How does anyone get to buy 40+ guns?

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But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.

Japanese tourists who fire off a few rounds at the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club would be breaking three separate laws back in Japan?one for holding a handgun, one for possessing unlicensed bullets, and another violation for firing them -- the first of which alone is punishable by one to ten years in jail. Handguns are forbidden absolutely. Small-caliber rifles have been illegal to buy, sell, or transfer since 1971. Anyone who owned a rifle before then is allowed to keep it, but their heirs are required to turn it over to the police once the owner dies.

The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it?s not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel?s landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)


To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you?ll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don?t forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

Even the most basic framework of Japan?s approach to gun ownership is almost the polar opposite of America?s. U.S. gun law begins with the second amendment's affirmation of the ?right of the people to keep and bear arms? and narrows it down from there. Japanese law, however, starts with the 1958 act stating that ?No person shall possess a firearm or firearms or a sword or swords,? later adding a few exceptions. In other words, American law is designed to enshrine access to guns, while Japan starts with the premise of forbidding it. The history of that is complicated, but it's worth noting that U.S. gun law has its roots in resistance to British gun restrictions, whereas some academic literature links the Japanese law to the national campaign to forcibly disarm the samurai, which may partially explain why the 1958 mentions firearms and swords side-by-side.

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even the mafia in japan dont have guns
 

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Good discussion

Good discussion

Banning assault style rifle sales would be a logical start.....who needs an assault rifle for home protection or to take down Bambi and her family? This class of weaponry is made for ONE thing only....

ANY small start on the road to gun reduction would be a positive step in the right direction.

The NRA has too much clout and passes out bushel baskets of money to short sighted greedy politicians....

Go to a big gun show some weekend, theres one in Vegas now.....its amazing, the weaponry that is available...and ammo by the crate.

Someone has to take the bull by the horns....
 

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hey it's 2017, why on earth should we even consider changing something from 1791!?! :shrug:

I'm sure when they wrote this stuff they totally had in mind automatic weapons and maximum damage ammunition. not some musket that took 15 minutes to load and shoot once.


I couldn't agree more. My thoughts exactly.
 

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Why don't we let North Korea have a nuke? The nuke can't kill us on its own.

That's precisely his point. He's implying the problem isn't with weapons. It's with the people that use them. Although, the issue in this country appears to be much more complicated and difficult to resolve. If NK does something incredibly stupid, they will probably be vaporized. Their nuclear arsenal is centralized. Otoh, automatic weapons in this country are everywhere.
 

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That's precisely his point. He's implying the problem isn't with weapons. It's with the people that use them. Although, the issue in this country appears to be much more complicated and difficult to resolve.

So, your point is that PEOPLE and GUNS are the issue? Perhaps we could engineer one out of the equation. Great idea, Budward. I'm all for it.
 

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"the problem isn't with weapons. It's with the people that use them.

What part of this didn't you understand? Seems fairly obvious this country is not going to change the mindset of the NRA, but changing laws to restrict or regulate the type of weapon seems worthwhile.
 
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So, your point is that PEOPLE and GUNS are the issue? Perhaps we could engineer one out of the equation. Great idea, Budward. I'm all for it.

Lets ban box cutters, cars, knives, anything else that can hurt you. My point WHN is that its not the guns that commit the crime its the person who uses it. How do we regulate psycho's?
 

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Lets ban box cutters, cars, knives, anything else that can hurt you. My point WHN is that its not the guns that commit the crime its the person who uses it. How do we regulate psycho's?

Box cutters, cars, and knives all have a main purpose which is practical for every day life. Their main and only purpose isn't to kill and bring maximum damage to things like with guns.

I don't think all guns should be banned. It isn't a realistic solution. It's an epidemic that is so far out of control it just needs managing now and more strictly regulating. If you want to hunt and protect your home you should be able to. You don't need an Arsenal of automatic military weapons to do so. You do not need the same weapons used in fucking WAR.

All the things you named also probably have more strict regulations than guns. Which is mental.

You get in serious trouble operating a vehicle when you're wasted. Even sitting in the drivers seat with the car not moving gets you into trouble right?

Any rules on being hammered and carrying around a pistol on your hip?
 

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if you try and take away my guns i will come at you FULL FORCE. you better believe it. i was born in america and i am an amaerican and I know my rights.

Well, here's the deal, Carl:

I own lots of guns. I have friends who own a hundred.

None of us, not one, would have a problem with gun registration and control. In fact for several years I had a Federal Firearms license to sell guns at retail. Every gun I ever touched is registered.

The fact the you are an amaerican (which you cannot even spell) means nothing. I support Americans right to own guns. I also support background checks and limits. If you cannot pass an FBI background check, you should not, ever, own a gun.

I can pass. If you cannot pass, then FUCK the Second Amendment.

You are a potential criminal.

Shove the 2nd up your ass.
 

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Lets ban box cutters, cars, knives, anything else that can hurt you. My point WHN is that its not the guns that commit the crime its the person who uses it. How do we regulate psycho's?

It's pretty simple. You want to own guns, pass an FBI BACKGROUND CHECK.

That won't stop every crazy, but it will stop most..
 
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