HUGE OBAMACARE QUESTION

[ferdville]

I may be a little "thick" as Muff Diver (there is a name that inspires intelligence and dignity), but I haven't heard this addressed. Maybe it has so someone can enlighen me.

How many people will now be covered that were not previously covered? 5 million? 10 Million? 20 million? 50 million?

Can someone tell me where the doctors will come from to handle the influx? How long does the average patient wait to get an appointment now? How long do you have to wait at the doctor's office before he/shje sees you now? What is going to happen when millions more have access?

I doubt that many people will be flooding the med schools if this takes place and would guess that some doctors would retire faced with this onslaught. But I guess the politicans have it figured out.

Where will they come from?

 

[RAYMOND]

MAYBE YOU SHOULD CALL YOUR CONGRESS MAN

 

[Duff Miver]

I may be a little "thick" as Muff Diver (there is a name that inspires intelligence and dignity), but I haven't heard this addressed. Maybe it has so someone can enlighen me.

How many people will now be covered that were not previously covered? 5 million? 10 Million? 20 million? 50 million?

Can someone tell me where the doctors will come from to handle the influx? How long does the average patient wait to get an appointment now? How long do you have to wait at the doctor's office before he/shje sees you now? What is going to happen when millions more have access?

I doubt that many people will be flooding the med schools if this takes place and would guess that some doctors would retire faced with this onslaught. But I guess the politicans have it figured out.

Where will they come from?

Yep, you're a bit thick, terdville. If you'd paid attention to your president today, he would have told you. Approximately 45 million are now uninsured. Of those about 38 million will be insured.

There are multiple sources of physicians. First off, the uninsured will not flood Emergency Rooms, and that will free up many docs. Secondly, many docs are underemployed. I recently talked to a physician who is chief of oncological surgery at a large hospital, he was complaining that he does not have enough patients. I know others who work 3 or 4 day weeks because they don't have enough patients.

Look around your local country club golf course mid-week. You'll see lots of docs.

Family docs are usually very busy because most new docs go into specialty practice which pays better. Under the health care reform, family docs will get the same pay as specialists.

You don't really HAVE to be uninformed, terd. You could try paying attention.

 

[rusty]

Yep, you're a bit thick, terdville. If you'd paid attention to your president today, he would have told you. Approximately 45 million are now uninsured. Of those about 38 million will be insured.

There are multiple sources of physicians. First off, the uninsured will not flood Emergency Rooms, and that will free up many docs. Secondly, many docs are underemployed. I recently talked to a physician who is chief of oncological surgery at a large hospital, he was complaining that he does not have enough patients. I know others who work 3 or 4 day weeks because they don't have enough patients.

Look around your local country club golf course mid-week. You'll see lots of docs.

Family docs are usually very busy because most new docs go into specialty practice which pays better. Under the health care reform, family docs will get the same pay as specialists.

You don't really HAVE to be uninformed, terd. You could try paying attention.

What do we do with all the illegals already gettn free healthcare,keep paying??:shrug:

 

[layinwood]

Family docs are usually very busy because most new docs go into specialty practice which pays better. Under the health care reform, family docs will get the same pay as specialists.


Please tell me where you found this to be true.(under the health care reform, family docs will get the same pay as specialists)


Duff, let's say the above statement is true. What will then happen is that we'll have a shortage of specialists. Reason why, why would you do a fellowship for 2 more years when you could be making the same money without it?

 

[Duff Miver]

Family docs are usually very busy because most new docs go into specialty practice which pays better. Under the health care reform, family docs will get the same pay as specialists.


Please tell me where you found this to be true.(under the health care reform, family docs will get the same pay as specialists)


Duff, let's say the above statement is true. What will then happen is that we'll have a shortage of specialists. Reason why, why would you do a fellowship for 2 more years when you could be making the same money without it?

You obviously weren't paying attention to the president today. Equal pay is exactly what he said.

