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Toledo Prophet

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....in either the coachs or harriss, the two polls that determine 2/3 of the BCS system.

Give me your top 5, as you see it today, Dec 2, 2007.

Here's mine:

1 LSU
2 OU
3 USC
4 UGA
5 OSU

W/ Va Tech, Missouri, Hawaii, KU and ASU maybe rounding out the top-10 in no particular order.

I can be convinced to switch my 4 and 5.

OU at 2 over USC because of that egg vs Stanford gives OU the better resume, but by a very slim margin in my eyes.....truthfully, i am up and open for any argument that shuffles around my top 3.
 

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....in either the coachs or harriss, the two polls that determine 2/3 of the BCS system.

Give me your top 5, as you see it today, Dec 2, 2007.

Here's mine:

1 LSU
2 OU
3 USC
4 UGA
5 OSU

W/ Va Tech, Missouri, Hawaii, KU and ASU maybe rounding out the top-10 in no particular order.

I can be convinced to switch my 4 and 5.

OU at 2 over USC because of that egg vs Stanford gives OU the better resume, but by a very slim margin in my eyes.....truthfully, i am up and open for any argument that shuffles around my top 3.

tp....

i tend to agree with you but i don't know off hand what each team's sos is....

i notice that people keep bringing up usc's loss to stanford (who beat calif. last night)....wasn't usc playing with out their starting qb ?

if i get a chance i will check out a site that i use for sos...
 

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Top 5 teams as a poll voter would be:

LSU - Tugh and gritty enough to pull out the win while in need of a fully operational MASH unit on the sideline, including starting QB and Nat'l defensive player of the year. Only losses in OT. By far the most quality wins of any team. BTW, a month off will get this team healthy.....lookout whoever they face whether it be Sugar Bowl or BCS Championship

USC The D is lights out at this point. Playing better than anyone right now, and no team wants to play them right now. PC with a month will have these guys in gear.

Okie - The defense looked awsome while blowing out #1 Mizz. How good is that frosh DE?! Playing excellent football right now.

UGA The problem I have w/ UGA's resume, aside from the lack of a conference title, is that were blown out by Tenn. MR is a great HC, and these guys will also be hell on wheels in rthe BCS title game.

Ohio St 1 solid win vs an above-average Mich team. Other than that, Ohio St has played no one. I wold have a 1 loss WV in this spot had they not lost last night.


How great would it be for #1 vs. #4 and #2 vs. #3(LSU vs. UGA and OU vs. USC) to play on New Year's day, with the winners squaring off the following week. At that point, we would have a true Nat'l Champion.

Instead, one of those 4 will play a lesser Ohio St team for a bogus Nat'l Championship. Sad, but true......
 

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tp....

i tend to agree with you but i don't know off hand what each team's sos is....

i notice that people keep bringing up usc's loss to stanford (who beat calif. last night)....wasn't usc playing with out their starting qb ?

if i get a chance i will check out a site that i use for sos...

Al, LSU just beat a far superior team than Stanford with their back-up QB(who played the 2nd half with an open wound on his throwing hand) and wthout the services of the defensive player of the year;) You gotta overcome imo
 

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tp....

i tend to agree with you but i don't know off hand what each team's sos is....

i notice that people keep bringing up usc's loss to stanford (who beat calif. last night)....wasn't usc playing with out their starting qb ?

if i get a chance i will check out a site that i use for sos...

I think, IIRC, that USC's starting QB got hurt during that Stanford game, but played through it....Sanchez, the backup, played the whole way in thier loss to Oregon......again, thats my memory, if I am wrong someone please point it out.....they only lost by 7 at Oregon, how would that game have been different w/ Booty? Thats worth discussing, for sure.

But.....USC w/o their # 1 QB at full strength lost at home to Standford.....OU saw their #1 QB get knocked out of a game early and they lost on the road to TT as a result......lot of teams lose at TT w/ or w/o their #1 QB.....lot of teams beat Stanford at home even w/ their #2 QB playing.

I think USC is awesome, but when parsing resumes, that loss has to hurt them.

Although looking at SOS #s, maybe I am being a bit dismissive of USC because of that loss....

Cie, I like your rankings.....but I love your mini tournament......boy would that be fun to watch and gamble on!!!

Instead, we will get another Mythical National Champion.
 

