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[kosar]

Regarding 'impeders.' Just as using the 'media' as an excuse for the Iraqi debacle, this is a red herring.

I don't care for the ACLU, but they have no bearing on how this thing will inevitably play out. Same with the media. As mentioned numerous times, the media collectively was a big cheerleader the first few months of the war.

Not a peep from you guys about the lack of troops, lack of a plan, lack of anything. Just a bunch of whining about the ACLU which has nothing to do with anything.

It's annoying that they, and others, whine about prisoner treatment in Gitmo, but in the long run it's irrelevant.

GW complains that people talk about Iraq too much, yet I guess what the ACLU does is of the utmost importance?

 

[gardenweasel]

my points have been rebutted?....the sanctions were working?....

you hear of oil for food?...the scandal?...the u.n.`s complicity with saddam?....

no...that doesn`t register on the "impeder`s" brain...lol

the inspections were working?....lmao....saddam didn`t allow the inspectors anywhere he didn`t want them to go...he kicked them out....until it got hot again...then he played the bait and switch game...over and over.....

FOR BETTER THAN 12 YEARS....

you are aware,aren`t you(no,you probably aren`t),that the sanctions imposed were eroding....the sanctions that were in name only,btw....we didn`t know that at the time...but,the sanctions were bullshit....

maybe the iraqi people were denied the necessities...but not saddam...read up on it...

the countries that weren`t in on oil for food were getting tired of being shut out and the sanctions...for what they were worth...were losing support...

after so many years of the b.s. inspections,the u.n.`s resolve regarding saddam was waning...

the same crap that`s happening with iran....the inspectors can`t gain access without their o.k.....

but they won`t give total access....that`s a helluva deal......

""It's 'funny,' I just saw on the news that we're probably gonna put more cameras in the subways around the country. I guess 9/11 wasn't enough to go with that idea. It took bombings in London. Instead of crafting a (plan?) to invade Iraq after 9/11, maybe, just maybe they could have been working on some things here that would improve our safety. And I don't mean ridiculous terror alert colors.""

no.kosar...9/11 was more than enough...if you could take liberal democrats and the aclu and the mainstream media...and take them for a long walk off a short pier...

like you,they bitch about "the lack of a plan"...then,when a plan is presented(the patriot act....checking packages...random searches...cameras...profiling),they bitch about "the plan"....

you are to much...shrewd...but transparent..

gore lost...please get over it...

 

[kosar]

Cameras are a great idea. So is profiling.

They could do this without the permission of the ACLU or Teddy Kennedy. They got the Patriot Act passed a month after 9/11, so give it a rest about how the ACLU is holding up progress. Ridiculous.

They decided to focus on Iraq instead of things here at home.

Yes, your justifications for the invasion have all been rebutted numerous times. Yes, the inspections were working(maybe you didn't catch it, but everything they said was 100 % correct). Yes, the sanctions were working. (maybe you didn't catch it, but his military could have been taken by Panama.)

You're exactly right, Saddam personally gained from oil/food. My question to you is, who gives a f*ck?

Or maybe it's a better put question: is it worth 10's of thousands of lives, a billion a week and little or no chance of leaving Iraq better than we found it?

 

[gardenweasel]

""You're exactly right, Saddam personally gained from oil/food. My question to you is, who gives a f*ck?""....

maybe the iraqi citizens that had the "food money" syphoned off by saddam?.... for starters...

maybe it undermined the whole idea of the embargo?.....ya` think?


kosar...here`s one that might interest you....

your boy teddy kennedy got a warm reception at gitmo....

i didn`t see the story in the national media....i wonder why?...lol

where are those damned media video cameras when you need them?....

"""Soldiers from Massachusetts and Hawaii who work at the U.S. military detention facility at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, gave visiting home-state senators a piece of their mind last week.

Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and Daniel K. Akaka, Hawaii Democrat, met with several soldiers during a visit led by Armed Services Committee Chairman Sen. John W. Warner, Virginia Republican.

Pentagon officials said soldiers criticized the harsh comments made recently by Senate Democrats.

Sen. Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat, last month invoked widespread military outrage when he compared Guantanamo to the prison labor systems used by communist tyrant Josef Stalin, Cambodia’s Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler.

“They got stiff reactions from those home-state soldiers,” one official told us. “The troops down there expressed their disdain for that kind of commentary, especially comparisons to the gulag.”

