Hoffmann vs Dimentrenko 17Nov2007

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Hoffmann vs Dimentrenko

This fight is coming up on Saturday. On paper it looks like a simple win for Dimentrenko as Hoffmann has tried and failed every time he's stepped up. However, the question is, is Dimentrenko a step up. I've never been hot about Dimentrenko, he really struggled against Vaughn Bean and he has fought really no-one at all in his career. Apart from Vaughn, Hoffmann is his toughest fight by far. I think it was very reasonable for Universum to go slow with Dimentrenko a) he was young and b) he was stiff as anything. He needed the ring experience. At least against the very overmatched Malcolm Tann, Dimentrenko showed some upper body movement.

However, I see this is a jab-fest, which kind of plays into Hoffmanns hands a bit. Hoffmann has a hopelessly slow right, and his only combination is a jab-straight-right, thrown mostly as a counter. He sits there with his peek a boo defence and then all of a sudden when the coast is clear, he bursts out and throws that one two. It was very effective against Luan Krasniqi, who took a few rounds to figure it out, but utterly useless against the surprisingly mobile Timor Ibragimov, who just kept moving and creaming Hoffmann with left hooks around his peek-a-boo defence. Dimentrenko is not much better style wise and doesnt possess a left hook to save his life. I can see Dimentrenko just pounding away at Hoffmanns arms, getting no-where and then Hoffmann countering. I can see it being a classic total punches vs effective punches fight. It's got SD or MD or DRAW written all over it.

Conclusions. I imagine this fight goes the distance and is a lot closer than people will think it will be. Attractive lines would then be
- Fight goes distance
- Hoffmann plus 9.5 pts
- SD/MD options.

The current lines on betandwin (where i bet) are Dim 1.2 and Hoffman 4. Not much value there. I can imagine Hoffmann trying and failing narrowly again. He's just too limited. Dimentrenko just a tick better. Should he have the misfortune of fighting Chagaev or Ibragimov one day, then I'll enjoy reaping some good profits.

I still havent decided what I'll be backing. As always with heavyweights, I'll be waiting for the weigh-in to decide.

conan

p.s. Virchis is on the card. He's fighting the washed up Robert Hawkins because Virchis absolutely sucked in his last fight and it'd be a risk to give him anything harder. I'll be looking to cash out on Virchis when he fights someone decent again, the bastard owes me money for not knocking out chin-chinned Paulo Vidoz. I'll be backing his opponent.
 

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Hoffmann vs Dimentrenko

This fight is coming up on Saturday. On paper it looks like a simple win for Dimentrenko as Hoffmann has tried and failed every time he's stepped up. However, the question is, is Dimentrenko a step up. I've never been hot about Dimentrenko, he really struggled against Vaughn Bean and he has fought really no-one at all in his career. Apart from Vaughn, Hoffmann is his toughest fight by far. I think it was very reasonable for Universum to go slow with Dimentrenko a) he was young and b) he was stiff as anything. He needed the ring experience. At least against the very overmatched Malcolm Tann, Dimentrenko showed some upper body movement.

However, I see this is a jab-fest, which kind of plays into Hoffmanns hands a bit. Hoffmann has a hopelessly slow right, and his only combination is a jab-straight-right, thrown mostly as a counter. He sits there with his peek a boo defence and then all of a sudden when the coast is clear, he bursts out and throws that one two. It was very effective against Luan Krasniqi, who took a few rounds to figure it out, but utterly useless against the surprisingly mobile Timor Ibragimov, who just kept moving and creaming Hoffmann with left hooks around his peek-a-boo defence. Dimentrenko is not much better style wise and doesnt possess a left hook to save his life. I can see Dimentrenko just pounding away at Hoffmanns arms, getting no-where and then Hoffmann countering. I can see it being a classic total punches vs effective punches fight. It's got SD or MD or DRAW written all over it.

Conclusions. I imagine this fight goes the distance and is a lot closer than people will think it will be. Attractive lines would then be
- Fight goes distance
- Hoffmann plus 9.5 pts
- SD/MD options.

The current lines on betandwin (where i bet) are Dim 1.2 and Hoffman 4. Not much value there. I can imagine Hoffmann trying and failing narrowly again. He's just too limited. Dimentrenko just a tick better. Should he have the misfortune of fighting Chagaev or Ibragimov one day, then I'll enjoy reaping some good profits.

I still havent decided what I'll be backing. As always with heavyweights, I'll be waiting for the weigh-in to decide.

conan

p.s. Virchis is on the card. He's fighting the washed up Robert Hawkins because Virchis absolutely sucked in his last fight and it'd be a risk to give him anything harder. I'll be looking to cash out on Virchis when he fights someone decent again, the bastard owes me money for not knocking out chin-chinned Paulo Vidoz. I'll be backing his opponent.

What about the promoter angle- you'd think the higher powers would want the undefeated Dimitrenko to win bad since Hoffmann is for sure going nowhere. I was ringside for Timor Ibragimov against Brock and Timor was simply pathetic.... Perhaps Hoffmas's pure height and size has helped him overcome his obvious limitations, an advantage he won't have against Dimitrennko. All that being said, I've been building a parlay position in Dimitrenko for some time now for a medium size wager at -200 or so. Vaugh Bean if you look at his record had been a tough out for everyone including Holyfield- Michael Moorer....
 

