superintendent of Education Nick Zais who refused to accept a $50 million federal education grant while SC schools rank next to last in the nation.

 

[UGA12]

For the past three years it has been an act of racism to disagree with a person of color running for or holding the office of president. What's changed?

 

[Trench]

True, but there have been no racist posts about cain, yet Duff indicated that republicans would have a hard time voting for a black candidate implying that all republicans are racist by nature. Of course, neither of you had a problem with duff's comment. In fact, trench replied in kind.

To UGA's point, we are all hypocritical to some degree. For example, my take is both of you are educated me who are quite tolerant of all races, creeds and ethnicities, with the exception of white southern men. Well, i have some news for you, we are not all dumb, racist, gun-loving, god-fearing, toothless nascar types. In fact, many of us are none of the above.

Jmo.

Really cie?

Please quote where I responded in kind.

Thanks.

 

[gardenweasel]

not a cain fan...his 999 plan is so simplistic,it`s actually ridiculous....

how can they implement a plan that guts middle class retirees like this one will?....i`m not there yet,but we`re all heading toward retirement,some sooner,some later...

retirees will be devastated by his plan....think retirees living off their savings....the national sales tax will create a huge,new tax burden for them...

their savings have already been taxed when originally earned under the income tax,but they won`t get that benefit when retired...and the dividends they`ve earned have been taxed already...now the sales tax would tax the same earnings again when they buy stuff?....on top of all the state and local sales and peripheral taxes...

most of these folks aren`t rich....how can you put a plan out there without thinking it through?....

no cain for me...i don`t think he`s smart enough...

?????....how can you put a plan out there without taking such a large voting block into consideration?...

doesn`t herman realize that somebody on the left is going to figure this out eventually?.......

c`mon man....

there are only two people in the field that have a remote chance of handling obama(and the msm) in a debate format...and they are romney and newt....

if we don`t wake up and relize it`s more importnat to get rid of obama than to demonize our own guys for one reason or another,we`ll lose again...we`ll implode...