horizon league quarterfinals from milwaukee ........

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horizon tourney bracket:
http://horizonleague.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/05-hori-mbaskbl-tourney.html

home teams held serve in the tuesday campus-site games. lost some money in the opening round. dont anticipate that happening any more the rest of the horizon tourney.

tournament shifts to milwaukee and the matchups are very intriguing. great defensive matchup in the wright/detroit game, and then the chicago rivals meet in the nightcap.

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wright state raiders ( 8-8 / 15-14 )
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detroit titans ( 9-7 / 12-15 )

season series:
1/8/05 in dayton -- wright 63 detroit 57
2/10/05 in detroit -- detroit 71 wright 49

series series notes:
both teams were totally dominant on their home floors in the two matchups. wsu shot 52% in the first meeting (which is almost unheard of on a detroit defense that allows just 41% on the season) and held a +13 edge on the glass. six point final score was deceptive; detroit was playing from behind the entire game. the rematch in detroit was a different story. titans shot 55% from the field, held wright to just 36% shooting and detroit won the battle of the glass with a +12 margin.

who's playing well right now for detroit:
brandon cotton. he's averaging 20.1 ppg his last 6 and just was named the horizon newcomer of the year. simply put- when he plays well, detroit plays well. he went 6 of 16 for 13 pts in the first wright state game. then went 8 of 13 for 20 pts in the rematch.

who's playing well right now for wright state:
these guys are well-balanced. one game its burleson who steps up. the next its wood. and then zakee boyd is tough too. wood is probably playing the best out of any of the raiders. nobody on this team is outstanding. but alot of guys are just solid contributors. detroit will certainly have the best player on the floor with cotton. but wright state's balance is tough.

my take on this one:
first one to 60 wins. and its likely that 55 will be enough to win it. two outstanding defensive teams that are sound in all their defensive principles. both coaches really emphasize that side of the floor. detroit and wsu are 1/2 in the horizon in rebounding margin. both have some guys inside who really get after it. expecting a physical, low-scoring game. detroit is the better team but wright state matches up well with them on a neutral floor. to me, they cant set this total low enough. any total higher than 118 is too much. i know that sounds really low, but 4 of detroit's last 5 horizon tourney games havent cracked the 120-mark. titans allowed 36,55,and 58 points in their 3 tourney games last season. titans are rested and held 4 of their last 6 regular season opponents to 56 pts or less. planning on playing the under here.


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uic flames ( 8-8 / 15-13 )
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loyola ramblers ( 8-8 / 12-16 )

season series:
1/6/05 at loyola -- uic 64 loyola 58
2/17/05 at uic -- loyola 91 uic 85

season series notes:
both teams lost on their home floor. loyola led 23-22 at halftime of the 1st meeting at home. ramblers led by 9 points with 7:00 left but the flames went on a 14-2 run to retake the lead and win the game. cedric banks had just 10 points on 4 of 14 shooting. schilb scored 19 for loyola but was just 6 of 16 himself. at the time, it was uic's 10th straight win over their rival. the rematch was all loyola. uic's defense was incredibly lame and loyola led by 3 at the break and controlled the entire 2nd half. that win ended their 10-gm losing streak to illinois-chicago. schilb struggled again (5 of 12 for 16 points) but dajaun gouard stepped up huge for loyola and went for 31. banks scored 25 for uic but did it on 7 of 20 shooting from the floor.

who's playing well right now for loyola:
theyre pretty much a two-man team. schilb and gourard are the only guys that are really any good. blake schilb has played really well down the stretch. the schilb/gouard duo scored 45 of loyola's 78 pts the other night against youngstown and they were the only two in double figures. schilb had 27 against cleveland state in the regular season finale and gouard had 11 (and again, they were the only 2 in double figures). schilb has scored 20+ in his last 3 games.

who's playing well right now for illinois-chicago:
cedric banks has been pretty much unstoppable down the stretch. over his last 5 games he's averaging 27.8 ppg :scared and scored 39 on wright state 2 weeks ago. whats encouraging for uic is that banks was in a shooting slump for most of the season, but in this current 5-gm stretch he's shot almost 48% from the field. he's finally back to playing like the preseason horizon player of the year.

