High Immigration cities are the safest in US

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I was recently in El Paso, TX, visiting a friend who's lived there all his life. He rarely goes across the border into Juarez now, because that Mexican city is among the most violent in a violent Mexico.

But El Paso if still very safe. In fact, with 18 murders last year it ranked #2 safest in US for years. Baltimore, which has 100K less folks (636,000 residents) had 234 killings last year!

And El Paso is rife with guns, being close to border and in a state where folks love and own lots of guns. Plus, the poverty level in El Paso is over 24%!

All the immigrants in El Paso actually help keep down the crime rate:

"If the immigrant community represents a large proportion of the population, you're likely in one of the country's safer cities. San Diego, Laredo, El Paso?these cities are teeming with immigrants, and they're some of the safest places in the country." ( Jack Levin, criminologist, Northeastern University in Massachusetts)

Rub?n G. Rumbaut, University of California, Irvine:

"The evidence points overwhelmingly to the same conclusion: Rates of crime and conviction for undocumented immigrants are far below those for the native born, and that is especially the case for violent crimes, including murder."

Bureau of Justice Statistics reports number of non-citizens (that includes legal immigrants) in state, local, and federal prisons and jails at about 6.4 percent (warning, pdf--look at tables 15 and 20).

In an NBER working paper, economists Butcher + Piehl opine here that the immigration process itself selects folks with low potential to be criminals. Hispanics especially, unlike the Italians and Irish in previous centuries, who did commit more crimes--and were less welcome here by folks
 

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And then we have this...

And then we have this...

In fact, according to BJS, crime rates in border states have dropped during past decade.

Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."

Crime rates have dropped during past decade in other border states. The BJS data further show that violent crime rates and property crime rates in California, New Mexico, and Texas dropped from 1998 through 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available:

?In California, the violent crime rate dropped from 703.7 in 1998 to 503.8 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 3,639.1 to 2,940.3 during the same period.
?In New Mexico, the violent crime rate dropped from 961.4 in 1998 to 649.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,757.7 to 3,909.2 over the same period.
?In Texas, the violent crime rate dropped from 564.6 in 1998 to 507.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 4,547 to 3,985.6 over the same period.

Cato's Griswold: "t is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." In an April 27 post, Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, wrote that "Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime" and that "drug-related violence along the border is a real problem." But, Griswold continued, "it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." From Griswold's post:

Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime. The murder of an Arizona rancher in March, allegedly by somebody in the country without documentation, galvanized support for the bill.

The death of the rancher was a tragedy, and drug-related violence along the border is a real problem, but it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona.

The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004290029
 

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Good stuff fellas. Now if we could only get congress to come up with a reasonable solution. Our country has way to much hostility. Quit passing the buck for decades!
 

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I was recently in El Paso, TX, visiting a friend who's lived there all his life. He rarely goes across the border into Juarez now, because that Mexican city is among the most violent in a violent Mexico.

But El Paso if still very safe. In fact, with 18 murders last year it ranked #2 safest in US for years. Baltimore, which has 100K less folks (636,000 residents) had 234 killings last year!

And El Paso is rife with guns, being close to border and in a state where folks love and own lots of guns. Plus, the poverty level in El Paso is over 24%!

All the immigrants in El Paso actually help keep down the crime rate:

"If the immigrant community represents a large proportion of the population, you're likely in one of the country's safer cities. San Diego, Laredo, El Paso?these cities are teeming with immigrants, and they're some of the safest places in the country." ( Jack Levin, criminologist, Northeastern University in Massachusetts)

Rub?n G. Rumbaut, University of California, Irvine:

"The evidence points overwhelmingly to the same conclusion: Rates of crime and conviction for undocumented immigrants are far below those for the native born, and that is especially the case for violent crimes, including murder."

Bureau of Justice Statistics reports number of non-citizens (that includes legal immigrants) in state, local, and federal prisons and jails at about 6.4 percent (warning, pdf--look at tables 15 and 20).

In an NBER working paper, economists Butcher + Piehl opine here that the immigration process itself selects folks with low potential to be criminals. Hispanics especially, unlike the Italians and Irish in previous centuries, who did commit more crimes--and were less welcome here by folks

baltimore(maryland) is a sanctuary city/stste....we`re overrun with them...

terry...why are you trying to feign that illegal immigration isn`t an issue?...

you aren`t dooseypots like some on this board...i`m sure you know that these studies are(in many cases) performed to fit the desired conclusion....

illegal immigration isn`t a problem?...c`mon man..
 
