How does anyone get to buy 40+ guns?

WhatsHisNuts

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Lets ban box cutters, cars, knives, anything else that can hurt you. My point WHN is that its not the guns that commit the crime its the person who uses it. How do we regulate psycho's?

Box cutters are not designed to kill. Neither are cars. Knives serve multiple purpose and we feel safe enough around them that we don't lock them away from children. Your argument is BS. You regulate psychos with guns by engineering out the guns part. Pretty fucking simple. See rest of the civilized world for examples of how it works.
 

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Las Vegas Gunman Chased Gambling?s Payouts and Perks


LAS VEGAS ? The video poker machines that Stephen Paddock liked were the ones that did not draw attention. They had few look-at-me flashing lights or listen-to-me bells.

He would sit in front of them for hours, often wagering more than $100 a hand. The way he played ? instinctually, decisively, calculatingly, silently, with little movement beyond his shifting eyes and nimble fingers ? meant he could play several hundred hands an hour. Casino hosts knew him well.

?Not a lot of smiles and friendliness,? said John Weinreich, who was an executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, Nev., where Mr. Paddock was once a regular and where he met his girlfriend. ?There was not a lot of body movement except for his hands.?

His methodical style and his skill level allowed him to gamble, and occasionally win, tens of thousands of dollars in one sitting, collecting payouts and hotel perks in big bunches. Last week, as a reward for his loyalty and gambling, Mr. Paddock stayed free of charge on the 32nd floor in one of the elite suites of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, one of his favorite places to play.

On Sunday night, using an arsenal of rifles he secretly shuttled in and shooting through windows he broke, Mr. Paddock, 64, sprayed gunfire into a concert crowd across South Las Vegas Boulevard. When it was over, 58 people were dead, plus Mr. Paddock, who killed himself in the room as police teams moved in. About 500 were injured by bullets or in the panic to escape the barrage.

Stephen Paddock, Las Vegas Suspect, Was a Gambler Who Drew Little Attention OCT. 2, 2017

That the attack was launched from a glassy tower of one of Las Vegas?s most prestigious casinos was not a coincidence. A defining aspect of Mr. Paddock?s life involved gambling, and he hungered for the kinds of rewards that only the Las Vegas Strip could provide.

Just three days before he opened fire from the Mandalay Bay, he was seen playing video poker in its casino.

Mr. Paddock was not widely known among the city?s serious gamblers, operating at a level below the highest rollers. He was not a whale, the term used for the biggest gamblers. But placing bets of $100 or more in video poker, ?this guy was gambling high,? said Anthony Curtis, a former professional gambler and currently the owner and publisher of Las Vegas Advisor, a website covering the casino business.

Mr. Paddock once owned and managed an apartment complex near Dallas, and he has been described by some as a wealthy retiree. People who knew him were under the impression that he was a profitable gambler, or that he at least won often enough to make his casino lifestyle worthwhile.

According to a person who has reviewed Mr. Paddock?s gambling history, and who requested anonymity because the information was part of an active police investigation, dozens of ?currency transaction reports,? which casinos must send the federal government for transactions greater than $10,000, were filed in Mr. Paddock?s name. Mr. Paddock had six-figure credit lines at casinos that afforded him the chance to make big sums in long sit-down sessions, and he was known as someone who always paid his accounts. His rooms were often comped, meaning given to him free, including this past weekend at Mandalay Bay, according to the person familiar with his history.

He was there to play, not to party. The night before the shooting, Mr. Paddock made two complaints to the hotel about noise coming from his downstairs neighbors: Albert Garzon, a restaurant owner visiting from San Diego, and his wife and friends. Mr. Garzon, who was staying in 31-135, directly beneath Mr. Paddock, said security guards knocked on his door around 1:30 a.m. on Sunday and asked him to turn down his music, country songs. When he asked where the complaint was coming from, pointing out that the nearest rooms on either side were far away, the security guard said, ?It?s the guest above you.?

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Stephen Paddock, the gunman in the Las Vegas massacre, would sit for hours at the machines, often at more than $100 a hand. Credit Eric Thayer for The New York Times
They turned the music down, but had another visit from different security guards half an hour later. The man had called to complain again. Mr. Garzon turned the music off. It wasn?t until the early hours of Monday that Mr. Garzon realized Mr. Paddock had been the complainer.

?I looked up and I could see his curtain flapping in the wind,? he said.

At the Atlantis in Reno, Mr. Paddock would often move to a machine when somebody using it got up to take a break. ?That would annoy people and he did not seem to care at all,? Mr. Weinreich said. ?He acted like ?these machines are for me.??

Mr. Paddock was also a ?starer,? Mr. Weinreich said.

