I guess John Edwards lied too right liberals?? lol

[CHARLESMANSON]

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.

"Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq's efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction. ? Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002

Congressional Record ? Sen. John Edwards


any liberals want to explain this?

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

I just don't get it. How in the name of God can you make these statements then run for V.P. and on the preposterous basis that "Bush lied"??? lol....are these guys for real??........To this day Sen. Edwards has still not responded to questions regarding his statements. Neither has Kerry. Nice political party you democrats have. Nice candidates. What a bunch of flip-flopping dumbshits.

 

[dr. freeze]

John Edwards also told a jury that he "channeled a fetus" and that he could feel its pain as he was screwing over a doctor and bilking the health care industry for millions by claiming that cerebral palsy was a doctor's fault.

 

[Englishman]

It's all going so well.

I notice that Howard Dean said recently that John Edwards is a real contender for the nomination in 2008.

Yeesssss.....no point in us conservatives doing or saying anything....let's just leave the liberals alone to do their thing and everything will be fine.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Couldn't agree more boys. The democrats have not had strong candidates by any stretch of the imagination. Even so, its is amazing the con (used intentionally) job your boys have done. While you attack the democrats, your boys have:

1) gotten over 1400 Americans killed and tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children for no apparent reason;
2) flip flopped on the reasons for these killings;
3) lowered taxes for wealthy friends while turning a surplus into 500 billion dollar deficit:
4) determined that juries were not capable of assessing damages in personal injury and medical malpractice cases but apparently are very capable of determing when a persons life should end;
5) replaced activist liberal judges with activist conservative judges a la the Alabama sex toys case in another thread;
6) systematically taken away the rights of the American people while protecting and promoting corporate America and the crimes of its executives;
7) established an aura of fear throughout the populace;
8) spent more money in the history of this country than any other tax and spend democratic administration.
9) convinced Americans that the media was liberal when in fact it is owned, operated and paid for by the likes of Disney, General Electric and other corporate American conglomerates.

Yep, despite all of the foregoing, 60 million people voted for these criminals. A well planned out con job. My hats off to the religous conservatives and greedy Cheney types who orchestrated this take over of the USA.

Eddie

 

[smurphy]

What can I say? All of you are right. Eddie, English, Manson. What's a centrist to do?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

where do I start Edward--how bout #1
"
1) gotten over 1400 Americans killed and tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children for no apparent reason;

no reason?? The whole middle east is taking on new look with democracies--from once terrorist states-Pakistan-Lybia-Saudi-Yemen aiding terrorist to now prosecuting them--only a blind liberal could look at this scenerio and say no apparent reason

and get off the greedy conservative kick--
You have Edwrads and Kerry harping about 2 america's and how they are for the poor--Now you can let these liberal attorneys blow smoke up the minions and uneducated ass's--
--but facts prove their motives--you got Kerry giving 0 to charity on tax returns and Edwards bilking the people in Medicare system out of $591,000 on tax dodge--Proof positive who they are really looking out for.

---AND per your "greedy Cheney" staement--in case you and the liberal lemmings don't know
Cheney gave over 8 MILLION to charity--his entire Haliburton stock options--
--so blow some more smoke up our ass Edward

The "Gift Trust Agreement" the Cheney's signed two days before he took office turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education , a charity that provides financial aid for low-income students in Washington, DC to attend private and religious schools.

The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," so the Cheney's can't take back their options later.

 

[ferdville]

I hear often that the Bush adminstration has, as Edward states,
"systematically taken away the rights of the American people while protecting and promoting corporate America and the crimes of its executives." I wonder how many MJ members have had their rights taken away? I would like to hear from them. And please keep in mind that there is a difference between rights, inalienable and otherwise, and privilege.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Ferdville:

I think your question should be posed "How many MJ members KNOW they the Bush Administration is systematically taking their rights away?" I mean after all, 60 million of, shall I say, our less informed citizens voted for this criminal.

If I may anticipate your next salvo of right wing, facist propaganda, we could start with the wonderfully named "Patriot Act". Yeah, I know you don't like the name calling. But if the shoe fits, and it does, this Administrations outline is based upon 1930's Germany. Scare the crap out of em (orange level) then convince them not to change oarsman in mid stream.

Eddie

 

[dr. freeze]

I disagree with a lot of the patriot act myself.

However i think its a necessary evil unless we start deporting and lock down the borders. But that being said, i don't necessarily want the borders locked down because that means we are locked in.

I also disagree with tort reform.

However i think its a necessary evil because i dont trust lawyers and judges and the way they PICK the juries....any juror who uses reason before emotion is quickly discarded.

