Herman Cain

[ssd]

Interesting take on the stats, Duff.

My cute little color charts also shows that the US spends exponentially more on education than other nations that rank higher than the US.

As for tax rates being # and do not change....

I guess the US demographics, social structure and economy has not changed at all since 1960 so we should still have the same exact tax rates from then as well.

:facepalm:

 

[Duff Miver]

I guess the US demographics, social structure and economy has not changed at all since 1960 so we should still have the same exact tax rates from then as well.

:facepalm:

Did I say that? Nope. What I did point out is that we paid off much of the huge WWII debt with tax rates which were much higher than they are now, and the economy prospered greatly at the same time.

Surely you can agree that federal revenue and expenditures should balance over time.

So....either we tax more or spend several trillion/year less. History proves we can tax more without damaging business expansion and a robust economy.

It is a fact, isn't it, that our economy is in the crapper even though we have the lowest federal tax rates in 60 years?

Here, look at facts one more time, then tell me whether decreasing tax rates has improved the economy.

Cutting taxes, obviously does not improve the economy. What does improve the economy is a large middle class which has jobs and money to spend. You're a for-profit businessman, so what would benefit your business most? I'll bet it's more customers with money to spend.

Teachers whose salaries have been cut don't help business, laid-off cops don't help business. Busting unions for lower wages doesn't help business. Creating more multi -millionaires doesn't help your business either.

Which helps you more, JP's $3.2 billion salary, or 144,000 working folks with $3.2 to spend?

 

[The Sponge]

I do not understand how a smart individual like yourself and others on here could want bigger government with higher spending, higher taxes. More regulations on business and intrusion into your personal life. And the big kicker want government to run healthcare when they fuckup everything they touch which also leads to higher spending and more government. Somebody has to pay for the shit. Yea the working stiffs. You dont get it. I want less government in every form you can think of. No more stilmulus spending. The money only goes in all the wrong places. Green jobs? Where did the last billion go? Give me a fucking break. .
Obamacare? Yea lets create 16000 irs jobs to enforce and audit new tax information mandated on families and small business. Bigger government. More government intrusion.
Fuck that shit.
And I am the nitwit.
:facepalm:

U have right wing radio and Fox News shoved so far up ur ass u don't even know any better. U say Gov't doesn't work. That is surprising when one side creates something for the people and the side u vote for does everything to dismantle it. Im sure u don't realize this tho. Now the socialize military seems to run just find because these shitbags u vote for realizes this isn't a union and the military complex has them in their back pocket. You talk about less regulations. I mean how stupid are u? Less Regulations gave us an out of control Wall Street. I give up. Not even worth going on. Guys that are brainwashed like u are the real cancer in this country. Nothing but far right talking points not realizing that everything u are saying has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Nobody likes higher taxes but do u realize that when u start a giant war u can't lower tax rates. A giant war started by the people u voted for that is sucking the life out of this country along with the tax breaks. I have a few chemical companies in my area. should we end the regulations on them so they can make more money? Just let them dump their shit anywhere?

 

[Lumi]

Like a Herman Cain Comin' ?

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[Mags]

I feel you could be an asset to this forum were you to learn how to respectfully address someone who disagrees with you.

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I would even admit it would be interesting and informational to be able to discuss/debate issues with Duff if he'd remain respectful. But, frankly, as soon as the name calling starts, I just tune out his posts and don't even bother reading them.

I'm sure I'm not the only poster that feels/reacts that way. I wouldn't be surprised if even this point results in more name calling, etc.

 

[Duff Miver]

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I would even admit it would be interesting and informational to be able to discuss/debate issues with Duff if he'd remain respectful. But, frankly, as soon as the name calling starts, I just tune out his posts and don't even bother reading them.

I'm sure I'm not the only poster that feels/reacts that way. I wouldn't be surprised if even this point results in more name calling, etc.

It's not possible to discuss anything with you, Maggot, since you don't know anything other than to regurgitate the slogans you've heard.

Go actually learn something, then you'll get the respect you deserve.