A spokesman for Mr. Kennedy had no comment. A spokeswoman for Mr. Akaka confirmed that the senator met with soldiers from Hawaii but did not recall receiving any complaints during the meeting.

Both senators made no mention of the incident in press statements after the visit. Mr. Kennedy, in his statement, said that he is “impressed with the courtesies and professionalism of the men and women in our armed forces.”

Mr. Kennedy has been a leading advocate for closing the prison facility. Mr. Akaka in April voted for an amendment that would have cut funds for the prison.""""

hehehe....doggoned "impeders"....

nosigar...i owe you....

 

[kosar]

""You're exactly right, Saddam personally gained from oil/food. My question to you is, who gives a f*ck?""....

maybe the iraqi citizens that had the "food money" ciphoned off by saddam?.... for starters...

maybe it undermined the whole idea of the embargo?.....ya` think?

Sure, the Iraqi citizens. When, exactly, did you start having feelings for them? Me personally, I don't consider a billion bucks a week, thousands of our young people killed, 6x that many maimed and 20-50k Iraqi's killed by us and the 'insurgents' as being as being a huge prize. The privilege of being blown up seems to be severely underrated these days.

kosar...here`s one that might interest you....

your boy teddy kennedy got a warm reception at gitmo....

i didn`t see the story in the national media....i wonder why?...lol

where are those damned media video cameras when you need them?....

"""Soldiers from Massachusetts and Hawaii who work at the U.S. military detention facility at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, gave visiting home-state senators a piece of their mind last week.

Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and Daniel K. Akaka, Hawaii Democrat, met with several soldiers during a visit led by Armed Services Committee Chairman Sen. John W. Warner, Virginia Republican.

Pentagon officials said soldiers criticized the harsh comments made recently by Senate Democrats.

Sen. Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate?s No. 2 Democrat, last month invoked widespread military outrage when he compared Guantanamo to the prison labor systems used by communist tyrant Josef Stalin, Cambodia?s Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler.

?They got stiff reactions from those home-state soldiers,? one official told us. ?The troops down there expressed their disdain for that kind of commentary, especially comparisons to the gulag.?

A spokesman for Mr. Kennedy had no comment. A spokeswoman for Mr. Akaka confirmed that the senator met with soldiers from Hawaii but did not recall receiving any complaints during the meeting.

Both senators made no mention of the incident in press statements after the visit. Mr. Kennedy, in his statement, said that he is ?impressed with the courtesies and professionalism of the men and women in our armed forces.?

Mr. Kennedy has been a leading advocate for closing the prison facility. Mr. Akaka in April voted for an amendment that would have cut funds for the prison.""""

hehehe....doggoned "impeders"....

nosigar...i owe you....

You must have missed the memo. I think it's utterly ridiculous that Gitmo gets any criticism whatsoever.

Oh, and I think Teddy Kennedy is a useless blowhard.

 

[ferdville]

Saddam sealed his own fate. By refusing to allow inspections as he was required to do, he left almost everyone convinced that he had WMD. Didn't you all think he did have them? Is there anyone out there that really thought he didn't? Obviously "W" made a big move based on that premise and it was wrong. But I would like to hear from some people that honestly felt that he didn't possess WMD. That's it - the only question. Not interested in "W's" reaction, etc.

 

[smurphy]

I'll answer that I certainly did not know. But based on how much of a non-factor Saddam had become since Gulf 1, I did not see him or Iraq as anything close to a significant threat. Also since there was no connection to 9-11, I didn't think it was warranted. We've never succesfully tackled a nation that big pre-emptively. It's an action that just doesn't fly in the free and open world we live in. But most Americans lack any kind of historic perspective or geography knowledge to understand this. They'd rather listen to the BS and then wonder what went wrong.

I supported Bush somewhat and gave the administration the benefit of the doubt in many ways. Having learned how much manipulation of CIA reports and conflicts of interest regarding Cheney and Haliburton, I realize that giving them the benefit of the doubt was probably wrong. They are either as stupid as I feared or as corrupt as I feared. Neither scenario being worthy of the soldiers who actually fight.

Alsol, I viewed Afghanistan as the primary place we should have remained focused on. We did not do nearly enough there IMO. It's almost like we went there because we had to, but Iraq because we wanted to.

Afghanistan was a broken down place - a place where we were fully justified in re-creating in whatever form we wanted. Why we had so few troops there and such a quick change of focus to Iraq is something that bothers me.