House voted this morning to delay Obamacare for one full year

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fatdaddycool said:
PF,
While I have walked a picket line many times, not once did it happen without months and sometimes years of negotiations and it takes both sides not to budge on an issue. Labor contracts are far more comprehensive than the ACA as far as language goes. We still negotiate in good faith. Not a single Republican has come up with a single thing they are willing to negotiate about unless the law is killed in its entirety. There is absolutely zero chance that these tactics would be considered negotiating in good faith in any contractual dispute or negotiation. As a matter of fact, that tactic would be considered unlawful in a contract negotiation and any employer would have to go to court and declare bankruptcy to throw out an entire contract.
Trust me when I tell you that a strike is never the best option, sometimes it is all that union labor has left though. For instance, prior to AA declaring bankruptcy, we were in contract negotiations for five years trying to work out a deal and we didn't strike. Instead, the company decided instead to declare bankruptcy and pay the top 72 executive $380 million in bonuses and cut everyone else's pay and benefits by more than 27%.
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Well good for them. I bet those top 72 went out and built all kinds of factories and other business to help out those that were unemployed. I'm also willing to bet that if they built those factories and started those business they were paying $10 - $12 an hour with zero benefits .
They then bitched that Americans no longer have a strong work ethic.

Sum of a beetch. Whats bad is I'm sure in some areas of this country they would have long lines waiting to apply for these jobs.


The middle class is gone and I don't see much of a chance for it to rebound.
 
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Mags said:
FDC:



If we truly were a country where the majority spoke - and since 85% had coverage and were happy -
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It's really tiresome to have to point out your continuing stupidity, Maggot, but it's a job which needs to be done.

85% of Americans have health insurance. True.

But what you don't say is that much of that health insurance is crap which has high deductables and excludes pre-existing conditions. And....even the shitty policies are expensive.

Why do you hold up 85% as something good? Do you realize the percentage of the population in modern countries like Canada, Switzerland, France, Japan, Germany and others is virtually 100%.

And do you know that deductables and co-payments are low?

And do you know that none of those countries have national debt and budget deficits as large as ours?

Yes, Maggot, they have better health care, cover a greater percentage of the population and it is affordable.

Our health care system which is rife with overcharges, waste, fraud and profiteering sucks compared to the rest of the developed world.

I'll give you just two examples. There are hundreds more: Asthma meds which cost $179 in the USA are, the EXACT same med, $7 OTC in all of Europe. Surgery which costs $85K in the USA is $13 K in Belgium. Facts, Maggot, facts,

SUCKS, SUCKS. Maggot. Just like you.
 
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