my take on this one:
theres no doubt that loyola is probably playing the best ball in the horizon right now. and im the last one to cap a game 'on paper', but uic is just so much better than loyola overall. theres a reason the flames had won 10 in a row against their rival before loyola emphatically ended the skid two weeks ago. theres also a reason uic was the preseason co-favorite in the conference. that said, uic's defense has inexplicably been a sieve the last 5 or 6 games. its really been puzzling. the flames have always been a physical, aggressive defensive team capable of locking you down. but to allow 78.5 ppg in the final 6 games to close the season is just unacceptable. then the outside variables have to be factored in. IE posted a great link the other night which spoke of the dissention thats taking place between the uic players:
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181882
shit like this is the reason why uic, who is probably the 2nd most talented team in the conference behind milwaukee, was 8-8 in the league this year. for now, im passing with a definite lean to uic. id like to think these knuckleheads can put their differences aside now that an ncaa tourney berth is on the line. this program is too good to let petty stuff affect the outcome of their season. on paper, loyola is 5 times better than loyola. but ramblers are playing confidently and cohesively. flames are loaded with talent but havent put it all together. on paper, loyola has an edge in size but its incredibly 'soft size'. their interior guys are pussies. i still think uic will take care of business on the floor with a 7 or 8 point win, but ill sit out the 1h to see which uic team shows up.

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predicting:

detroit and the under (but only playing the under)

uic and no clue on total (but sitting it out until halftime)

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yep. grabbed etsu +10 and aside from the final 0:30, it was never in doubt. they owed us a cover thats for sure.
 

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G, DEF owed us a cover...and they redeemed themselves surely enough...im really like UIC tomm, I think this is the case of taking the more TALENTED team in a critical situation...much like ETSU today, the more talented team on paper in this situation will come through, i hope at least lol...gonna wait it out with you
 

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G, DEF owed us a cover...and they redeemed themselves surely enough...im really like UIC tomm, I think this is the case of taking the more TALENTED team in a critical situation...much like ETSU today, the more talented team on paper in this situation will come through, i hope at least lol...gonna wait it out with you

just found this article from the chicago tribune after the cleveland state game. it appears to me that uic knows if they put personal shit aside and bring their A-game, they can get to the big dance. milwaukee would be up next but uic knocked 'em off last year and theres no love lost between the coaches from uic and uwm. flames gotta get by loyola first, but if they do, it would set up a meeting of the preseason #1 vs. #2 in the semifinal.

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The key word in college basketball this month usually is "madness" with a capital M.

But Tuesday night Illinois-Chicago preferred "bonding."

The fifth-seeded Flames (15-13) opened Horizon League tournament play with an 84-65 victory over Cleveland State at the Pavilion.

UIC, led by career leading scorer Cedrick Banks' 23 points, had five players in double figures as it moved to Friday's 7:30 p.m. quarterfinal game against Loyola at U.S. Cellular Arena in Milwaukee.

"I thought we bonded and came together," UIC coach Jimmy Collins said. "We played much better as a team. That in itself is good for me to see?guys moving the ball around, even picking each other up off the floor when they fell."

Banks played 30 minutes, well below his average of 38.5, but made 11 of 12 free throws and was 5 of 9 from the field, including 2 of 3 three-pointers. Freshman Karl White was 6 of 8 from the field and scored 12, while senior Armond Williams, junior Elliott Poole and freshman Kevin Bond had 10 each.

"We just came out and played as a team," Banks said. "It wasn't that some of us were down. We just had to pull it together, and that's what we did."

UIC pulled away in the second half after taking a 45-33 lead at the break. The Flames dominated inside, scoring 48 points in the paint to just 12 for Cleveland State. The Vikings also committed 19 turnovers that led to 30 UIC points.

"No matter how you cut it, that's the ballgame," said Cleveland State coach Mike Garland, whose team improved from 4-25 a year ago.

The Vikings (9-17) played without all-league forward Omari Westley, who was dismissed for violating team rules five games ago. Cleveland State led 26-23 at one point in the first half but experienced a six-minute dry spell. Illinois-Chicago went on a 16-0 run during that time.

The victory sets up this season's third game between UIC and Loyola. The teams split their regular-season schedule, with the Ramblers getting the last victory. UIC is anticipating a different outcome.

"I'm definitely looking forward to playing them because I was a little disappointed with our last performance against them," Poole said.

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1st things 1st for UIC, Collins
Must top Loyola to play UW-Milwaukee


For folks who wonder or worry about such things: No, Illinois-Chicago coach Jimmy Collins is unlikely to offer a postgame handshake to Bruce Pearl if the Flames and Wisconsin-Milwaukee play Saturday in the Horizon League tournament semifinals.

