How WalMart screws their employees

[Trench]

It's always the same dunderheads who resort to name calling isn't it. I guess now I have been labeled old by Trench and his view of an insult is someone who watches Matlock.

So implying that you're a Wal-Mart greeter who watches Matlock reruns is name-calling?

Lighten up, Bob. You take me too seriously. :toast:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Trampled...every single mother/father, underprivileged kid, returning Vet, poor person, minority, legal immigrant etc, etc, etc can be an example of someone rising from the situation they were born into or they can be another user of the system. Everyone of those people have the freedome to make good or bad choices.

I got it. Because some people have overcome obstacles companies should be able to spit on employees whenever they can. I guess we know your stance on unions. What a joke.

It is fucking useless.

 

[Trench]

Your rant goes right along with the movement to destroy labor unions.

Individuals have no bargaining power with a large employer like WM. WM simply says to an individual; "If you don't like working for starvation wages, if you don't like no benefits, if you don't like 27 hour work weeks, go fuck yourself. We can always find people who are desperate for a job."

And so employment at WM is always on their terms.

That's the ways it was in the coal mines, and in the sweat shops, and in the packing plants, and in the steel mills and elsewhere until people smartened up, organized, and were able to bargain with employers on equal terms.

And yes, azzbob, the Constitution protects the right of workers to band together for their common good.

As to the value of WM, I see very little. Most of their income is spent buying goods from China and elsewhere, most of their profit goes into the pocket of a handful of Sam's descendents, and their piss poor wages and benefits drive down the overall standard of living in the community.

Yes, people shop there because they have low prices, but those people are fools, never realizing that those low prices are impoverishing their community.

Some folks know better. I was recently back in NH where I lived half a lifetime ago, and I spent some time talking to the people who now own the house we then lived in. It seems WM tried to locate a store there. Those NH folks told WM to get lost - "We don't want your low prices at the cost of lousy jobs and we don't want our local merchants run out of business. This is our community, we're doing just fine, and we won't let you come here. Go peddle your slave labor goods and poverty wages elsewhere."

You're deaf to that sort of thinking, I know, and you probably think McDonald's provides value to a community too. Sure it does if you're into minimum wage jobs and artery clogging meals.

Hell, you probably think Brown and Williamson is a valuable employer too. They do sell a lot of product, employ a lot of people, and make a lot of money. Nothing wrong with that, is there Mr capitalist?

Nice post, Duff. :0074

 

[Trench]

I got it. Because some people have overcome obstacles companies should be able to spit on employees whenever they can. I guess we know your stance on unions. What a joke.

It is fucking useless.

It's a common delusion, Tramp. Many right-wingers of advancing age convince themselves they somehow pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps to overcome the cycle of poverty, violence and racial injustice they were born into.

I figure why take that away from them if it makes them happy? :shrug:

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

If you think you made a "point" of noting that WalMart does not pay benefits to all of their employees, they have every right to do so (read the constitution) just as you have a right to set up your own company, risk your own money and watch it grow or fail based on the decisions you make.

If you want to have a serious conversation, think about why it has evolved that employers have to be the source of benefits at all. There is no logical reason for this and it is part of the reason why healthcare costs are out of control. Car insurance isn't tied to an employer and that system works fine with people able to find the deal that suits them best. Dems, of course, can't comprehend that people can make better decisions for themselves so this topic didn't even come up during The ObamaCare mandate.

So we have this system that doesn't make sense and it involves employers paying the majority of the health care for their employers. Wages are based on this, but then you get someone that says I still want to pay the market rate, but I'm not paying their benefits. It's BS. They are taking advantage of people and I'm sure they get all sorts of tax breaks and everything else only to screw over fellow Americans that are in the shallow end of the job market.

I have heard the argument against employers not paying benefits and I agree it doesn't make much sense to tie the two together. I heard the Freakonomics podcast that compared it to auto insurance and how it would seem crazy to think we'd let our employer choose what auto insurance rates we'd pay. My thought is, if we're going to change the game, change it. Otherwise, everyone plays by the same rules.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

It's a common delusion, Tramp. Many right-wingers of advancing age convince themselves they somehow pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps to overcome the cycle of poverty, violence and racial injustice they were born into.

I figure why take that away from them if it makes them happy? :shrug:

And a lot of people in that generation walked up to new manufacturing plants, proved they were 18 and had a pulse, then worked at the same place for 30 years, retiring with a pension, IRA and zero education. Now they get to stand on their soap box and tell us how they made their own way. It's BS. They buy their own story because they stood next to people in the exact same situation for 30 years reinforcing how hard they worked to get where they are.

 

[rusty]

Any day now, boy

Another INSULT


PITY REALLY

:nono:

Hes full of em,TIA, PITY REALLY!

 

[Trench]

And a lot of people in that generation walked up to new manufacturing plants, proved they were 18 and had a pulse, then worked at the same place for 30 years, retiring with a pension, IRA and zero education. Now they get to stand on their soap box and tell us how they made their own way. It's BS. They buy their own story because they stood next to people in the exact same situation for 30 years reinforcing how hard they worked to get where they are.

That's very true, Gary.

Nevermind that these guys are almost always white, middle-class conservatives who've never known poverty or been the victim of racial prejudice or injustice themselves. Yet they never miss an opportunity to pat themselves on the back while preaching their "self-made-man" mantra to the underclass.

They refuse to recognize that in the boom economy of the post WWII era, unions and collective bargainning played an integral part in shaping and building the American middle-class. Even companies that locked the unions out were forced to improve their wages and working conditions to compete and keep pace with companies that did not.