We don't need anywhere the number of specialists we have today. Do you need a rheumatologist to treat osteoarthritis? Of course not. Do you need an internist to treat the common flu? No. Do you need a radiologist to diagnose a broken rib? No. A dermatoligist to treat common skin disorders? A cardiologist to treat ordinary hypertension? No.

 

[Spytheweb]

I may be a little "thick" as Muff Diver (there is a name that inspires intelligence and dignity), but I haven't heard this addressed. Maybe it has so someone can enlighen me.

How many people will now be covered that were not previously covered? 5 million? 10 Million? 20 million? 50 million?

Can someone tell me where the doctors will come from to handle the influx? How long does the average patient wait to get an appointment now? How long do you have to wait at the doctor's office before he/shje sees you now? What is going to happen when millions more have access?

I doubt that many people will be flooding the med schools if this takes place and would guess that some doctors would retire faced with this onslaught. But I guess the politicans have it figured out.

Where will they come from?

Well if you don't have insurance, you wait forever.

I know it's hard to believe but some people who become doctors want to heal people. The ones who want to become rich better change jobs and run for congress or become a lobbyists.

This problem should have been taken care of 64 years ago.

 

[hedgehog]

tort reform would fix the problem followed by a Conservative President

 

[ferdville]

muff diver - you and your 50 posts are from the Bible Belt according to your own words. There may be a surplus of physicians in your area, but that certainly isn't true in California. Doctors are underemployed - is that your guess or do you have a source other than a friend? It isn't so here. Would be interesting to hear what people in other states have to say.

Also, does the government prediction include health care for illegals? If so, how have they concluded how many illegals will not take advantage? It's just not as simple as people are thinking.

 

[StevieD]

tort reform would fix the problem followed by a Conservative President

What exactly did the conservatives, who had control of everything for six long years, do to help the health care problem?

I don't understand a lot about ObamaCare. I can't say I am for it or against it. But I know that something has to be done. It cannot be ignored as it was the last 8 years.

 

[hedgehog]

What exactly did the conservatives, who had control of everything for six long years, do to help the health care problem?

I don't understand a lot about ObamaCare. I can't say I am for it or against it. But I know that something has to be done. It cannot be ignored as it was the last 8 years.

deport all illegal aliens, close the border, pass law that doctors can't be sued unless gross negligence problem solved.

health care crisis is a myth as it is, the people that don't have it don't want it, I work with people who can get it, but don't have it because its too expensive its only 150 per month taken out before taxes

 

[The Sponge]

deport all illegal aliens, close the border, pass law that doctors can't be sued unless gross negligence problem solved.

health care crisis is a myth as it is, the people that don't have it don't want it, I work with people who can get it, but don't have it because its too expensive its only 150 per month taken out before taxes

What is tort reform gonna do? How is this gonna bring down prices? Are the Insurance companies gonna some how become passionate and drop their prices? No they will do what all greedy capitalist do and keep the prices where they are and rake in more money just like they did in Missouri with their tort reform.

 

[StevieD]

deport all illegal aliens, close the border, pass law that doctors can't be sued unless gross negligence problem solved.

health care crisis is a myth as it is, the people that don't have it don't want it, I work with people who can get it, but don't have it because its too expensive its only 150 per month taken out before taxes

I can't agre with what you say. People and companies cannot afford insurance. The cost is way out of whack. No one, Dems or Repubs are doing anything about the border or illegals.

Even with insurance you can go broke if you get sick and have the wrong insurance.

Many cases of it.

 

[hedgehog]

I can't agre with what you say. People and companies cannot afford insurance. The cost is way out of whack. No one, Dems or Repubs are doing anything about the border or illegals.

Even with insurance you can go broke if you get sick and have the wrong insurance.

Many cases of it.

150 per month is too much to pay before taxes? get rid of your cell phone, satellite/cable, quit going out to eat, make sacrifices, I don't feel sorry for those people or think I should pay for them:shrug:

I do agree the costs are out of whack, my wife and I had a baby 2 months ago and the amount the hospital billed and amount insurance paid was about 1/2. The reason prices are so out of whack is because Doctors have to buy medical mal-practice insurance which sometimes is 300K per year or more. The attorneys in this country have caused to health care debacle.

