.....after watching thousands of 18 years olds (who couldn't find Irag on a map) with 37 piercings in their face stage "die ins" and "vomit ins" and protest this war in Iraq and our leadership here in the US , I am now able to watch the citzens of Irag walking in the streets with placards and signs proclaiming Bush a hero and thanking US for their freedom.
How ironic....
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along with thousands of others in Basra, stealing, looting, raping, murdering, stoning. Good to see what they do with their freedom.:nono:
nice to see the republican guard being looted...
that looting/law in your own hands is all part of it.....seems to me another democracy grew up that way especially west of the Mississippi....
yeah thats why they are cheering Stevie D....because we have guns and food....lol...if that is why you think then you are seriously out of touch with any kind of reality
that looting/law in your own hands is all part of it.....seems to me another democracy grew up that way especially west of the Mississippi....
yeah thats why they are cheering Stevie D....because we have guns and food....lol...if that is why you think then you are seriously out of touch with any kind of reality
StevieD said:
wow!!! you just have to shit on everything that is positive don't you. how old are you?
what motivates them to take their shoes off and pound pictures and statues of Hussein StevieD?
is that food and guns too?
how about the Kurds in N Iraq? They have guns and food themselves yet they are chanting "Bush is our hero"
what prompts them to do such a thing???
Bush gets more respect from them then he does at home....unbelievable
is that food and guns too?
how about the Kurds in N Iraq? They have guns and food themselves yet they are chanting "Bush is our hero"
what prompts them to do such a thing???
Bush gets more respect from them then he does at home....unbelievable
Stevie, you probably ain't left the North-East in your life.
Shit, man, get a grip on life. Get out in the real world once in a while before giving an opinion on international policy.
Nobody's saying that this was a cure-all. You don't have to make sure that once things go south a little that you said "Told you so".
Geez, these radical leftists give liberals a bad name.
Shit, man, get a grip on life. Get out in the real world once in a while before giving an opinion on international policy.
Nobody's saying that this was a cure-all. You don't have to make sure that once things go south a little that you said "Told you so".
Geez, these radical leftists give liberals a bad name.
Maybe SteveD is just saying that the crowd that toppled the statue may be no more indicative of the Iraqi's people's feelings than the hundreds of thousands of anti-war protesters represent the feelings of the American people.
In the last 24 hours, the Kurds have taken over Kirkuk against our wishes and the exile that we wanted to be a local leader in Najaf was murdered in broad daylight. Hardly sounds as if the people are all on board with the US policy.
Getting into Baghdad is only the beginning, we have no WMDs, no explanation for the Republican Guard and no infrastructure for a government to take over. The easy part is over.
Definitely a historical day but not a victorious day.
In the last 24 hours, the Kurds have taken over Kirkuk against our wishes and the exile that we wanted to be a local leader in Najaf was murdered in broad daylight. Hardly sounds as if the people are all on board with the US policy.
Getting into Baghdad is only the beginning, we have no WMDs, no explanation for the Republican Guard and no infrastructure for a government to take over. The easy part is over.
Definitely a historical day but not a victorious day.
lest we judge iraqis a little too harshly for all the looting, what do you think would happen in new york or los angeles if you wiped out all of the law enforcement overnight?
dr. freeze, actually i was interested in the significance of the shoe thing, as every time i looked at tv i saw an iragi hitting a picture of saddam with a shoe or throwing a shoe at a staute of saddam. i asked a friend of mine of middle eastern descent (yep i got some) and he told me that is a form of demonstrative insult in those parts, the idea being that a shoe is the nastiest thing you can hit someone with by virtue of being associated with the feet and what they tread on. i just thought that was interesting.
dr. freeze, actually i was interested in the significance of the shoe thing, as every time i looked at tv i saw an iragi hitting a picture of saddam with a shoe or throwing a shoe at a staute of saddam. i asked a friend of mine of middle eastern descent (yep i got some) and he told me that is a form of demonstrative insult in those parts, the idea being that a shoe is the nastiest thing you can hit someone with by virtue of being associated with the feet and what they tread on. i just thought that was interesting.
loophole said:
I don't see this as looting. The people are taking what is rightfully theirs. They are in goverment bldgs and palaces where Saddam stole from the people to build his luxury.
As soon as the oil money starts flowing with no restrictions all the tables and chairs can be replaced.
I find it funny how Russia , France, and Germany are meeting this weekend to discuss UN involvement in restoration. What they are really worried about is how to get their big oil contracts back the way they were. Its all about the money. Always is and always will be. The dirty bastids.
Scott King of Dogs
I was once a liberal & was in plenty of peace marches in the 60's, until a kid in my neighborhood died in viet nam.The war hit home. I voted for carter in 1976, only to find out once he was in office that he was in over his head as president.I watched him mishandle the iran hostage situation & where foreign countries neither respected or feared the US. I witnessed a gas shortage under his administration, & saw interest rates sky rocket under his leadership.After his 4 years it was very evident that carter was better suited to be a social worker than president. I didn't learn my lesson with carter, so I voted for david dinkins, another liberal, for mayor of NY. Under his leadership I watched crime skyrocketed & did absolutely nothing about fighting it. He like carter was in over his head, & that is how liberal politicians are seen by the American people, especially after 9/11.
So the kidwhocould, I laugh when you commented about StevieD that he "always have to shit on everything positive".That is what liberals do. They never see anything positive about our gov't. or about a political situation.They live in an utopia world where they believe gov'ts. can negotiate with the likes of saddam.They don't understand that most dictators & religious fundalmentalists only understand one thing, & that is force.And kid, there is nothing you could do about it. Liberals rather view the glass as half empty, then half full.