To reach the semifinals, of course, UIC has to beat cross-town rival Loyola for the eighth time in the last nine meetings in Friday night's quarterfinal at U.S. Cellular Arena in Milwaukee.

The Collins-Pearl feud originated when both served as assistant coaches in the Big Ten, Collins at Illinois, Pearl at Iowa.

"It's strictly personal," Collins said after Pearl's team beat UIC 85-75 in January. "Bruce is a heck of a coach. I respect that. But we're personal enemies. I'm not going to shake his hand, and I'm not so sure he wants to shake mine."

Collins hasn't thought about Pearl or the Panthers since the Flames (15-13) knocked off Cleveland State in a first-round tournament game. The coach's focus has been on the Ramblers (12-16), who are riding a five-game winning streak.

Collins likes the quickness and ball-handling ability of his three-guard lineup that starts Rocky Collum, Karl White and league scoring champ Cedrick Banks. But that lineup can create a mismatch in Loyola's favor when 6-foot-7-inch all-conference player Blake Schilb handles the ball at the point.

Collins also has other questions in light of his team losing at home to Loyola in their last meeting.

What if 6-11 Ramblers sophomore Tyrelle Blair brings his "A" game Friday night? He will tower in the post over UIC's 6-7 Elliott Poole and 6-5 Armond Williams.

And who among UIC guards will try to curtail DaJuan Gouard's explosively quick thrusts to the basket? Probably Banks, the Flames' best defender. But will this defensive task detract from Banks' usual brilliance on offense?

Loyola frittered away big leads before it edged last-place Youngstown State 78-75 Tuesday night to advance to the quarterfinal round and another shot at UIC.

"We've looked ahead all year to the Horizon tournament," Schilb said.

"I'm happy just to be able to keep playing," Gouard said. "We got some bad free-throw shooting out of our system. We'll concentrate better against UIC."
 

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Home courts for Horizon tourney.

Home courts for Horizon tourney.

Gman:
I may be wrong, but I think Detroit is hosting their game vs. Wright St., and Loyola(C) is hosting their game vs. Ill. (C). I also believe Wisc(GB) is a host on Sat. as is Wisc(Milw). The sites are determined by the best seeded team in the match-up. Check into it, and I apologize for any confusion if I'm wrong. GL with your plays.
 

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GMAN :clap:

I really appreciate these stellar write-ups as always.... You get a gold star.

I LOVE DETROIT MORE THAN ANYTHING TOMORROW

Just got -2' for a large amt

I'm also never taking Wisc GB ever again in anything....that team sucks major shit. Again...GL and thanks.
 

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dog lover:

just for the sake of using the uic website as the 'final authority' (as opposed to me trying to sound like a know-it-all):

http://uicflames.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030305aaa.html

your part about the game being played at the campus of the higher seeded team is true -- but thats for the championship game. if milwaukee somehow gets knocked off, the horizon tourney would be at the campus of whoever is the higher seed in the title game. but assuming uwm takes care of business, theyll host the tournament and the championship game as well (as the #1 seed)

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manson:

if both teams bring their best game, detroit wins by 6 or 7. when the titans defense comes to play, youll be hard-pressed to find a better defense in the country. theyre that good on that end of the floor. only reason im not laying the points as of now is because i expect it to be such a low-scoring game that detroit might not be able to ever really pull away.

it appears you now share the same belief about uw-green bay as i do: theyre not all theyre cracked up to be.

glad you find the writeups worthwhile. seriously- that makes the time invested in puttin em together worth it. gl friday man.
 
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grabbed detroit under 120.5. really think its way too high. game line went from 3 to 4. i think its moving in the right direction but just dont think theres gonna be enough pts scored in the gm to comfortably lay chalk with detroit.

still gonna wait it out on uic.
 

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gl Gman, im just worried UIC might come out firing and the 2nd half line wiill not be to our advantage...gonna go wit hthe game, gl
 

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Halftime score 26-25 Det.

nice hit kegray. looks like there was a little scoring spurt on both sides in the final few minutes of the half but still stayed under that number for ya w/o too much of a sweat
 

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kegray:

any clue what the shooting was like in the 1h? any foul trouble? anything to note?
 

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I listened to most of it.
It was a struggle to get to that point.
Only 6 fouls called on WSU.
 

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you think detroit wil pull away second half?
i have em for the game, thinking about taking wright second half for more
 
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