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In fact, according to BJS, crime rates in border states have dropped during past decade.

Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."

Crime rates have dropped during past decade in other border states. The BJS data further show that violent crime rates and property crime rates in California, New Mexico, and Texas dropped from 1998 through 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available:

?In California, the violent crime rate dropped from 703.7 in 1998 to 503.8 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 3,639.1 to 2,940.3 during the same period.
?In New Mexico, the violent crime rate dropped from 961.4 in 1998 to 649.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,757.7 to 3,909.2 over the same period.
?In Texas, the violent crime rate dropped from 564.6 in 1998 to 507.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 4,547 to 3,985.6 over the same period.

Cato's Griswold: "t is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." In an April 27 post, Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, wrote that "Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime" and that "drug-related violence along the border is a real problem." But, Griswold continued, "it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." From Griswold's post:

Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime. The murder of an Arizona rancher in March, allegedly by somebody in the country without documentation, galvanized support for the bill.

The death of the rancher was a tragedy, and drug-related violence along the border is a real problem, but it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona.

The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004290029


media matters?...and you guys laugh at fox news sourced information?.....

please...
 

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media matters?...and you guys laugh at fox news sourced information?.....

please...
Ahh... I see. You've gone directly to "The Republican Handbook of Evasive Maneuvers and Talking Points".

Evasive Maneuver #7: When faced with facts and data that don't support your argument, simply discredit the source of the facts and/or data.

Nice play.
 

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Where did it say that illegal immigration isn't a problem? It simply debunks the common myth that increased immigration brings increased crime.

of course it does...why do you think that phoenix has become the #2 kidnapping capital of the world?....

take a wild guess who`s #1....

i guess the drug cartels kidnapping citizens from phoenix,murdering law enforcement officers and smuggling drugs into the u.s. to poison american youth doesn`t count...

i guess that`s why then arizona governor janet napolitano declared a state of emergency due to the illegal immigration problem back in 2005?...

everythings just peachy...riiiight...
 

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Ahh... I see. You've gone directly to "The Republican Handbook of Evasive Maneuvers and Talking Points".

Evasive Maneuver #7: When faced with facts and data that don't support your argument, simply discredit the source of the facts and/or data.

Nice play.

stop being a whiny defender of straw men..."facts"are anathema to media matters....


meda matters is a totally unbiased source?..i can`t even mock that...it`s auto-mocking...
 

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of course it does...why do you think that phoenix has become the #2 kidnapping capital of the world?....

take a wild guess who`s #1....

i guess the drug cartels kidnapping citizens from phoenix,murdering law enforcement officers and smuggling drugs into the u.s. to poison american youth doesn`t count...

i guess that`s why then arizona governor janet napolitano declared a state of emergency due to the illegal immigration problem back in 2005?...

everythings just peachy...riiiight...
OK, you're right... the sky is falling. :rolleyes:

I agree 100% that illegal immigration's a big problem is this country. I don't want to live in a country of 500 million people any more than the average American does. But unlike some of you, I will not demonize an entire race of people for political expediency.
 

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of course it does...why do you think that phoenix has become the #2 kidnapping capital of the world?....

take a wild guess who`s #1....

i guess the drug cartels kidnapping citizens from phoenix,murdering law enforcement officers and smuggling drugs into the u.s. to poison american youth doesn`t count...

i guess that`s why then arizona governor janet napolitano declared a state of emergency due to the illegal immigration problem back in 2005?...

everythings just peachy...riiiight...

I don't know Weisie--they have California the home of illegals protected by liberals--as proof of prosperity. :SIB

"Insanity is making the same mistake over and over yet expecting different results!!!!"
 

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L.A. Teacher Calls for Mexican Revolt in the U.S.

L.A. Teacher Calls for Mexican Revolt in the U.S.

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Too much of this shit happening in CA and AZ, tell me now I am too paranoid !

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WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN.... ? RIP RANDY
 

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Too much of this shit happening in CA and AZ, tell me now I am too paranoid !
When you demonize an entire race of people, they tend to take it personally.

That being said, if anyone comes for my undocumented housemaid (below), I'll shoot 'em too.

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When you demonize an entire race of people, they tend to take it personally.

That being said, if anyone comes for my undocumented housemaid (below), I'll shoot 'em too.

eva-longoria-pictures-07.jpg
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would she have to be paid under the table ?

just wondering
 
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