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LSU
Oklahoma
Ohio State
USC
Georgia

I have UGA fifth because they did not win their conference.

USC is fourth. I don't care if they had to pull a QB from the stands in their game against Stanford. The Trojans had no business losing that game.

Ohio State is third mainly because they are a one loss team but they have a weak schedule and the Big 10 is a weak conference no doubt. ESPN says that OSU had four wins over ranked teams this year (#23 Purdue who is no longer ranked, #25 Penn State who is no longer ranked, #21 Wisconsin and #25 Michigan who is no longer ranked). Wow, LOL.

Oklahoma is second because of their conference strength. Both losses were on the road. I have a hard time overlooking the loss at Colorado but when OU had to step up to the plate, like last night in knocking off the #1 (in name only) team in the nation they took care of business.

LSU to me is a no brainer. It took 6OTs for them to lose 2 games. While the Arkansas game was a surprise, it's not a shock. To beat Virginia Tech, Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Alabama speaks volumes to me.

LSU vs Oklahoma in a Sugar Bowl rematch!
 

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Al, LSU just beat a far superior team than Stanford with their back-up QB(who played the 2nd half with an open wound on his throwing hand) and wthout the services of the defensive player of the year;) You gotta overcome imo

of course you're right...
 

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1 LSU
2 Georgia
3 Oklahoma
4 OhioSt

Then...a big drop off.....

5 VirginiaTech

I don't understand the statement ...."Ohh no one wants to play that team"....

Who cares. Its the resume. Not which team is the scariest. Who deserves the chance at the title based on their entire season. USC lost to Stanford at home. They don't deserve a thing.
 

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A case can be made for almost any ranking....but if you are a voter that had Georgia ahead of LSU last week you cannot with any intellectual honesty put LSU ahead of Georgia this week.
 

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A case can be made for almost any ranking....but if you are a voter that had Georgia ahead of LSU last week you cannot with any intellectual honesty put LSU ahead of Georgia this week.

why not?

the rationale is tenn beat uga then lsu beat tenn thus lsu should now be ranked higher than uga

that's the rationale it will take for lsu to hop uga in the standings which i think might just happen
 

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Please...Georgia beat Kentucky too and LSU lost. That game can be played all day. If a voter thought Georgia was better just 2 days ago they sure cant think LSU is better today....you think LSU would ahve beaten Georgia yesterday....not a chance.

As much as I hate the Big 11 I will be going heavy on OSU ML v Gump and company.
 

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here is an interesting argument for georgia...

here is an interesting argument for georgia...

Georgia has shown it deserves a title shot

Peter Schrager

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Under normal circumstances, college football polls work in an orderly and fairly predictable matter.

If the No. 1 and 2 teams lose, the No. 3 and 4 teams move up to take their place 99 percent of the time. Which means that Ohio State and Georgia should be making preparations for Jan. 7 and a BCS title game showdown as we type.
But there seems to be a strong sentiment among the talking heads that the Bulldogs should be disqualified from consideration for the title game simply because they were sitting at home watching the SEC title game instead of playing in it.

And that's just wrong.

In a college-football world filled with absolute chaos and utter confusion, the 2007 Georgia Bulldogs are the rare rock of clarity. With records, opponents, wins, losses, out-of-conference foes, intra-conference foes, weather, month, national visibility and respectability being analyzed with subjectivity and heated opinion across the country ? UGA's the logical team in this mess; the squad of reason.

Undoubtedly the hottest team in the nation over the course of the final two months of this rather bizarre college football season, Georgia entered Saturday's games as the No. 4 team in the BCS rankings. Like Ohio State, they did not lose. And just like the Buckeyes, they should slide up the polls two spots while idle.

If the system settles these arguments on paper as opposed to on the field, then the No. 4 Georgia Bulldogs should move to No. 2 when the previous 1 and 2 ranked teams go down. In a world clouded in grey, UGA's the black and white (or red) option for the No. 2 slot. Want to settle this with numbers, math and science? With reason and objectivity? Then UGA's the only way to go.

And it's not like the 'Dawgs are some charity case, backing into the postseason with a limp. Georgia deserves a trip to New Orleans as much as anybody. UGA finished the season with six straight wins, beat ranked teams both at home and on the road and only got better and better with each passing week, culminating with a dominating performance on their final weekend of the season against Georgia Tech. Of the top 15 ranked teams in the nation (outside of Hawaii), no squad other than Georgia's managed to maintain an undefeated record since October 6th. They've climbed the polls steadily without a peep of discontent from the general public. Why the sudden change of feelings now?