?He loved to stare at other people playing,? he said. ?It was not a good thing because it would make other VIPs in the high-limit area uncomfortable.?

?One of my guests once said to me, ?He really gives me the creeps.??

At Mandalay Bay, Mr. Paddock played the video poker machines located in a relatively quiet room labeled ?High Limit Slots,? set aside from the jangly machines on the vast casino floor. The room has its own attendants, working behind a desk, and its own restrooms, to keep gamblers close.

The relative anonymity fit his personality in many ways ? a solitary pursuit that exercised his calculating mind.

?He was a math guy,? Eric Paddock, his youngest brother, said. ?He could tell you off the top of his head what the odds were down to a tenth of a percent on whatever machine he was playing. He studied it like it was a Ph.D. thing. It was not silly gambling. It was work.?

Video poker receives less attention than poker at the tables, which has garnered fame and riches for those who compete in tournaments such as the World Series of Poker. Video poker shares some of the same parameters ? players looking for winning combinations of cards, from pairs and full houses to straights and flushes. But it is a vastly different game.


?Video poker is the crack cocaine of gambling,? Mr. Curtis said.

There are no opponents. There is no bluffing or worrying about competitors? hands. Generally, five cards are drawn from a refreshed 52-card virtual deck ? instantly on the video screen ? and players decide which ones to ?hold,? or keep, and which ones to exchange for new cards. Players calculate the possibilities remaining in the 47 other cards.

A pair of jacks or better might earn the bet back, a ?wash? for the player. A royal flush might pay 400 times the bet ? perhaps a $50,000 payout on a $125 wager.

For experts like Mr. Paddock, who had played the game for 25 years, his brother said, each hand required only a few seconds of time. Ten hands could be played in a minute. The computer kept track of the financial tally.

It is a game of coldly calculated probabilities, played without hunches or emotion.

?Gut feel has nothing to do with it,? said Bob Dancer, a professional video poker player in Las Vegas who has written 10 books on the subject. ?If I have a feeling that says, ?I?m going for another heart,? then I will lie down until the feeling goes away.?

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The casino floor at Mandalay Bay on Tuesday. Mr. Paddock played the video poker machines located in a relatively quiet room labeled ?High Limit Slots.? Credit Eric Thayer for The New York Times
The top machines at Mandalay Bay pay out 99.17 percent, or $99.17 for every $100 wagered, according to Mr. Curtis. If Mr. Paddock did wind up a net loser, those losses could be offset, in part, by comps, or ?kickback rewards,? essentially free money casinos give loyal customers to gamble with. The more that players play, the more they earn in comps. And casinos offer an ever-changing menu of promotions that can cut the expected losses a fraction further.

?If you get close to 100 percent ? that?s where he gambled,? Eric Paddock said. ?It?s not just the machine. It?s the comps, it?s the room. It?s the 50-year-old port that costs $500 a glass. You add all that stuff together and his net is better than 100 percent.?

Those types of perks were one reason Mr. Paddock drove nearly 90 minutes from his home in Mesquite, Nev., to Las Vegas for high-stakes gambling. He also visited Mesquite?s more modest casinos, but was not known for gambling big sums there.

?Paddock did not play at a level of significance with us,? Andre Carrier, chief operating officer of Eureka Casino Resort in Mesquite, said in an email. ?From all of my discussion with my colleagues it appears Paddock existed in our casino as he did in his neighborhood: as someone not well known by anyone.?

He was better known around a few high-limit rooms of the Las Vegas Strip, including at Mandalay Bay and the Wynn Las Vegas. In May, Mr. Paddock invited his brother Eric and his nephew, who is in his 20s, to a weekend at Wynn, where he had achieved ?Chairman?s Club? status, his brother said. They feasted on expensive sushi and saw a show. Mr. Paddock said his brother had seen it so many times that he noticed that one of the performers was an alternate.

In 2012, Mr. Paddock sued the owner of The Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas, a resort and casino on the Strip, for negligence, saying that he ?slipped and fell on an obstruction on the floor? while he was a customer there in 2011, resulting in $30,600 in medical expenses.

The owner of The Cosmopolitan disputed many of Mr. Paddock?s allegations, and a judge dismissed the lawsuit in 2014, according to court records.

Mr. Paddock also had a home in Reno, where he played at the Atlantis. There he met Marilou Danley, his girlfriend, when she worked enlisting gamblers to sign up for frequent-customer cards, before she became a high-limit slot hostess, said Mr. Weinreich.

Mr. Weinreich noted that Mr. Paddock was generally hard to discern. ?He was pretty statuesque in that he was stoic and stern,? he said.