 

[Cie]

Really cie?

Please quote where I responded in kind.

Thanks.

My bad. My comprehension skills are greatly limited before 7am. :SIB I hate to be unfair in my criticisms. In this case I clearly was.

 

[Mags]

It's not possible to discuss anything with you, Maggot, since you don't know anything other than to regurgitate the slogans you've heard.

Go actually learn something, then you'll get the respect you deserve.

Translation: if you do not blindly follow my liberal/socialistic agenda, I will continue to call you names.

That's all you got. Liberal agenda and name calling. I guess I can't blame you - that IS the liberal playbook - that's all they got.

 

[ssd]

Sorry, Duff. I have to disagree with your history proves statement.

As far as I am concerned, historical precedent has nothing to do with what we are currently experiencing.

We are at the endgame of a 40 year experiment in debt expansion started in 1971 with the ending of the gold standard. This experiment will end badly.

Once fiat money was introduced, everything got skewed.

To me, the US does not have a revenue problem. I would say they have a revenue collection problem due to an archaic, complex and confusing tax code that caters to special interests. I would also say the US has a spending problem.

I think Cain's proposal is a step in the right direction for this country as I have supported the Fair Tax initiative for a number of years. I believe that lowering the corporate tax rate is a good plan. It will lower retail costs as corporations do not pay taxes - consumers pay the taxes through higher cost of goods. I also think it will allow companies to repatriate funds held outside the country and that, in turn, will spur capital investment and hiring domestically.

Personally, I support Gary Johnson as I have stated here before. He is fiscally conservative and socially moderate or liberal. But, as he is excluded from most polls and debates, I doubt I will get the chance to cast my vote for the man.

I'm tired of the caterwauling and name-calling in here. Makes the threads tough to read. I guess I am tired of it in the main news streams as well.

I don't care if Obama is black- white or a vanilla-chocolate twist cone. I do not like the man's policies. I do not think that makes me or anyone else who disagrees with his positions a racist. What it does do is remove vigorous dialogue from the conversation. There is always the spectre of the race card up of the sleeve being played.

 

[Duff Miver]

Sorry, Duff. I have to disagree with your history proves statement.

As far as I am concerned, historical precedent has nothing to do with what we are currently experiencing.

We are at the endgame of a 40 year experiment in debt expansion started in 1971 with the ending of the gold standard. This experiment will end badly.

Once fiat money was introduced, everything got skewed.

To me, the US does not have a revenue problem. I would say they have a revenue collection problem due to an archaic, complex and confusing tax code that caters to special interests. I would also say the US has a spending problem.

I think Cain's proposal is a step in the right direction for this country as I have supported the Fair Tax initiative for a number of years. I believe that lowering the corporate tax rate is a good plan. It will lower retail costs as corporations do not pay taxes - consumers pay the taxes through higher cost of goods. I also think it will allow companies to repatriate funds held outside the country and that, in turn, will spur capital investment and hiring domestically.

Personally, I support Gary Johnson as I have stated here before. He is fiscally conservative and socially moderate or liberal. But, as he is excluded from most polls and debates, I doubt I will get the chance to cast my vote for the man.

I'm tired of the caterwauling and name-calling in here. Makes the threads tough to read. I guess I am tired of it in the main news streams as well.

I don't care if Obama is black- white or a vanilla-chocolate twist cone. I do not like the man's policies. I do not think that makes me or anyone else who disagrees with his positions a racist. What it does do is remove vigorous dialogue from the conversation. There is always the spectre of the race card up of the sleeve being played.

1. I thought the "gold standard", ie the ready conversion of paper money to gold on demand, ended in 1933. No?

2. I've never said nor implied that you are a racist.

3. The growth of federal debt began in earnest long before 1971. See WWII.

4. Ignore historical precedent at your own peril. See George Santayana.

 

[gjn23]

The 9% Flat tax places a far greater burden on the struggling middle class that it does the Untra Rich.

The 9% Sales tax again places a far stronger burden on the Middle Class than it does the Untra Rich.

