HUGE SCANDAL, NBA OFFICIAL FIXING GAMES
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How funny would it be to watch a game where a referee and a player were trying to fix a game....but trying to fix it in the opposite direction. Lots of awful calls and terrible shots. Maybe the New York Knicks from 2 years ago? :142smilie
Jeff van Gundy sez I told u so
Jeff van Gundy sez I told u so
Not sure if you guys recall this, but a few years ago, while STILL AN ACTIVE COACH IN THE NBA, Jeff van Gundy came right out and said games were fixed, pure and simple. He wasn't punished very hard, as I remember, he was just made to appologize, since it was obvious the league just wanted as little mention of the story as possible.
Perhaps now, my boy Mark Cuban can get a court order to disband the NBA for breach of fiduciary duty or some shit and start up a new league.
Jeff van Gundy sez I told u so
Not sure if you guys recall this, but a few years ago, while STILL AN ACTIVE COACH IN THE NBA, Jeff van Gundy came right out and said games were fixed, pure and simple. He wasn't punished very hard, as I remember, he was just made to appologize, since it was obvious the league just wanted as little mention of the story as possible.
Perhaps now, my boy Mark Cuban can get a court order to disband the NBA for breach of fiduciary duty or some shit and start up a new league.
I was laughing about this years ago with one of my buddies who was on the opposite side of a game I was on.:00hour He said it was the ref., and I said it was the player.:SIB Foul called by the ref, ticky-tack type, sends 80+%-er to the line...
The player misses two, so the other team covers by ONE:142smilie . You should have seen the look on the refs face:com: <just like that.
And the players face >:mj07: , just like that...
I was on the fixed side:shrug:
We still laugh about that one!
Franky
Van Gundy never said any such thing. He was disciplined for complaining about the officials focusing on Yao Ming.
?He?s (Dallas owner Mark Cuban) worked the N.B.A. about officiating and calls. When another official calls you out of the blue, we?re up, 2-0, that we?re targeting him (Yao) more. It?s on their Web site. There?s nothing you can do about it. It has had an impact.?
You can rest assured that the FBI will now look very deeply into the other referees so we will very soon see if anything else surfaces. As I have always said, there is not a prosecutor, FBI agent or reporter in this country that would not jump at the chance to make their career by exposing a conspiracy yet after all these years we finally hear about ONE individual with a gambling problem.
Feds investigating ref Donaghy's alleged tie to gambling, organized crime
July 20, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com staff and wire reports
NEW YORK -- The FBI is investigating allegations that veteran NBA referee Tim Donaghy bet on basketball games over the past two seasons, including ones in which he officiated, according to league sources.
Donaghy's identity was confirmed to CBS SportsLine's Tony Mejia by several NBA sources.
A law enforcement official said authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered.
The law enforcement official, who spoke to the AP on Friday on condition of anonymity, said the referee was aware of the investigation and had made arrangements to surrender as early as next week to face charges. The official, who did not identify the referee, is familiar with the investigation but was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.
The law enforcement official said the bets involved thousands of dollars and were made on games during the 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 seasons.
The NBA issued a brief statement Friday: "We have been asked by the FBI, with whom we are working closely, not to comment on this matter at this time."
The FBI probe, which began recently, also involves allegations that the referee had connections to organized crime associates. Other arrests are expected, the official said.
The referee had a gambling problem, according to the official, and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.
The investigation first was reported Friday by the New York Post.
Nevada gambling regulators were not involved in an investigation and had no information about the allegations, said Jerry Markling, enforcement chief for the state Gaming Commission and Gaming Control Board.
Markling, in Las Vegas, said he learned of the probe from news accounts.
"The allegations were new to us," said Mark Clayton, a control board member. "However, we will continue to monitor them to ascertain whether there is any connection to Nevada's licensed sports books."
Veteran oddsmaker John Avello, at the Wynn resort on the Las Vegas Strip, said that without specific information it would be difficult to identify wagering irregularities over the last two seasons.
"At this point, it's too early to know if any games were affected," Avello said, adding that no regulators or investigators had contacted him about the case.
Jay Kornegay, executive director of the sports book at the Las Vegas Hilton, said he had never seen any unusual activity in NBA betting, and was surprised not to have heard about an investigation until Friday.
"Whispers would have happened on the street, and we would have heard something," Kornegay said. "Any type of suspicious or unusual movements, you usually hear in the industry. We're so regulated and policed, any kind of suspicion would be discussed.
"We haven't seen anything like that in the NBA that I can remember," he said, "and we haven't been contacted by anybody."
Kornegay said legal sports betting in Nevada represents a fraction of sports betting worldwide, with 98.5 percent of all action taken outside the state. Clayton cited a 2005 estimate by the National Gambling Impact Study Commission that found $380 billion is wagered on illegal sports betting, compared with $2.25 billion in legal sports betting in Nevada.