Coach Mark Richt presented his team's case on Saturday night, telling reporters, "Let's face it, going into today we were ranked No. 4 in the BCS. They ranked us there for a reason. They believed we belonged there. Two teams lost ahead of us. Everybody knew going in we were not going to play for a conference championship and still they voted us there. They voted us there for a reason and I don't know why that should change right now."

It shouldn't.

With super-frosh Knowshon Moreno and a healthy Thomas Brown carrying the rock, Georgia has arguably the best 1-2 rushing duo in the nation outside of the Darren McFadden-Felix Jones combo at Arkansas. Add in fifth year senior Kregg Lumpkin to the mix ? returning from an injury for the bowl game ? and you can make that the best 1-2-3. The passing game's improved dramatically since the 'Dawgs' October 6th loss to Tennessee, and the defense is working on all cylinders. Kentucky averaged 38 points per game in '07; Georgia held the 'Cats to 13 points a few weeks ago. Yes, the same Kentucky that (ahem) beat LSU earlier this season.

In a perfect world, Georgia would have played LSU for the SEC title on Saturday. But they didn't. Why should that matter? There's no rule in college football requiring a championship game for each conference. Ohio State's never won one; nor has USC. Notre Dame, West Virginia, Michigan ? nope, nope, nope and nope. Because the SEC is one of the five conferences to have such a game should not be a reason to penalize this Georgia squad.

Georgia was the fourth-ranked team in the country ? with voters well aware of the fact they wouldn't be playing in said championship game ? heading into Saturday. They did nothing to jeopardize that ranking. Why should they be penalized for it now, well after the fact?


So the 2001 Nebraska Cornhuskers and the 2004 Oklahoma Sooners flopped royally in national championship games after failing to win their conference titles. Does that ? and should that ? have anything to do with this destined and deserving Georgia squad? I'd hope not. Freezing the hottest team in the nation out of the big dance for previous teams' failures is like canceling the freshman ice cream social for the foul play of last year's seniors at the prom. It's not fair. It's not right.

Few would argue that no team in the nation finished their season playing better football than the Georgia Bulldogs. LSU's lost two games since the first weekend in October; Georgia's lost none. When asked about those SEC champion Tigers, Richt was rather blunt on Saturday night, "I think if we'd have played for the (SEC) championship, we certainly believe we could have won the game," Richt said. "Do I think we could beat LSU? Yes."

And who could argue with him? USC lost to both Stanford and Oregon since Georgia's last defeat; Virginia Tech fell to B.C. three weeks after; Oklahoma fell to unranked Texas Tech. Even Ohio State lost to Illinois ... at home. If you're going to reward the teams that finish the season looking the strongest, Georgia deserves a gold star. And in this case, even a silver will do.

In the end, options A, B, C, D, E, F and G can (and will) all make viable cases for their right to play Ohio State in the national championship game. From northwestern Virginia to the isles of Hawaii, there will be fans and academic institutions losing their collective breaths doing just that this week.

But if you're looking for the cut and dry answer ? the sensible, logical and fair case ? you need look no further than the team from Athens, Ga.
 

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Because the college presidents don't give a rat's
ass about their football program other than the
revenue it generates, as opposed to the basket-
ball program and the revenue it generates in
March Madness, (odds of getting into March-
Madness MUCH GREATER than 8 team playoff in
FB), the Bowl System is MUCH MORE to their
liking, thus MONEY TALKS AND FOOTBALL FANS
SUFFER.
Having said that, you'll never see an equitable
system in place for college FB.
You could throw 4 teams into a hat and draw
straws. LSU, GEORGIA, OU, USC. Each would
represent themselves quite well in this crazy
season we have seen. LV would set these lines
tighter than a virgins cunt, any other team thrown
into this mix would be a TD+ dog.
 

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A case can be made for almost any ranking....but if you are a voter that had Georgia ahead of LSU last week you cannot with any intellectual honesty put LSU ahead of Georgia this week.

But Sun, don't you remember, by SEC logic you cannot be the national champion if you don't win your conference........
 
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