Business Flat tax I can't comment on.:shrug:

This is one dangerous guy who will provide the knock out punch:00x2 to the middle class.

all i hear from our current "leader" is that everyone must pay their fair share

what's more fair than everyone paying the exact same % of their income in taxes???

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

My bad. My comprehension skills are greatly limited before 7am. :SIB I hate to be unfair in my criticisms. In this case I clearly was.

Don't feel bad Cie

He asked to show where he did the ole whitey rants like Muffy and Tramp--

I do search and find he did the identity swap and erased all history . :lol:

 

[Duff Miver]

what's more fair than everyone paying the exact same % of their income in taxes???

That's was Warren Buffet is saying. He pays 17% and many of his employees pay 30%

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

--and back on topic--

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...acks_divorce_the_democratic_party_111665.html

Herman Cain to Blacks: Divorce the Democratic Party

By Larry Elder

Cain believes what former slave Booker T. Washington wrote a mere 35 years after slavery ended:
"When a Negro girl learns to cook, to wash dishes, to sew, to write a book, or a Negro boy learns to groom horses, or to grow sweet potatoes, or to produce butter, or to build a house, or to be able to practise medicine, as well or better than some one else, they will be rewarded regardless of race or colour. In the long run, the world is going to have the best, and any difference in race, religion, or previous history will not long keep the world from what it wants.
"I think that the whole future of my race hinges on the question as to whether or not it can make itself of such indispensable value that the people in the town and the state where we reside will feel that our presence is necessary to the happiness and well-being of the community. No man who continues to add something to the material, intellectual, and moral well-being of the place in which he lives is long left without proper reward. This is a great human law which cannot be permanently nullified."

Or, as Cain puts it, "I left the Democrat plantation a long time ago."

 

[Trench]

not a cain fan...his 999 plan is so simplistic,it`s actually ridiculous....

how can they implement a plan that guts middle class retirees like this one will?....i`m not there yet,but we`re all heading toward retirement,some sooner,some later...

retirees will be devastated by his plan....think retirees living off their savings....the national sales tax will create a huge,new tax burden for them...

their savings have already been taxed when originally earned under the income tax,but they won`t get that benefit when retired...and the dividends they`ve earned have been taxed already...now the sales tax would tax the same earnings again when they buy stuff?....on top of all the state and local sales and peripheral taxes...

most of these folks aren`t rich....how can you put a plan out there without thinking it through?....

Believe it or not, I agree with you Weez... good post! :0074

 

[Trench]

Don't feel bad Cie

He asked to show where he did the ole whitey rants like Muffy and Tramp--

I do search and find he did the identity swap and erased all history . :lol:

It's ironic the only reason you come into the political forum anymore is to troll the posts of those you accuse of being trolls. :mj03:

 

[Trench]

My bad. My comprehension skills are greatly limited before 7am. :SIB I hate to be unfair in my criticisms. In this case I clearly was.

Thanks Cie. We all need a Mulligan once in awhile.

 

[gardenweasel]

it`s just a damned shame that conservatives aren`t smart enough to get behind the smartest,most experienced guy...with the exception of huntsman,there are no john mccains(regardless of what idiots like limbaugh say).....we`ll shoot ourselves in the ass arguing over who`s "conservative enough"...and some idiots will actually sit it out because "rush limbaugh" doesn`t like him(i.e. talk radio)....



i`m beginning to think that limbaugh wants obama to win again...maybe he thinks it`s good for business...makes the show easier when you`re on the offensive....true capitalism at work...

my wet dream is gingrich...the guy who`s owned the debates so far......imagine the horror in barry`s heart when he realizes he has to debate newt sans teleprompter on live t.v?......

man,talk about heaven....:lol:

 

[UGA12]

For the past three years it has been an act of racism to disagree with a person of color running for or holding the office of president. What's changed?

Dont worry fellas, it was rhetorical :0074

 

[Skulnik]

all i hear from our current "leader" is that everyone must pay their fair share

what's more fair than everyone paying the exact same % of their income in taxes???

:toast: