Hundreds gather on campus to protest or support Cheney's BYU visit

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By Sheena McFarland
The Salt Lake Tribune
04/04/2007 12:14:25 PM MDT

BYU's College Democrats host a student sit-in on the Provo campus Wednesday to raise awareness about Vice President Dick Cheney's record in office. Cheney has been invited to give the school's commencement address.

Hundreds of students Wednesday sat in protest and support of Brigham Young University's decision to invite Vice President Dick Cheney to deliver the school's commencement address.

More than 200 students attended the College Democrats' protest, a sit-in next to the campus library with no shouting allowed.

"As much as I'm opposed to Cheney and enjoy demonstrating against his politics, this is a really good chance to show the political diversity of BYU," said Philip Erickson, a sophomore studying international relations.

But not everyone at the protest was a Democrat. Heather Marsh, a freshman studying neuroscience, held a sign stating, "Republican against Cheney."

"He made some horribly misleading arguments linking Iraq to attacks on 9/11," she said. "We are Mormons and are subject to kings, rulers and magistrates, but we're also upholding the right of popular sovereignty."

In response to critics who say Cheney doesn't represent the values of BYU, a private school owned by the LDS church, Cali Nicoll simply says, "It's what politicians do."

She joined about 75 students on the opposite side of the school library at a rally organized by the College Republicans supporting BYU and Cheney.

"To have such an influential leader come to campus is at worst inconsequential and at best a benefit to the university," said McKay Young, a junior studying psychology who is politically independent.

Nicoll says the office of the vice president should be respected.

"It's a great honor to have him even consider coming, let alone speaking," she said.

The dueling events grew from online petition drives initiated by both groups.

A petition opposing Cheney's visit launched last week at www.cheneyspeech.blogspot.com. BYU alumni drafted the petition, and it has garnered support from some students, faculty and staff.

Then this week, College Republicans created a petition to support Cheney and BYU administrators. Found at www.isupportBYU.com, it is described as "powerful declaration of support for the current BYU administration and board of trustees, including their decision to invite the vice president of the United States to speak at Spring commencement ceremonies."

BYU has said it has no plan to renege its invitation to the vice president to speak on April 26.

Administrators are still considering whether to allow a protest on campus the day of his visit.
 

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a question Gregg--

Would you agree the radicals of Dem party could conclusively be tagged the party of hate?

Why is it this party who are suppose to be advocates of non-violence and free speech--actions grossly dictate just the opposite.

Can anyone think of event when Dem associations on campus invited speakers and the conservatives protested?

Why is this?

Just saw another identicle situation last night at American University where the Reb entity of college invited Rove--only to have the Dems waiting outside-
Video- http://www.nbc4.com/news/11516096/detail.html#

--and 3 of Dem or terrorist supporters from Yale get busted--

NEW HAVEN, Conn. ? Three Yale University students were arrested and charged with arson and other offenses after they allegedly set fire to an American flag hanging from the porch of a New Haven neighborhood home.

The three were arrested early Tuesday after officers on patrol spotted the burning flag and tore it from the pole where it was mounted to the house on Chapel Street, police said.

Said Hyder Akbar, 23, Nikolaos Angelopoulos, 19, and Farhad Anklesaria, also 19, were arrested

--on a side note on the American University ordeal saw interview with head of both Dem and Reb campus parties (fair and balanced) on Oreilly an was interesting to note organization that organized protest and many of protesters were not students--(verified by both)--will be interesting to see if same occurs at the BYU event you refer to.
 

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i think it is because the dems don't sit there and say a lie after a lie after a lie. Eventually it breeds hate in people. Unfortunately you don't see the lies which is very confusing to most people. didn't a bunch of conservative cause a fiasco in Florida during the 2000 elections? when a bunch of dispicable people want to talk in an open forum it will bring out the worst in people. There is a reason these dispicable people poll ratings are under 30 percent.
 

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yeah...and some dewd set fire to an american flag......

no biggie....only the flag was attached to a flagpole.....that just happened to be anchored to some poor working stiff`s house.....

but hey,lets not impinge on his free"dumb" of expression...
 

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Would you agree the radicals of Dem party could conclusively be tagged the party of hate?
Wayne, due to the fact that I reside in the district that was previously represented in the House by Tom Delay, I have a difficult time agreeing with your assesment. Delay's underhanded antics were truly despicable and have certainly tainted my view of your party. Additionally, I believe that if we look at the collective attitudes of the Republican and Democratic posters on this forum, it is safe to say that the rightwingers post in a much more hateful manner.
 
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Sound like that other stretcher of truth Rove was given hard time yesterday to. People of all walks and parties are getting real sick of this crew. I wonder if Cheney/Bush understand if election was today. They be lucky to get 40%.
 

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By Sheena McFarland
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04/04/2007 12:14:25 PM MDT

More than 200 students attended the College Democrats' protest, a sit-in next to the campus library with no shouting allowed.

But not everyone at the protest was a Democrat. Heather Marsh, a freshman studying neuroscience, held a sign stating, "Republican against Cheney."

"He made some horribly misleading arguments linking Iraq to attacks on 9/11," she said.

I just thought in light of Dog's attempts to make points, that the two above bolded elements were important to highlight. Non-violence, and the fact that a dislike of the current administration - and Cheney in particular - is not only attributed to democrats anymore. A growing number of non-democrats are starting to see the light.
 

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on a side note on the American University ordeal saw interview with head of both Dem and Reb campus parties (fair and balanced) on Oreilly an was interesting to note organization that organized protest and many of protesters were not students--(verified by both)--will be interesting to see if same occurs at the BYU event you refer to.
Dear BYU Family,

As alumni, students, faculty, and friends of Brigham Young University and its sister institutions, we were saddened to learn that BYU and its board of trustees accepted the request of Vice President Richard Cheney to address BYU?s graduating class on April 26th. We are concerned that this action represents an unvoiced endorsement of one of our nation?s most controversial partisan figures, and serves to undermine the stated position of political neutrality held by BYU?s sponsoring institution, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We therefore respectfully request that BYU identify a more appropriate commencement speaker, and refuse Mr. Cheney?s offer to speak.

Over the past six years, Vice President Cheney and his office have been the center of great national controversy. During this time, Cheney has made misleading statements about the tragic war which continues in Iraq, levied outrageous partisan accusations against his Democratic opponents, and used vulgarity on the Senate floor. He has been linked to serious scandals involving botched intelligence reports, no-bid contracts awarded to friends and political donors, and perjury convictions handed down to his own staff. Mr. Cheney is simply not the type of role model to whom we wish to bestow the responsibility of addressing our best and brightest as they ?go forth to serve?.

Today more than ever, the LDS church and its educational institutions have come under unwarranted criticism for close links to Republican political interests. Recently, faculty members in BYU?s own Marriott School of Business attracted national attention for using their professional positions to endorse and fundraise for Republican Mitt Romney?s bid for the White House. While the individuals involved in the situation were appropriately reprimanded, some spectators have erroneously concluded that the LDS Church privately endorses Republican political candidates, while maintaining an official, public position of political neutrality. Mr. Cheney's visit will do nothing to dispel that misconception. In fact, it will serve only as a troubling and untimely reminder of the dominant political influence that his party has on politics in Utah, and will be viewed by many as a tacit endorsement of the Vice President?s party, and its policies.

For these reasons, we humbly request that Mr. Cheney not be permitted to use the BYU commencement ceremony as a platform for his controversial political agenda. We further request that if the board upholds their decision to allow Mr. Cheney to speak, that a prominent Democrat be invited to speak at a similar university-wide event.
There seems to be little question as to who organized this event. The radical liberal element among Mormon students at BYU is after all, rampant to say the least.

LINK to petition which has to date been signed by nearly 3,200 "terrorist sympathizers".
 
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I thought Romney had the mormon money and vote all locked up at this point? :shrug:
Apparently not.
When dealing with his Mormon religion, for instance, he often tries making jokes. At a dinner of Washington insiders Saturday, he noted Giuliani had suggested he may let his wife sit in on Cabinet meetings.

"If I adopt the same policy," Romney cracked, "We're going to need a heck of a lot more chairs in the Cabinet room."

LINK to full article
 

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Mormons have always been known for their subversive, hateful, leftist, Anti-Americanism. It was only a matter of time before a bastion of extremism like BYU would erupt in flag-burning spite. I'm really surprised Cheney would be brave enough to visit such an environment, especially after his scare in Afghanistan.
 

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Yeah, clearly McCain and his bullet proof vest would be better prepared to invade the BYU campus and prove how safe it is, even for enemies.
 

