I wonder how Scott will spin this....
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Congrats, we found one thing saying LSU would beat USC. I along with "most" of the country, feel USC would beat LSU. "Most" of the country feels USC is the #1 team in the nation. Of course some people will think LSU is better, and you know what, thats their opinion. LSU deserved a BCS National Championship.
To all the LSU/SEC fans/posters who think LSU would beat USC.
Fist off, USC D is as good or almost as good as LSU, 2nd LSU has never seen an Off like what Chow has put together. USC has some of the best playmakers if not the best playmakers at every skill position. All of the USC running backs can double as wr and will shift out of the back field and can take it to the house, not brag just a fact and in every game. Even USC fullback caught several TD, not short ones but 30 plus yards. USC first string TE averaged nearly 20 yrds per catch, looks allot like a young Kellen Winslow when he was good. USC has the best receiver in college football in Mike Williams, yes I have seen the others play and none of them are as good. The guy cant be covered on a consistent basis. Even when he is covered he is open because of his size and strength. You don't believe me, watch some of your games. No brag just fact. USC other starting wide receiver has some of the best hands in the country and has very good speed. USC third receiver is a freshman phenom and the guys backing up this crew are as good as most teams starters.
USC has a stable of young running backs that are 2nd to none. Bush is on of the best to come out of California in years with blinding speed, vision and moves. He is also an excellent receiver. Lendale White is a huge 230 pound tailback with good speed, great strength and has become a good receiver.
I could go on but let me tell you this..if you have not watched at least 4 or 5 of USC's games you have no idea what kind of offense USC has. Its not west coast, its not spread, its something that nobody has ever seen before.
As for USC D, USC sacked the Michigan QB 9 times. He had only been sacked 15 times the whole year. If you have any idea who that equates to you would shout your pie hole.
I have seen LSU team play 4 times this year. I can tell you without a doubt if SC played LSU this year 10 times USC would win at least 7 maybe 8 of those games and don't try and sell this crap that USC has not seen good defense, the PAC 10 plays good defense. The truth is that the offensives are so wide open that any D gets scored on. Check out the Cal Va tech game. Cal posted 17 more points on Va Tech than any other oppponet all year. OU was a one trick pony, there aren't any one trick pony's in the Pac 10 except for maybe the Bruins who have the worse offense in the entire Pac 10. By the way that Offense scored 24 points on the Sooners, what did LSU pathetic offense score? 21 if I recall.
I keep hearing the LSU moron mantra..defense wins championships. Well thats only part of the story. The team that outscores the other team wins and that is a fact not some mantra. While its true its always good to have a great defense you also have to have a pretty good offense to win. Just ask the Ravens, the NFL one trick pony this year.
Ohio State had what many people considered to be the best defense in the nation. Michigan scored quite a few points on the heralded defense. They only scored 14 on SC. Run that through your computer chip head.
Iowa last year told USC the same crap you are telling USC this year, they only scored 11 points on us until we put in the 2nd string. You know Iowa the team that hammered the team that beat LSU at LSU. Are the lights starting to come on yet?
Fight On!!!!!!!!!!!
Fist off, USC D is as good or almost as good as LSU, 2nd LSU has never seen an Off like what Chow has put together. USC has some of the best playmakers if not the best playmakers at every skill position. All of the USC running backs can double as wr and will shift out of the back field and can take it to the house, not brag just a fact and in every game. Even USC fullback caught several TD, not short ones but 30 plus yards. USC first string TE averaged nearly 20 yrds per catch, looks allot like a young Kellen Winslow when he was good. USC has the best receiver in college football in Mike Williams, yes I have seen the others play and none of them are as good. The guy cant be covered on a consistent basis. Even when he is covered he is open because of his size and strength. You don't believe me, watch some of your games. No brag just fact. USC other starting wide receiver has some of the best hands in the country and has very good speed. USC third receiver is a freshman phenom and the guys backing up this crew are as good as most teams starters.
USC has a stable of young running backs that are 2nd to none. Bush is on of the best to come out of California in years with blinding speed, vision and moves. He is also an excellent receiver. Lendale White is a huge 230 pound tailback with good speed, great strength and has become a good receiver.
I could go on but let me tell you this..if you have not watched at least 4 or 5 of USC's games you have no idea what kind of offense USC has. Its not west coast, its not spread, its something that nobody has ever seen before.
As for USC D, USC sacked the Michigan QB 9 times. He had only been sacked 15 times the whole year. If you have any idea who that equates to you would shout your pie hole.
