I'll take mccain +645

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Would take it at that price but its gonna be a loser.

But Id bet almost everything I have right now on a Repubican House in 2010 and White House in 2012
 

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Second term for either is at +200. No one can turn this around in 4 years

Hmm already making excuses for him :mj07:

I would think history would prove 4 years is enough-

Both Clinton and GW came in office under recession.

Dow under Billy Bob gained about 500 points in 1st 2 years-- to close at about 3,500 then GOP took control of congress with contract with America and it shot to over 10,000

--and under GW went as high as 14,000 despite given the worst man made and natural disaters in history.

Corporate america is quite resilient if given opportunty---only a combination of anti business pres and congress can impact growth long term.

Last time we had that was in the 70's
--I remember those years--do you?
 

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And I see yet again, the only time you think a President can affect the economy to any degree is then it is essentially a democrat, Wayne. Taking no responsibility for fiscal policies and appointments to high finance offices that directly effect markets and economy has no real effect but simply because you can label a person as being anti-business can and will.

Again, very convenient blame and no-blame game. Taking credit for the republicans and blaming dems, taking credit for the Dow shooting to 14,000, and no responsibility for the current levels, and where we apparently are headed. Making no mention of Internet bubble you always rail on when talking smack about Clinton and his good economy, but giving credit to republicans at the same time.

Keep up the good work.
 

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I told you the polls are wrong.

Saw earlier that the Washington Post has the election at 43% to 42%.

McCain at +400 is a value bet....isn't it ?
 

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Subject: OBAMAMANIA!! VERY INTERESTING



This info is interesting. Obama supporters need to do some research?to say the least.




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Subject: OBAMAMANIA!! VERY INTERESTING

To All My Friends, this is long, but very
important, please take the time to read it. This election has me very
worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have
voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I
watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say
this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN,
and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with.

About six months ago, I started thinking 'where
did the money come from for Obama'? I have four daughters who went to
College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including
my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.

Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental
in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he
tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he
had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry'
(that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two
roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.

During the summer of 1981, after his second
year in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see
his mother in Indonesia , next Hyderabad in India , three weeks in
Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then
off to Africa to visit his father's family. My question - 'Where did
he get the money for this trip?' Neither I nor any one of my children
would have had money for a trip like this when they were in college.

When he came back he started school at Columbia
University in New York . It is at this time he wanted everyone to
call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at
Columbia? It's not cheap! to say the least. Where did he get money
for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe.

After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a
Community Organizer for $12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New
York ? He was already living in New York.

By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born
in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has
been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named
'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business and
Professional Association'.

About two years later, Obama entered Harvard
Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law
School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student
loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him
a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis,
Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Rezar' which
is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial
contributors when he ran for office in Chicago.

In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for
Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was
instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate
race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoood District of
Chicago for $1.65 million (less than the asking price). With ALL
those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On
the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for
full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born
Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new
home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.

Now, we have Obama running for President.
Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief
advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to
her first. Where was
Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran!
Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?

On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert
Malley advisor to Obama was 'sacked' after the press found out he was
having regular contacts with 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is
connected with Iran.

This past week, buried in the back part of the
papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq ,
he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is
elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.

Oh, and by the way, remember the college
roommates that were born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those
'small' Internet campaign contributions for Obama. Where is that
money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or
could it be from the Middle East ?

And the final bit of news. On September 7,
2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on
'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his
religion said, 'My Muslim faith'. When questioned, 'he make a
mistake'. Some mistake!

All of the above information I got on line. If
you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama;
Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in
1981; The Washington
Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this
information on my own, why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of
the press been reporting this?

A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware
of the enemy from within'!!!

Have a nice day.
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All of the above information I got on line. If
you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama;
Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in
1981; The Washington
Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.:00hour
 

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All of the above information I got on line. If
you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama;
Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in
1981; The Washington
Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.:00hour

No you didn't. You are forwarding what someone else wrote. You haven't geniuinely researched anything, yet you are passing it on as your own. Think for yourself and don't spread rumors that you have no clue about.
 

RAYMOND

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No you didn't. You are forwarding what someone else wrote. You haven't geniuinely researched anything, yet you are passing it on as your own. Think for yourself and don't spread rumors that you have no clue about.

i look it up myself also:kiss:
 

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A WHOLE NEW GAME: PLUMBER'S GIFT TO MCCAIN

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published in the The New York Post on October 18, 2008

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Ronald Reagan's most important contribution to the American political dialogue was his ability to move the tax issue from an economic-populist issue into a populist, blue-collar one. Under George W. Bush, however, the issue has switched back to one of class warfare, as increasing numbers of Americans have paid no taxes at all and the rates on those who did pay taxes fell. Now, a chance encounter with "Joe the Plumber" has afforded the Republicans the chance to use taxes as a blue-collar issue.

The opening Joe provided and John McCain skillfully exploited in the third presidential debate gives the GOP ticket its first long shot at victory since McCain punted on the terrible, pork-laden, corporate-giveaway "rescue" bill Congress passed and Bush signed. Obama's tax plans and spending programs have emerged as the key point of difference between the campaigns. And the Democrat's comment to Joe that he saw his tax policy as a "way to spread the wealth around" underscores the motive behind his program: to redistribute income. Obama might as well have told Joe, "I want to take the hard earned money you make fixing pipes and give it to other people."

If the Republican Party concentrates its fire on the tax issue and the redistributionist impulse behind Obama's plans, it can close the Democratic lead point by point, day by day, until the election. McCain's campaign must resist the temptation to take random shots on other issues and zero in on the tax-and-spend issue, stressing how taxes penalize those who work hard and live right.

In fact, the rich are paying vastly more in taxes than they ever have. "Reality Check," by Dennis Keegan and David West, points out that the percentage of income-tax revenues paid by the top percent of the population has almost doubled in the last 20 years; it now pays 40 percent of all income tax. (The bottom half in income pays less than 3 percent.) Despite the lower rates, the rich are paying more in taxes because they are earning more and more. In the last eight years, real, after-inflation income growth for the top 10 percent of the population has been more than 45 percent.


Essentially, the tax debate comes down to economic populism versus social populism. The Democratic economic populists rail against the rich and demand that they pay more in taxes. The Republican social populists decry the notion of income redistribution as rewarding failure and penalizing hard work. Until Joe, the economic-populist polarity dominated the presidential race to the detriment of the Republicans. But now Joe has brought the social-populist argument back to life.

Because there always are, there will doubtless be those who see the social-populist approach as a code word for racism, especially because it is directed against the proposals of an African-American candidate. But the dichotomy that social populism exploits is one that separates the most productive members of our work force from the others, in the spirit of Joe the Plumber. Race is quite beside the point.

The question is whether McCain has the discipline to pursue the tax issue doggedly for the rest of the campaign. The other targets - from Bill Ayers to ACORN - are so tempting but ultimately appeal to the Republican base and few others. But taxes hit us all.

The core difference between the American working class and its European equivalents is that Europeans are inclined to vote based on their current condition while Americans base their decisions more on their goals and objectives for the future. Americans assume upward mobility while Europeans do not. Each nation's workers are correct in their assessments.

Despite the widening gap between the richest 20 percent and the poorest in the United States, the economic chart is constantly churning. People are always moving out of the bottom fifth and up the scale, their places at the bottom of the ladder yielding to new arrivals, usually from abroad. So Americans are right to vote their dreams. Obama's European socialist tendency to sabotage growth in the interests of "fairness" merely serves to convert an American model that works into a European one that does not.

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