 

[layinwood]

Hedge, you're looking at it from your perspective. Do you know what your employer pays for you insurance and how much it's gone up over the last few years? Yeah 150 is not much for you to have good insurance but the problem is your employer might not be able to keep up on their side of it.

 

[StevieD]

150 per month is too much to pay before taxes? get rid of your cell phone, satellite/cable, quit going out to eat, make sacrifices, I don't feel sorry for those people or think I should pay for them:shrug:

I do agree the costs are out of whack, my wife and I had a baby 2 months ago and the amount the hospital billed and amount insurance paid was about 1/2. The reason prices are so out of whack is because Doctors have to buy medical mal-practice insurance which sometimes is 300K per year or more. The attorneys in this country have caused to health care debacle.

I dont know what you get for $150 a mointh or how much your employer pays towards it. But you got a crappy plan if you paid the cost for your baby. Imagine if you got sick, say a brain tumor or cancer and you had to pay 1/2. You would quickly become one of those homeless you hate so much.

 

[hedgehog]

Hedge, you're looking at it from your perspective. Do you know what your employer pays for you insurance and how much it's gone up over the last few years? Yeah 150 is not much for you to have good insurance but the problem is your employer might not be able to keep up on their side of it.

good point, I am sure when there is a government option the owner of the company I work for will go to that, no doubt. I know they pay out the ass for our insurance.

75employer/25 worker 50/50 for spouse and kids I think

 

[hedgehog]

I dont know what you get for $150 a mointh or how much your employer pays towards it. But you got a crappy plan if you paid the cost for your baby. Imagine if you got sick, say a brain tumor or cancer and you had to pay 1/2. You would quickly become one of those homeless you hate so much.

I understand your point, we only paid about 1500 out of pocket for our son:shrug: we were billed somewhere around 25K all added up:scared

that would suck to get sick with no insurance, I would just go to Ben Taub hospital and get it all for free

 

[Hard Times]

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good point, I am sure when there is a government option the owner of the company I work for will go to that, no doubt. I know they pay out the ass for our insurance.

75employer/25 worker 50/50 for spouse and kids I think

Go back 50 years, then 25, and check the cost of having a baby at one of the top hospitals, if the cost of insurance and medical procedure is in line with every thing else , you know fair and balanced,then i would be against the Obama plan.
Still don't know what we will get from Obama, a waterdown version of the oringal plan , at best, maybe nothing.
Now just think if something isn't done about the cost , well then, what will it cost in 25 years when your child has a baby ??
Inflation is coming, food and energy is on the rise and when interest rates go up, then this economy is in real trouble.
Now if health care fails ... then people will have to decide on food or medicine... it want affect you , you have a good job, and you don't care about the elderly,the poor , little kids doing without food... now in china they put the little kids to work at 6-7-8 years of age and that's what the real power in china wants.
Our politicians are asleep while the real power wants this country to be more like China.... control birth, child labor, slave labor. In order for these things to come about then the real power must break the middle class, everything that happens from here on in this country is decided by the corporate elite.
Something has to be done, when CEO'S and top executives are making so much money on the backs of the sick, elderly, the working man, well i'm here to tell you that it is WRONG... DAMN WRONG !!

 

[kcwolf]

Go back 50 years, then 25, and check the cost of having a baby at one of the top hospitals, if the cost of insurance and medical procedure is in line with every thing else , you know fair and balanced,then i would be against the Obama plan.

Thirty-five years ago, our first child was born in a hospital. We had no insurance, cost us around $800.

We have the highest GDP for healthcare is going up quickly. In 2008, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent -- two times the rate of inflation. Total spending was $2.4 TRILLION in 2007, or $7900 per person. Total health care spending represented 17 percent of the gross domestic product.

U.S. health care spending is expected to increase at similar levels for the next decade reaching $4.3 TRILLION in 2017, or 20 percent of GDP.

I'd hazard to say something needs to be down.