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ok I'll try again-- to Gregg or anyone

original questions

Would you agree the radicals of Dem party could conclusively be tagged the party of hate?

Why is it this party who are suppose to be advocates of non-violence and free speech--actions grossly dictate just the opposite.

Can anyone think of event when Dem associations on campus invited speakers and the conservatives protested?

Why is this
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I'll give you three answers, Wayne, if that will help.

1. No. I wouldn't say that the few radicals that engage in violent activities allow you to label an entire party any one thing, despite how hard you try. No more fair than me labeling the radical religious right faction making the conservative party the party of love.

2. Again, focusing on the actions of a few (and not even the ones posted about here, which I pointed out were non-violent), does not label an entire party anything.

3. I believe I posted a couple of those scenarios a while back, and you blew them off as not being populated enough (and again, I will point out that the group referenced in this thread numbers around 200, and includes Republicans).

I know you won't LIKE the answers, but you had to have some, I guess.
 

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ok I'll try again-- to Gregg or anyone

original questions

Would you agree the radicals of Dem party could conclusively be tagged the party of hate?

Why is it this party who are suppose to be advocates of non-violence and free speech--actions grossly dictate just the opposite.

Can anyone think of event when Dem associations on campus invited speakers and the conservatives protested?

Why is this
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Wayne, I already answered your first question.
Wayne, the fact that I reside in the district that was previously represented in the House by Tom Delay, I have a difficult time agreeing with your assesment. Delay's underhanded antics were truly despicable and have certainly tainted my view of your party. Additionally, I believe that if we look at the collective attitudes of the Republican and Democratic posters on this forum, it is safe to say that the rightwingers post in a much more hateful manner.
 
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OK, Wayniekins - I will humor your quearies...

ok I'll try again-- to Gregg or anyone

original questions

Would you agree the radicals of Dem party could conclusively be tagged the party of hate?
Very loaded question. The radicals of ANY party tend to me more crazy and prone to violence. Hard to measure hate, because that's an internal thing, but yeah - probably more tendency towards that.

Why is it this party who are suppose to be advocates of non-violence and free speech--actions grossly dictate just the opposite.
They do? What Democrat Party actions have led you to this conclusion? Something Obama or Clinton said? Did Pelosi pass some anti-free speech thing that he haven't heard about?

Can anyone think of event when Dem associations on campus invited speakers and the conservatives protested?
Long list but here's a few of the top of a quick search...

Republicans protest viewing of Fahrenheit 9-11 at Cal State Chico
http://media.www.theorion.com/media...00608022052&sourcedomain=www.orion-online.net

Franciscan University Republicans protest visit of Sherrod Brown
http://fusrepublicans.com/

South Dakota Univ Republicans protest Howard Dean's visit
http://www.crnc.org/index.php?content=DeanScream

NC college republicans protest at NC Dem party state convention
http://www.crnc.org/index.php?content=NCarticle

GA Tech republicans protest viewing of Vagina Monologues
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27434

U Fla protest John Edwards rally
http://www.alligator.org/edit/news/issues/stories/041018protests.html

U Fla republicans protest Kanye West concert
http://www.alligator.org/pt2/051014kanye.php

U Wisc republicans protest visit by Jane Fonda and George Galloway
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=356849

....you know, this list goes on and on and on. Let me know if you want any more. I have other things to do, but will be glad to copy-paste however many links you need to quench your thirst for knowledge.:)
 

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Saul:

I'm proud to say, you are maturing. In the meantime, watch out for those radical leftist Mormons. They are as nasty as the Van Buren boys.

FF (former father)
 

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Eddie, thank you for the kind words. I'm ever-vigilent of Mormon socialists. Their ilk knows no boundaries when it comes to hating freedom and dragging the nation into the gutter. Knowing you are somewhere watching my work exposing this 'enemy within' with pride gives me strength.
 

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Is that the best you could come up with Smurph- for periods of 04 thru 07 ?

I read each one and no violence no arrest and several had less than 10 demonstrators:shrug:

Where's all your pyro's--traffic blockers--Flag burning-troop dissing-chair throwing fanatics that comprise the liberal element--couldn't even find any screamers except in the "Dean Scream" one

??A group of young Republicans planned a ?scream-alike? contest outside a Democratic reception for Dean and party candidates Wednesday night, to parrot one of Dean's more emotional public speeches.? :)
 
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