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Hofmann was very unstable in his last fights.
Against koc he had thrown alot of punches and was very active throwing combos. Against Timor and vidoz he looked horrible, lost, desoriented and slow as ever.
Dimitrenko was standing pretty still in his last three years but he improved in the last year. He filled out physically and is a very fit and good conditioned HW. His power is going up too.
Give me some crazy odds for Sascha inside and i take it. At least thats the plan of Kohl. Coming out party : first boxer to stop Hofmann.
Hofmann was pretty close to getting koed against Vidoz (he was training with my friend Buddy MCgirt for this one go figure ) and Timor.
But if the best possible Hofmann shows up he has a shot to pull the upset.
Is Hofmann still Sauerland promoted ?
Good german domestic fight. Kohl vs Sauerland.
 

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Hofmann was very unstable in his last fights.
Against koc he had thrown alot of punches and was very active throwing combos. Against Timor and vidoz he looked horrible, lost, desoriented and slow as ever.
Dimitrenko was standing pretty still in his last three years but he improved in the last year. He filled out physically and is a very fit and good conditioned HW. His power is going up too.
Give me some crazy odds for Sascha inside and i take it. At least thats the plan of Kohl. Coming out party : first boxer to stop Hofmann.
Hofmann was pretty close to getting koed against Vidoz (he was training with my friend Buddy MCgirt for this one go figure ) and Timor.
But if the best possible Hofmann shows up he has a shot to pull the upset.
Is Hofmann still Sauerland promoted ?
Good german domestic fight. Kohl vs Sauerland.

Dimentrenko has filled out, a lot. I agree his power has gone up, but it is not Vitali Klit power. I counted the punches in round 11 and 12 in the Klt fight and Vitali threw 110 and 120 punches in the last two rounds and couldn't take Hoffmann out. Vidoz is a sneaky puncher and comes at you at different angles, but Sascha is straight up and down. I can see Hoffmann going into his shell, but I cant see him going down.

Hoffmann is still listed on the Sauerland website. www.boxen.com

So I dont see a promoter issue here, its the two big stables against each other. That said, I'm sure Sauerland would like to cash out on Timo.

Vidoz and Timor move, that is bad for Hoffmann. Koc was an easy fight because he doesnt move and has a peekaboo defence that Hoffmann could jab at.

I agree, the best possible Hoffmann could win this and I think Dimentrenkos style makes that more likely.
 
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Dimentrenko has filled out, a lot. I agree his power has gone up, but it is not Vitali Klit power. I counted the punches in round 11 and 12 in the Klt fight and Vitali threw 110 and 120 punches in the last two rounds and couldn't take Hoffmann out. Vidoz is a sneaky puncher and comes at you at different angles, but Sascha is straight up and down. I can see Hoffmann going into his shell, but I cant see him going down.

Hoffmann is still listed on the Sauerland website. www.boxen.com

So I dont see a promoter issue here, its the two big stables against each other. That said, I'm sure Sauerland would like to cash out on Timo.

Vidoz and Timor move, that is bad for Hoffmann. Koc was an easy fight because he doesnt move and has a peekaboo defence that Hoffmann could jab at.

I agree, the best possible Hoffmann could win this and I think Dimentrenkos style makes that more likely.


Oh, great- I've got my mind locked that this is Dimitrenko's fight to lose and I sit on him in a very nice position and you guys are swaying me to give some money back in a hedge. I thought Dimitrenko looks much broader/healthier than Hoffman from the pre-fight hoopla I've seen. I think the 42 plus fights has taking a little starch out of Hoffmann
 

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Oh, great- I've got my mind locked that this is Dimitrenko's fight to lose and I sit on him in a very nice position and you guys are swaying me to give some money back in a hedge. I thought Dimitrenko looks much broader/healthier than Hoffman from the pre-fight hoopla I've seen. I think the 42 plus fights has taking a little starch out of Hoffmann


I've got Dimitrenko in a parlay as well, I assume that the Hoffman backers are just taking a small shot at the big odds. Dimitrenko obviously has the edge in power, since Hoff has none what so ever. Sure it could be a close fight, but Dimitrenko has the advantage in offense and should do enough to get the win. If he loses to Hoffman he has absolutely no future in boxing, but most think he is the goods so I'll take my chances


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I've got Dimitrenko in a parlay as well, I assume that the Hoffman backers are just taking a small shot at the big odds. Dimitrenko obviously has the edge in power, since Hoff has none what so ever. Sure it could be a close fight, but Dimitrenko has the advantage in offense and should do enough to get the win. If he loses to Hoffman he has absolutely no future in boxing, but most think he is the goods so I'll take my chances


gl bl

Agreed and the money is flowing in on Sasha as I think they call him.
 

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Like I said, Hoffmann at 4.0 is not good value. However, I think this fight will be closer than most people think.
 

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I thinke the over looks pretty good in this fight. over 9 40% (bwin)

I agree , Timo was not at his best against Timor and Dimi suits him better stylewise, but still I dont think it will be enough for him.
 

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Hoffman should lose a fairly wide decision. 9-3 or 10-2 type scores. He is big and nothing else. Hoffman is pathetically slow. Dmitrenko has the size to match him and the speed and skills to win the fight.
 

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Wow I dont know if I ever waited so desperately for the rounds to pass...I dont think I will ever bet on the over when either fighter faces a decent puncher again...

Timo is shot and Saschas chin sucks!
 
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