Lots of probles with no clear cut way to solve them as each solution produces bad side effects.

 

[dr. freeze]

and Edward enough of the "tens of thousands of women and children"

that is garbage.

also enough of the "fliip flopping reasons"

if you read the senate resolution that was passed BEFORE THE WAR, you find all the reasons you want why we went in there

lose the rhetoric please...it is old and tiring

 

[bjfinste]

Edward,

You certainly hit the nail on the head with No. 9. One of the most impressive con jobs in recent American history.

 

[The Judge]

This quote is from October 2002; not during the campaign.

 

[djv]

They have a form of tort reform in Europe and it seems to work.
Lawyers 20% max, and totoal settlement capped at 350000 in us $$.
Did it lower there health care cost. Didn't matter theirs is paid for by the state. They have great health care and doc's still make home visits. It's payed by higher taxes. Average cost on there tax bill a extra 900 in us $$. Hell health care for $900/1000 a year thats a good deal. And before you tell me how bad there system is checkout there life expectancies. Iceland, Spain, Norway, Italy, Sweden, France, Switzerland have longer ones then we do here. And England and Germany are the same as ours. Of course I guess that's not saying much Cuba has longer then us to. But before the Europe haters blow them off. Remember were better off with Europe on our side. Even if we only get a little money from them it's better then nothing. And politician might be crooked is not news is it. And don't they always try to help there rich friends first. Just one party seems to worry more about that then the other. It's like the minimum wage. They might be for it but not if one of there buddies say oh we will go broke. No one ever went broke paying a fair salary. They do go broke when they get greedy or don't have a working business plan. And for sure are under capitalize to start with.

 

[ferdville]

Edward - please expound on what rights of yours have been ripped from you? And thanks again, as usual, for the epithets
that you can't seem to forgo. You should call on some of your multitude of MJ followers to likewise pipe up with a list of the rights they too have had snatched from their heart. Sometimes it is necessary to give up some of our individual rights for the sake of society as a whole. Working in a very liberal setting nonetheless, I have heard no one bemoan the loss of their rights.

 

[dr. freeze]

you are blind and deaf if you do not think the mainstream media is not liberal

walt disney is one of the most liberal organizations around...and besides, the owner does not necessarily dictate the slant as it does in CNN and FOX's cases....

the major newspapers are almost all liberal

all 3 networks are liberal....rather, brokencraw, and jennings are all closet socialists.....williams is no different....look at the morning people....couric, lauer, walters all PC leftists

only 1 cable news channel is conservative

i guess only a card carrying ACLU liberal can fail to see the obvious

 

[StevieD]

But don't forget this is coming from a guy who thinks nazi's are liberal.

 

[dr. freeze]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

if you go on the basis that left wing extremists are totalitarian

and you go on the basis that right wing extremists are anarchists

how can you argue?

 

[dr. freeze]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

Speech of May 1, 1927.



does this sound like a right winger to you?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You are correct on most points DJV but failed to say how they pay for it. Which of those countries has higher economical growth rate than U.S. -none Their income taxes are much higher plus their consumer taxes taxes are MUCH higher--
Example--
Taxes on fuel are of course the big difference between Europe and the United States. U.S. gas taxes average about 40 cents a gallon; European taxes are about $2 a gallon. In Britain, the current excise tax per gallon is $3.40, says Ian Parry of Resources for the Future, an environmental think-tank based in Washington. That stunningly high tax is defended by Prime Minister Tony Blair?s government as necessary for reducing pollution, easing traffic congestion and encouraging consumers to purchase more fuel efficient cars-----
----"the so-called Eurozone is falling behind the U.S. again as reported in The Financial Times on Friday. The American growth rate hit 3.8 percent for the last quarter. The Euros are in the tank. In fact, the French economy ? a worker's paradise where no employee is allowed by law to work more than 35 hours a week ? is now plagued by a full 10 percent unemployment rate. Ten percent isn't much different than 9.9 percent, which is what the unemployment rate was just last month. But double-digit unemployment is kind of breathtaking, even if it is in France."

And on top of all that, Saudi Arabia announced that the $50 plus price of oil will probably be around for a while ? the heads of major western consumer nations gasped and started hollering.
Hey, it's bad for a lot of people including the U.S. ? obviously. But the Europeans were especially anguished because their economies seem to be so fragile at the moment. The last thing they need to hear is that 50 buck-a-barrel oil is now normal.



bottom line look at immigration from other countries to U.S. and look at # leaving U.S.
Would be nice if the left would apply action to their convictions, beside chin music, and move to all these utopia's they deem better.