It's sad that so many Americans today fail to understand that we've ALL benefitted from the American labor movement. If we allow it to wither and die, so too will the middle-class. It's happening before our very eyes. Look no further than Wal-Mart.

 

[azbob]

Duff...that was truly a thoughful and well-reasoned post...thanks for that contribution even though I do disagree with some of it, it was well written.

I agree with everyone here that in the 1940's, unions served a purpose...they don't today, you don't have to take my word for it, look at the union landscape across the nation.

Trench...your perceptive abilities in reading my posts rates right there with your ignorance of reading the tea leaves regarding the direction of the country...please continue to humor me.

I guess I am willing to let the person making $9.75 an hour at WalMart tell me if he/she is sickened by the thought of accepting a paycheck each week. You all have reached consensus that it's a lousy job in a lousy company and no one should shop there. Well there are about 200 million employees and one billion customers (annually) who are on the other side of that arguement.

And just for the record, there are 27 WalMarts in New Hampshire. Stop in and pick up some anacids Duff plus you can get most prescriptions for only $4...thank me later.

 

[Trench]

Trench...your perceptive abilities in reading my posts rates right there with your ignorance of reading the tea leaves regarding the direction of the country...please continue to humor me.

I understand, Bob. You don't get out much anymore. There's no shame in that. You've earned your place in your gated condoplex where the scent of cheap cigars and denture adhesive gently meanders among you and your fellow residents of Del Boca Vista who've gathered in the commons to watch The 700 Club.

Only in America. :0008

 

[Trench]

Btw, Bob... this would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything, so in spite of our differing political views, dammit... you're a smart guy and I like ya, Bob. :toast:

 

[Skulnik]

Btw, Bob... this would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything, so in spite of our differing political views, dammit... you're a smart guy and I like ya, Bob. :toast:

Trench, are you SCARED of SKULNIK or the truth?

:0corn

 

[Trench]

Trench, are you SCARED of SKULNIK or the truth?

:0corn

Skul... you're confusing pity with fear.

Sorry to disappoint you... :142smilie

 

[Skulnik]

Skul... you're confusing pity with fear.

Sorry to disappoint you... :142smilie

I'm sorry you FEAR the TRUTH, Pity Really.

JmO

:0corn

 

[Trench]

I'm sorry you FEAR the TRUTH, Pity Really.

JmO

:0corn

What's on your mind, Skul?

(Did I really just ask that question?) :142smilie

 

[The Joker]

Bitch? A tad harsh. :scared :scared

Nope.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I guess I am willing to let the person making $9.75 an hour at WalMart tell me if he/she is sickened by the thought of accepting a paycheck each week. You all have reached consensus that it's a lousy job in a lousy company and no one should shop there. Well there are about 200 million employees and one billion customers (annually) who are on the other side of that arguement.

If your option was working 27 hours a week for no benefits and $9.75 or saying fuck it and collecting government assistance, can you blame some of the bottom feeders from going the government assistance route? If you can, you're fooling yourself. It is all about incentives.

 

[Duff Miver]

I agree with everyone here that in the 1940's, unions served a purpose...they don't today, you don't have to take my word for it, look at the union landscape across the nation.



Well there are about 200 million employees and one billion customers (annually) who are on the other side of that arguement.

And just for the record, there are 27 WalMarts in New Hampshire. Stop in and pick up some anacids Duff plus you can get most prescriptions for only $4...thank me later.

Unions are still needed, azzbob, but there's no convincing you of that just as there was no convincing the azzbobs of 1910. The only difference is that a hundred years ago your predecessors used goons, guns and clubs to break unions (until the coal miners armed up), and now you use lobbyists, paid-off politicians, lies and fear mongering.

200 million employees and a billion customers proves just exactly what, azzbob? Does it prove that WalMart is a good thing?

If head count is your measure, then maybe you should join the Islam faith, because they've got bigger numbers than WM.

Yes, WM has NH stores in the high population areas, mostly along the MA/NH border, but there are none in the Dover/Durham area

 

[The Sponge]

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Sponge...it would be interesting to know how you are helping that woman...is that a job? Since you asked, maybe she should had made a better decision regarding her mate...is her bad judgement now my problem to fix? If, as you say, the husband has money than take him to court. Maybe instead of you "helping" she should get a lawyer and, BTW, the lawyer takes the case on contingency. History isn't bright but, we are coming out of it...hey, are you a "community organizer." Since you use the word all the time, I dare you to define neocon without looking it up.

So everyone who gets divorced has made a bad choice in their life? What is the percent now 65 ? I guess even if she was married 20 years it was still a bad choice? Take the husband to court? There is an agreement in place but it still isn't enuf money to cover school when there also is a child going full time. As for the word Neo-con? If u don't know what it stands for u go look it up. I'm tired educating ass holes like u and then out of the other side of ur mouth I have to hear how hard u have worked and what a great success u have been, while pissing on people who are less fortunate. Kinda like how unions built the middle class and now all u ass holes like u think those benefits u receive, have somehow become a part of ur hard work. They have come from hard work but it is nothing u did that got them. U just leach on them like every other union hater. It is a fukin pathetic disgrace.

 

[azbob]

I guess I should add Jimmy Hoffa to Maxine Walters as the "new" voices of the far left. Hey there is still room for Al Sharpton.

Nuts...you have made a great arguement for continuing welfare reforms that Clinton started...too many people getting too much.

Just a short note as I have to chase some kids off of my lawn.