Shamrock,
Do you think that the reason the iraqi people are behaving as they are is because they have lived in fear & have been afraid to express their feelings & beliefs for 30 years? I got news for you most people would behave the same.
Bobby,
Do you expect the allies to look for wmd while bombs & missiles are falling all around? Do you really think that wmd will not be found ? Yesterday the marines discovered what might be a site where iraq was developing nuclear weapons. Today the marines discovered a mobile wmd site, that Powell spoke about during his presentation in front of the un. We have to give the military a chance to take care of the bad guys first, before there can be a complete "easter egg hunt" for wmd.
Listening to some commentators & reading the posts of some of the people at this site & other sites, it seems that there are people who are actually hoping for the allies to fail. I find that amazing because of what is at stake in this battle to fight terrorism.
So the kidwhocould, I laugh when you commented about StevieD that he "always have to shit on everything positive".That is what liberals do. They never see anything positive about our gov't. or about a political situation.They live in an utopia world where they believe gov'ts. can negotiate with the likes of saddam.They don't understand that most dictators & religious fundalmentalists only understand one thing, & that is force.And kid, there is nothing you could do about it. Liberals rather view the glass as half empty, then half full.
Shamrock,
Do you think that the reason the iraqi people are behaving as they are is because they have lived in fear & have been afraid to express their feelings & beliefs for 30 years? I got news for you most people would behave the same.
Bobby,
Do you expect the allies to look for wmd while bombs & missiles are falling all around? Do you really think that wmd will not be found ? Yesterday the marines discovered what might be a site where iraq was developing nuclear weapons. Today the marines discovered a mobile wmd site, that Powell spoke about during his presentation in front of the un. We have to give the military a chance to take care of the bad guys first, before there can be a complete "easter egg hunt" for wmd.
Listening to some commentators & reading the posts of some of the people at this site & other sites, it seems that there are people who are actually hoping for the allies to fail. I find that amazing because of what is at stake in this battle to fight terrorism.
now that the war is seemingly winding down and the iraqis have their liberty back....thank goodness....a few questions that came to mind today....
1) if it is truly a democracy for the iraqis....why do i hear some politicians saying that the U.S. should have a say in whoever ends up taking over since it was "our blood sweat and tears" that led to this victory....and for that matter....why should the U.N....doesn't democracy also entail freedom for these masses to do what they want in terms of their ruler???
2) what would happen if the iraqis chose anarchy instead....and not an elected government???
3) and....as a more likely scenario....what if the leader they decide on is a nice enough guy who refrains from killing thousands of the opposition tribes....BUT....preaches anti-western sentiments....which could very well be the case....will this be allowed, i wonder???
just more food for thought....
by the way....i am neither liberal nor republican....nor am i pro-any kinda party....come to think of it....*L*
1) if it is truly a democracy for the iraqis....why do i hear some politicians saying that the U.S. should have a say in whoever ends up taking over since it was "our blood sweat and tears" that led to this victory....and for that matter....why should the U.N....doesn't democracy also entail freedom for these masses to do what they want in terms of their ruler???
2) what would happen if the iraqis chose anarchy instead....and not an elected government???
3) and....as a more likely scenario....what if the leader they decide on is a nice enough guy who refrains from killing thousands of the opposition tribes....BUT....preaches anti-western sentiments....which could very well be the case....will this be allowed, i wonder???
just more food for thought....
by the way....i am neither liberal nor republican....nor am i pro-any kinda party....come to think of it....*L*
There will be no democracy in Iraq no matter how long we stay there unless it is attained at the barrel of a gun. No one should be so naive as to think that all the problems in the Middle East are solved now. We have simply removed one cancer. There are more.
Ferdville you are so right. Before Saddam they were fighting and killing. It's been a thing over there for few 100 years now. I said GI's handing out candy bars will win more friends then anything else we can do from here on. Im waitng to see what happens. So far the story of why were there keeps changing. Because of that I have no idea what happens next 6 months. It is funny we have folks kissing Bush in Iraq. And the rest of the Arab world other then maybe two countries throw rocks and call him evil. That can happen in Iraq to if were not careful. There memories are long.
ChrryBlstr said:
The absolute worst thing that could happen is for whoever is elected turns out to be someone anti american. Bush would never live this down. He would hear oh yeh George W he kicked Sadams butt and then had to go back in to get out another guy intent on killing americans.
Bush will not allow that to happen. We have a certain amount of control now about what goes on. Brits Aussies and USA should have the biggest say in the matter. We put our troops lives at stake. Where was Francie ? sitting home worried about their oil contracts and billions of lost revenue with Sadamm.
The worst thing that could happen now is for US to go any further. If George goes off his rocker and trys to go into Syria or Iran ... Big troubles and world consequences.....
Scott King of Dogs
ferdville:
totally agree....which is why i was against the principles of the war from the outset....not to mention the countless number of lives lost....but....that should go without saying!!!
scotty:
Bush will not allow that to happen. We have a certain amount of control now about what goes on. Brits Aussies and USA should have the biggest say in the matter. We put our troops lives at stake.
that's what i was thinking....BUT....isn't THAT the point....what type of democracy would it be when there are restrictions imposed by other countries....it just makes no sense!!!
totally agree....which is why i was against the principles of the war from the outset....not to mention the countless number of lives lost....but....that should go without saying!!!
scotty:
Bush will not allow that to happen. We have a certain amount of control now about what goes on. Brits Aussies and USA should have the biggest say in the matter. We put our troops lives at stake.
that's what i was thinking....BUT....isn't THAT the point....what type of democracy would it be when there are restrictions imposed by other countries....it just makes no sense!!!