Mr. Paddock gambled as he lived, his brother said ? methodically, always weighing the odds. He was cautious and liked to plan ahead, Eric Paddock said, and didn?t like leaving things to chance. He always carried two cellphones, each with a different carrier, in case one network was down.

Mr. Paddock was in the high-limit room at Mandalay Bay last Thursday night, playing a machine that allowed him to bet $100 with each deal of the virtual cards. Nearby, another customer hit a big hand and rose excitedly from his chair. He recalled how his enthusiasm caused Mr. Paddock to pause and turn.

?What?d you hit?? Mr. Paddock asked.

?A royal flush,? the man said.

?Good job,? Mr. Paddock replied. And he went back to playing.
 

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Well, here's the deal, Carl:

I own lots of guns. I have friends who own a hundred.

None of us, not one, would have a problem with gun registration and control. In fact for several years I had a Federal Firearms license to sell guns at retail. Every gun I ever touched is registered.

The fact the you are an amaerican (which you cannot even spell) means nothing. I support Americans right to own guns. I also support background checks and limits. If you cannot pass an FBI background check, you should not, ever, own a gun.

I can pass. If you cannot pass, then FUCK the Second Amendment.

You are a potential criminal.

Shove the 2nd up your ass.

I agree with you except I dont believe anyone need an AR for hunting or home protection and they should be band.

As far as FBI checks I like the idea, however it wouldnt have helped in Vegas. This guy would have passed with flying colors.
 

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1st of all I don't think anybodys realistic solution is to shut down all gun stores and take away all the guns. That won't happen. The issue is too big and out of control for a solution like that. Plus people are too ape shit about loving their guns, theyd have an aneurysm if that was a solution put forward.

What probably would make sense is eliminating the selling of automatic rifles and high powered ammunition. As well as accessories that make your weapon automatic.

IMO if you need a gun you need it for 1 of 2 things. Hunting or protecting your home. Who needs a fucking high powered assault rifle to hunt or protect their home?

And yes ignorance is deadly. Take a look at what other countries do and have implemented for the control of guns. They just don't have some ass backwards thinking that we should fully enforce regulations built in 1790s. They adapt and react to the world as it changes.

And yeah let's just arm everyone. I'm sure that'll result in less crime. It couldn't possibly result in more gun deaths when hotheads now all have guns so the littlest thing sets them off. I'm sure cooler heads would prevail and we wouldn't get shootings out of rage.

Have you not read anything about the road rage in Philadelphia where a guy gunned down a girl for cutting him off or not letting him merge? Yeah we need everyone to be toting a firearm.


:facepalm:


Great post!
 

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if you try and take away my guns i will come at you FULL FORCE. you better believe it. i was born in america and i am an amaerican and I know my rights.

You're an "amaerican"?

You should be banned for life from gun ownership based on incurable stupidity.

But, if you want to come at me "full force', have at it. I'm actually a trained and experienced gun owner who can handle a gun, and I can drop you before you can wet your pants.
 

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You're an "amaerican"?

You should be banned for life from gun ownership based on incurable stupidity.

But, if you want to come at me "full force', have at it. I'm actually a trained and experienced gun owner who can handle a gun, and I can drop you before you can wet your pants.

You do know it's just Joker trolling you, right?
 

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so the NRA says you know maybe we should ban them shoulder bank things that Paddock used on all his guns. They make a AR 15 fully auto.


so of course the gun nuts in America have all gone and bought one and they are sold out.

Its sick.


They need to ban AR 15 type guns not just the shoulder banks.


this will never end
 

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so the NRA says you know maybe we should ban them shoulder bank things that Paddock used on all his guns. They make a AR 15 fully auto.


so of course the gun nuts in America have all gone and bought one and they are sold out.

Its sick.


They need to ban AR 15 type guns not just the shoulder banks.


this will never end

This is a pretty good point that is being overlooked. If you are one of the low lifes that went out and bought one of these things out of fear they will be banned then you are part of the problem. I hope those people all fall on some sort of watch list somewhere.
 

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This is a pretty good point that is being overlooked. If you are one of the low lifes that went out and bought one of these things out of fear they will be banned then you are part of the problem. I hope those people all fall on some sort of watch list somewhere.

Well, penguin, I agree with you.

But, the question for you is: Has the FBI caught up with you yet for threatening the President on a public forum?

Not yet?

I guess they have a large backlog.

But they will get to you. Any day now.
 

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Don't forget the old tired argument about Nazi Germany and gun control. Which is a misleading and very simplistic. As if having a few guns would work with the Gestapo/SS everywhere with their index cards. No one should be able to own military type weapons, PERIOD.
 
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