I have seen LSU team play 4 times this year. I can tell you without a doubt if SC played LSU this year 10 times USC would win at least 7 maybe 8 of those games and don't try and sell this crap that USC has not seen good defense, the PAC 10 plays good defense. The truth is that the offensives are so wide open that any D gets scored on. Check out the Cal Va tech game. Cal posted 17 more points on Va Tech than any other oppponet all year. OU was a one trick pony, there aren't any one trick pony's in the Pac 10 except for maybe the Bruins who have the worse offense in the entire Pac 10. By the way that Offense scored 24 points on the Sooners, what did LSU pathetic offense score? 21 if I recall.
I keep hearing the LSU moron mantra..defense wins championships. Well thats only part of the story. The team that outscores the other team wins and that is a fact not some mantra. While its true its always good to have a great defense you also have to have a pretty good offense to win. Just ask the Ravens, the NFL one trick pony this year.
Ohio State had what many people considered to be the best defense in the nation. Michigan scored quite a few points on the heralded defense. They only scored 14 on SC. Run that through your computer chip head.
Iowa last year told USC the same crap you are telling USC this year, they only scored 11 points on us until we put in the 2nd string. You know Iowa the team that hammered the team that beat LSU at LSU. Are the lights starting to come on yet?
Fight On!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahhh...of USC had been invited to the big game and had won, we would be having this discussion. (At least with Scott) This is his way of venting his frustration.....
Maybe if USC's opponants end up better next year , maybe they will be given a shot. But this year, they played one of the worst schedules in America. If they had to play the rigors of a BIG10 or SEC schedule, who knows if they even finish with 1 loss. No one will know.....The one school worth a chit in the PAC10 had to come to USC to play.....
I have already said that USC is a very good team....but facts are facts, and that is that they are not the National Champs AGAIN!
They were voted in because they lost first. Maybe next year!
Maybe if USC's opponants end up better next year , maybe they will be given a shot. But this year, they played one of the worst schedules in America. If they had to play the rigors of a BIG10 or SEC schedule, who knows if they even finish with 1 loss. No one will know.....The one school worth a chit in the PAC10 had to come to USC to play.....
I have already said that USC is a very good team....but facts are facts, and that is that they are not the National Champs AGAIN!
They were voted in because they lost first. Maybe next year!
The Big Tease
That post you just made could not be more wrong, and unfortunately reveals your intelligence level of College Football and the BCS Format. I found it to be a very humerous post because you actually meant every word you posted.
I will not bother to prove each point of yours to be wrong.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131102
That post you just made could not be more wrong, and unfortunately reveals your intelligence level of College Football and the BCS Format. I found it to be a very humerous post because you actually meant every word you posted.
I will not bother to prove each point of yours to be wrong.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131102
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Oh Scotty boy......Must a state a few FACTS for you, since you are so keen on FACTS.
1.) USC played one of the weakest schedules in Div 1A football.
2.) USC fans are very mad.
3.) USC is a paper National Champion. They had to rely on a vote and the fact that they lost first to win a Paper National Championship.
4.) They did not win a National Championship on the field as did LSU, because USC was not invited to play the BIG game.
**If you want to know why they were not invited.....see FACT #1.
Go sleep in a hole for about 9 months and pretend this didnt happen and you Trojans can try again!
1.) USC played one of the weakest schedules in Div 1A football.
2.) USC fans are very mad.
3.) USC is a paper National Champion. They had to rely on a vote and the fact that they lost first to win a Paper National Championship.
4.) They did not win a National Championship on the field as did LSU, because USC was not invited to play the BIG game.
**If you want to know why they were not invited.....see FACT #1.
Go sleep in a hole for about 9 months and pretend this didnt happen and you Trojans can try again!
Scott4USC said:
Williams is great, but the NFL scouts are not drooling over a certain player from Pitt because he is the second best. Will Williams one day be a better pro than Fitzgerald, or Roy Williams, or for some no-name playing in the MAC, I don't know. But saying that any one of them is the best player in the land is not a fact, it is a personal opinion.
USC is a great team, a great school, and a great institution. But there are other great schools out there too - yet their alumni/students don't need to constantly boast and or prove their universities' worth. Handicapping and sports in general is something that you can't look at with blinders, and some of these posts lead me to believe that you're not being an objective observer to what is goes on across the nation every Saturday.
If USC was better than every team in that nation at virtually every position, they would not have lost a game this year. All time great teams do not lose, and if this USC squad was in that category they wouldn't have had that one blemish. If they can go undefeated next season, and win an outright National Championship, then and only then can all doubt be put to rest about this USC teams' place in history.