Gambling long has been a problem in sports, and leagues have made a point of educating players of the potential pitfalls. The NBA, for example, discusses gambling at rookie orientation, even bringing in former mobster Michael Franceze to speak.
NBA commissioner David Stern had long objected to putting a team in Las Vegas because it permits betting on basketball, though earlier this year allowed Mayor Oscar Goodman to submit a proposal to owners on how the city would handle wagering on a team if it moved there.
Goodman argues that legalized gambling, monitored by the Nevada Gaming Commission, prevents these types of suspicious activities.
"We're the only regulatory agency in the world that really looks at unusual activity as far as the movement of the line and that type of conduct," he said. "I think it's a good thing that Las Vegas has the type of regulation that makes sure that bad things don't happen."
July 20, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com staff and wire reports
NEW YORK -- The FBI is investigating allegations that veteran NBA referee Tim Donaghy bet on basketball games over the past two seasons, including ones in which he officiated, according to league sources.
Donaghy's identity was confirmed to CBS SportsLine's Tony Mejia by several NBA sources.
A law enforcement official said authorities are examining whether the referee made calls to affect the point spread in games on which he or associates had wagered.
The law enforcement official, who spoke to the AP on Friday on condition of anonymity, said the referee was aware of the investigation and had made arrangements to surrender as early as next week to face charges. The official, who did not identify the referee, is familiar with the investigation but was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.
The law enforcement official said the bets involved thousands of dollars and were made on games during the 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 seasons.
The NBA issued a brief statement Friday: "We have been asked by the FBI, with whom we are working closely, not to comment on this matter at this time."
The FBI probe, which began recently, also involves allegations that the referee had connections to organized crime associates. Other arrests are expected, the official said.
The referee had a gambling problem, according to the official, and was approached by low-level mob associates through an acquaintance.
The investigation first was reported Friday by the New York Post.
Nevada gambling regulators were not involved in an investigation and had no information about the allegations, said Jerry Markling, enforcement chief for the state Gaming Commission and Gaming Control Board.
Markling, in Las Vegas, said he learned of the probe from news accounts.
"The allegations were new to us," said Mark Clayton, a control board member. "However, we will continue to monitor them to ascertain whether there is any connection to Nevada's licensed sports books."
Veteran oddsmaker John Avello, at the Wynn resort on the Las Vegas Strip, said that without specific information it would be difficult to identify wagering irregularities over the last two seasons.
"At this point, it's too early to know if any games were affected," Avello said, adding that no regulators or investigators had contacted him about the case.
Jay Kornegay, executive director of the sports book at the Las Vegas Hilton, said he had never seen any unusual activity in NBA betting, and was surprised not to have heard about an investigation until Friday.
"Whispers would have happened on the street, and we would have heard something," Kornegay said. "Any type of suspicious or unusual movements, you usually hear in the industry. We're so regulated and policed, any kind of suspicion would be discussed.
"We haven't seen anything like that in the NBA that I can remember," he said, "and we haven't been contacted by anybody."
Kornegay said legal sports betting in Nevada represents a fraction of sports betting worldwide, with 98.5 percent of all action taken outside the state. Clayton cited a 2005 estimate by the National Gambling Impact Study Commission that found $380 billion is wagered on illegal sports betting, compared with $2.25 billion in legal sports betting in Nevada.
Gambling long has been a problem in sports, and leagues have made a point of educating players of the potential pitfalls. The NBA, for example, discusses gambling at rookie orientation, even bringing in former mobster Michael Franceze to speak.
NBA commissioner David Stern had long objected to putting a team in Las Vegas because it permits betting on basketball, though earlier this year allowed Mayor Oscar Goodman to submit a proposal to owners on how the city would handle wagering on a team if it moved there.
Goodman argues that legalized gambling, monitored by the Nevada Gaming Commission, prevents these types of suspicious activities.
"We're the only regulatory agency in the world that really looks at unusual activity as far as the movement of the line and that type of conduct," he said. "I think it's a good thing that Las Vegas has the type of regulation that makes sure that bad things don't happen."
Don't know how much dirt if any will be brought out into the open on this.
I'll relate it to stories of abuse/crime by Chicago Police Officers. I believe there are 13,000 sworn in members of CPD. Take whatever fraction you want of that and there will definitely be some "bad apples". Yet people are in total shock and awe every now and then when one gets exposed. Disgust of bad cops action are fine. But being oblivious to the numbers or blaming your inability to cap a game on it is lame. I think in the case of Chicago and the case of the league or of Vegas, their interests lie in keeping a straight program and the fact that they have come across this is good. Everybody benefits from that.