I don't want to come across as attacking you in my posts - because honestly I'm not. But if I came on here constantly talking up my school, or the team that I played on when I was there, I think I would understand that people would get annoyed pretty fast. Good luck with your capping of the Pac Ten - you seem to have a handle on it. Personally I avoid it all together, been burned too many times on upsets ala UCLA vs Stanford this season. Not worth the stress on my heart or bankroll to mess with those upsets anymore.
like i said before, USC could beat LSU on a neutral field, but to go down to the Superdome and win there, probably would not of happend....Even on a neutral field it would of been to close to call. Anyone can say how great USC or LSU is, but you'll never see that match up again. USC has to stick with their paper trophy, while LSU holds the crystal....But i have to agree with most that the SEC is a tougher conference than the PAC-10, no doubt about it...
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The Big Tease
You left me no choice but to embarrass you. I am sorry to do it because I respect you as handicapper and poster on this site. I simply do not understand your last 2 posts. Everything in quotes is said by you.
USC SOS was ranked #37. That means, out of over 100 Div. 1a teams, USC played the 37th toughest SOS. Not too shabby, especially when you factor in on how so many teams screwed USC. LSU had the 29th SOS. Your quote is pretty embarassing statement.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSRankings
Why would USC fans be mad when their team just won a National Championship? Especially when when USC fans were expecting this to be a rebuilding year. Absolutely no reason to be mad, but to be estatic about the future of this USC program. Next year is the year most USC fans were proclaiming a NC run. Still do no understand your last statement. USC fans might be little disapointed they have to share their NC, but that is the system and nothing you can do about it.
Let me fill you in on the system. Since the BCS came about, the National Champion recieved a BCS Trophy and an AP trophy. Nothing has changed and nothing has been added. This is the first year the AP did not agree with the BCS Champion. Therefore USC got the AP trophy and LSU the BCS Trophy. Neither trophy is better than the other. Both teams won a split NC. There is nothing more to debate about that. Why you bring that up, I have no idea. Makes you look silly. If you want to go deeper, we can. Both the AP and the Coaches poll (BCS) had USC #1. The coaches poll were obligated to vote LSU #1. They had no choice, but prior to that, they had USC #1. Also in the numerous non-coerced polls, USC is a unanimous NUMBER ONE! So USC fans can make an easy argument that "most" people across the country feel USC was the best team in the nation this year. However, USC split the NC, no argument can be made about that.
Thats funny, the last 2 years USC dominated the BIG 10 Champ. Also, if you did not read my post about the MYTH OF THE SEC, read it. You will be left with no choice but to believe SEC is not a dominant conference.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130733
Kdogg21
You def. need to read my post about the MYTH OF THE SEC. IF you read it, you will be left with no choice to take back your statement about the SEC being a dominant conference. Otherwise your ignorant.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131102
Blackman
Good post, but Mike Williams is the #1 WR in the country. Pro Scouts have even said so. He is not getting so much draft pub is because he is coming back to USC next year. NFL is drooling to get this guy.
This was rebuilding year for USC and USC was playing a lot of frosh and soph. That can help explain losing to CAL @ CAL in triple OT. But taking nothing away from CAL, they are good team.
You left me no choice but to embarrass you. I am sorry to do it because I respect you as handicapper and poster on this site. I simply do not understand your last 2 posts. Everything in quotes is said by you.
USC SOS was ranked #37. That means, out of over 100 Div. 1a teams, USC played the 37th toughest SOS. Not too shabby, especially when you factor in on how so many teams screwed USC. LSU had the 29th SOS. Your quote is pretty embarassing statement.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSRankings
Why would USC fans be mad when their team just won a National Championship? Especially when when USC fans were expecting this to be a rebuilding year. Absolutely no reason to be mad, but to be estatic about the future of this USC program. Next year is the year most USC fans were proclaiming a NC run. Still do no understand your last statement. USC fans might be little disapointed they have to share their NC, but that is the system and nothing you can do about it.
Let me fill you in on the system. Since the BCS came about, the National Champion recieved a BCS Trophy and an AP trophy. Nothing has changed and nothing has been added. This is the first year the AP did not agree with the BCS Champion. Therefore USC got the AP trophy and LSU the BCS Trophy. Neither trophy is better than the other. Both teams won a split NC. There is nothing more to debate about that. Why you bring that up, I have no idea. Makes you look silly. If you want to go deeper, we can. Both the AP and the Coaches poll (BCS) had USC #1. The coaches poll were obligated to vote LSU #1. They had no choice, but prior to that, they had USC #1. Also in the numerous non-coerced polls, USC is a unanimous NUMBER ONE! So USC fans can make an easy argument that "most" people across the country feel USC was the best team in the nation this year. However, USC split the NC, no argument can be made about that.
Thats funny, the last 2 years USC dominated the BIG 10 Champ. Also, if you did not read my post about the MYTH OF THE SEC, read it. You will be left with no choice but to believe SEC is not a dominant conference.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=130733
Kdogg21
You def. need to read my post about the MYTH OF THE SEC. IF you read it, you will be left with no choice to take back your statement about the SEC being a dominant conference. Otherwise your ignorant.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131102
Blackman
Good post, but Mike Williams is the #1 WR in the country. Pro Scouts have even said so. He is not getting so much draft pub is because he is coming back to USC next year. NFL is drooling to get this guy.
This was rebuilding year for USC and USC was playing a lot of frosh and soph. That can help explain losing to CAL @ CAL in triple OT. But taking nothing away from CAL, they are good team.
Alright - I'm not going to argue anymore, I don't see how opinions are facts so I guess in your mind Williams will be number 1 and Fitz will be in mine.
Well Scotty boy.....I guess rankings are arbitrary. The rankings that I use to do a lot of my handicapping at teamrankings.com says that USC played the 84th toughest schedule in the nation and that is AFTER the bowl game.
Now it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that the quality of opponants USC played this year is not good.
As far as the rest.....believe what you want....but USC is a paper champion. They did not play in a National Championship game, and if they had last against Oregon State as opposed to CAL earlier in the season, your trophy case would still be missing this years AP trophy.
Try running the table next year and win a real championship like the Buckeyes, LOL!
Now it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that the quality of opponants USC played this year is not good.
As far as the rest.....believe what you want....but USC is a paper champion. They did not play in a National Championship game, and if they had last against Oregon State as opposed to CAL earlier in the season, your trophy case would still be missing this years AP trophy.
Try running the table next year and win a real championship like the Buckeyes, LOL!
guys...the fawking season is over...can we just DROP this and start about recruiting...coaching changes...and whatever that can HELP us...
thanks
thanks
you got some good points Scott, but still if the SEC was that bad, why would they have 5 teams ranked in the top 25 compared to a measly 2 for the Pac 10, and you great AP poll people ranked those 5 teams as well...
Oh chill out Hellah......no one ever talks about anything in this forum during the offseason ESPECIALLY this soon after the season is over.
If you are capping next years college football season already, you got problems, LOL
If you are capping next years college football season already, you got problems, LOL
The Big Tease
Something we agree on. I do not know why people have problem about our debates when there is absolutely nothing else going on in college football. Also these same people who complain never start new threads. This place would be ghost town.
Kdogg21
That is the reason so many SEC teams are ranked top 25, because they basically all win their OOC games. Also the SEC and other conferences usually have teams at the bottom that rarely pull off upsets. Then not every SEC team plays each other and often 2 of the top 5 SEC teams do not play each other. Happens all the time. In the Pac 10 upsets happen all the time. ALL THE TIME. Tough conference top to bottom in most years.
hellah10
I was disapointed USC did not get GINN. Guy is gonna be at stud at Ohio St. but knew USC was climbing uphill battle. Almost got him. How is Davis looking? USC is recruiting 4 of the top 10 WR's in the nation this year but does not have any verbals from any of them. USC is top 2 in all of there leaders. I heard Davis eliminated OSU (which you said was his lock) and has USC and Miami as leaders. Is that true? How good is he?
Something we agree on. I do not know why people have problem about our debates when there is absolutely nothing else going on in college football. Also these same people who complain never start new threads. This place would be ghost town.
Kdogg21
That is the reason so many SEC teams are ranked top 25, because they basically all win their OOC games. Also the SEC and other conferences usually have teams at the bottom that rarely pull off upsets. Then not every SEC team plays each other and often 2 of the top 5 SEC teams do not play each other. Happens all the time. In the Pac 10 upsets happen all the time. ALL THE TIME. Tough conference top to bottom in most years.
hellah10
I was disapointed USC did not get GINN. Guy is gonna be at stud at Ohio St. but knew USC was climbing uphill battle. Almost got him. How is Davis looking? USC is recruiting 4 of the top 10 WR's in the nation this year but does not have any verbals from any of them. USC is top 2 in all of there leaders. I heard Davis eliminated OSU (which you said was his lock) and has USC and Miami as leaders. Is that true? How good is he?
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