I'll relate it to stories of abuse/crime by Chicago Police Officers. I believe there are 13,000 sworn in members of CPD. Take whatever fraction you want of that and there will definitely be some "bad apples". Yet people are in total shock and awe every now and then when one gets exposed. Disgust of bad cops action are fine. But being oblivious to the numbers or blaming your inability to cap a game on it is lame. I think in the case of Chicago and the case of the league or of Vegas, their interests lie in keeping a straight program and the fact that they have come across this is good. Everybody benefits from that.
Franky...
I bet that look on the ref's face was priceless. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
That's exactly what I was talking about though. Perfect illustration! :spotting:
I bet that look on the ref's face was priceless. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
That's exactly what I was talking about though. Perfect illustration! :spotting:
I'll bet the ref involved was more likely to be manipulating totals- he could do that without calling a one-sided game. More fouls = more points
My guess: Bennett Salvatore
My guess: Bennett Salvatore
The Judge, I'm sure you are a nice guy, but your own quote makes you look like an idiot. Here's more of the story you conveniently left out.
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Van Gundy said he had been tipped by an NBA official that the league had ordered its referees to treat Yao differently than other players, a charge Van Gundy said his review of game tapes has confirmed.
"When you review his fouls, he looked ? you've got to give Mark Cuban credit," Van Gundy said. "They said it on TNT last night. He's been calling and calling about Yao. You've got to give the guy credit. He's taken a lot of fines in his time. He's been on them hard. He's gotten the benefit.
"Before Game 3, I got a call from another official in the NBA who's not in the playoffs that I've known forever, and he told me they were looking at Yao harder because of Mark's complaints. It proved prophetic, really, the last couple games. I didn't think that really worked in the NBA, but in this case it has."
Cuban, who described Van Gundy as an "amazing coach," said the Mavericks have asked the league to review examples of Yao and Dikembe Mutombo setting screens but that the Rockets' centers have actually gotten away with fouls that have not been called against them.
"That's crazy," Cuban said of Van Gundy's charge. "It's also an insult to officials. They don't officiate individual players differently. Did he notice that Damp (Erick Dampier) has gotten two quick fouls in every game and has been limited by foul trouble? Has he ever looked at Shawn Bradley's fouls per minute? They both seem to have the same type of fouls called on them.
"I will tell you what we did do, and I can tell you it has had zero impact on the officiating of the games. We sent in a list of what we thought could be moving screens on Yao and Dikembe from a game in the series. We wanted clarification from the league if our assessment of what was going on was correct. The league came back and told us of the 28 that we turned in from this game, nine were actually moving screens and should have been called but were not.
"We have the same type of examples from every game in the series. So if anything, he has it completely backward."
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Shouldn't be surprised........ There is a reason games don't cover for the public when a very high % of wagers is on their side !!!!!!! :nono: When I went to Vegas for madjacks' superbowl party.... I went to wager on the bears. After being there and seeing the WHOLE city on Chicago I took Indy very big $$$$$$$$$ :00hour :SIB
They are always on the same side. Now if a player does this on his own he will be banned for life and thrown in Jail. That would be Pete Rose who will never ever get back in baseball for doing what in baseball would be considered a mass murderer.
Go watch it again bro. Go look how the end of the game evolved regaurding the total points. It was commical how it shook down. One coach refusing to make it a three score game by kicking a field goal and the other taking the ball and calling short passes straight up the middle.
Probe the Seattle/Steelers Refs superbowl too while they are at it.
And yeah, shading for a spread because you got in too deep with the mob is a whole hell of a lot different than following some secret David Stern plot. Those dots don't even connect.
And yeah, shading for a spread because you got in too deep with the mob is a whole hell of a lot different than following some secret David Stern plot. Those dots don't even connect.
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and for all of you NBA haters who want to pour more lighter fluid on this story, lets look at reality, all sports are shady in some ways.
Baseball can have a decade of players cheating and phony records, and college basketball has had more than its share of point-shaving scandals, football has its moments (sea/steelers superbowl), college football violates rules and guidelines all the time but the media and the general public will no doubt call for the NBA to be outlawed b/c of the thug image.
Baseball can have a decade of players cheating and phony records, and college basketball has had more than its share of point-shaving scandals, football has its moments (sea/steelers superbowl), college football violates rules and guidelines all the time but the media and the general public will no doubt call for the NBA to be outlawed b/c of the thug image.
not to knock SD's passion above but....
before I forget.....
I would love nothing better than the entire puke NBA slip into the ocean along with California when the big one hits.:com:
or just fall apart on it's own before then
It might improve the talent level in the NFL:00hour
before I forget.....
I would love nothing better than the entire puke NBA slip into the ocean along with California when the big one hits.:com:
or just fall apart on it's own before then
It might improve the talent level in the NFL:00hour
