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criticisms of what israel is doing. the useless u.n., russia, france, & even greece has checked in.i have also seen some left leaning articles condemning this.

but i have a question ?

how would other countries act if a group of a neighboring country sneaks into their country & kills a few of their soldiers & kidnaps a few others ?


we know that iran & syria are behind this & they are pushing for a war between free societies and the muslim people.

what has happend in india, israel, iraq, afghanistan, 9/11, london, & spain are all related.

it's too bad that europe, the useless u.n.& the extreme left wing of this country doesn't see it. but then again they didn't see hitler coming either.
 
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Agree 100% on all that, Al.

Now 2 ground to ground missiles have hit Haifa. Hezbollah denies firing them, even though they said they would if Beirut was bombed. But Beirut hasn't been bombed yet. They would really have no reason to deny firing them if they did it.

So where did they come from, if not from southern Lebanon?

Maybe a moot point anyways as we know who is behind this, as Al mentioned.

Greece chimed in? WTF?
 

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Al, don't make the mistake that just because someone is against the Occupation of Iraq they lean one way or the other on this problem.
 

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StevieD said:
Al, don't make the mistake that just because someone is against the Occupation of Iraq they lean one way or the other on this problem.

I don't think Al does that, but plenty around here ASSume what someones stance will be on other subjects depending on his Iraq occupation views.
 

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I have no problem at all with what Israel is doing, and if I were from there I would expect the same. My comments/question in the other thread were simply about the US allegience with Israel. Certainly can't question their motives here.
 

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Condi Rice today asks Israel to show 'restraint.' F*ck that.

Israeli planes have dropped leaflets telling civilians that live near Hezbollah leaders that they need to leave immediately.

W says that Israel has the right to defend herself and in the same breath cautions them about destabilzing Lebanons government.

Uhhh, Hezbollah is *part* of this government.

Lebanon is ANOTHER example shown often about us 'spreading democracy.' Of course, Syria withdrawing had nothing to do with us, but that doesn't stop our government for taking credit.

This great new Lebanese government who says, 'hey, we're not responsible for these kidnappings.' No rebuke, no demands that THEIR OWN CITIZENS in a group that has 24 parliamentary seats in their government return the soldiers, no comments other than the above. 'We know nothing and will do nothing.'
 

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The Muslim agenda, to push Israel into the Sea has always been the stated goal. They have always asked Israel for concessions they knew Israel wouldn't make, because for security reasons they knew they couldn't make.

The Israelis pull out of Gaza. A cause for Muslims to celebrate? No?
Hamas needed a NEW excuse to legitimize terror. The liberation of Palestine?, yeah that's the ticket.
But alas, Israel makes headway with the Fatah party leaders. Hamas overjoyed ?Are they lighting firecrackers and shooting weapons in the street out of happiness?
Does Hamas ask for concessions they don't believe they can achieve because peace with Israel is not really the objective? When the Israeli tanks rolled into Lebanon years ago, they were pelted with rocks from Muslims yet cheered by Lebanese Christians. Middle East Christians have known for a long time these blasphemists who kill in the name of God have NEVER wanted peace. With Middle East Christians or Jews. And based upon what just happened in India, they don't wish to co-exist with ANYONE. How do you reason with people like this? You don't. You step on their necks until they stop breathing,.
 

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the Muslim agenda is to conquer the world and have everyone become a muslim fasciist and have warring factions between us

and the French, Russians, and UN are lining up right on their side
 

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How about this--surprise anyone--remember Smurph when I said the enemy of my enemy is my friend :)

Riyadh faults Hezbollah for current crisis
Saudi Arabia on Thursday blamed "elements" inside Lebanon for the violence with Israel, in unusually frank language directed at guerrilla group Hezbollah and its Iranian backers.

"A distinction must be made between legitimate resistance and uncalculated adventures undertaken by elements inside (Lebanon) and those behind them without recourse to the legal authorities and consulting and coordinating with Arab nations," a statement carried by the official news agency SPA said.

"These elements should bear the responsibility for their irresponsible actions and they alone should end the crisis they have created."

Is opportunity knocking??
Iran and Syria main radical threats in middle east.
Wonder how they feel if shit hits the fan and their sandwiched between Israel and and U.S. bases in Kuwait and Iraq. While some deem this a crisis I see it as an opportunity.
 
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I'm just glad more and more people are starting to realize how ineffective and useless the UN really is. All the money that is poured into this corrupt and self-serving organization is ridiculous. Alliances (referring to military) between nations are formed out of necessity and not formalities (i.e. UN security council). A US president would never pull out of the UN because of the political ramifications, but I wish they would just make the UN a humanatarian organization like the Red Cross. Maybe just maybe they could get that right.
 
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Israel kicks ass.. Way to go....America should be the same way and not give a damn what other countries feel....America has been under attack since the late 70's and STILL hasn't acted like Israel. Israel fights to win, not to win a popularity contest......
 

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StevieD said:
Al, don't make the mistake that just because someone is against the Occupation of Iraq they lean one way or the other on this problem.


i'm sorry stevie, i just noticed your post.

i take each issue separately & try to look at people's views per issue.
 

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Other views.....good reads...

Other views.....good reads...

Reading other country's newspapers (not that our's are remotely biased) is an eye openner. The USA is turning into a "bogeyman" in the eyes of many countries...read world's rags here http://library.uncg.edu/news/... article from Asia Times


By Dahr Jamail and Ali Fadhil

FALLUJAH - It could be called perhaps just another raid. Early in the morning on Sunday, June 18, US military helicopters landed near the home of Sinan Abdul-Ilah al-Mashadani in the al-Jughaifi district of Fallujah.

Within two minutes the doors of his home were blasted open and "a strange looking group of people" stormed inside, according to Said Walid Ahmed, a 40-year-old teacher who lives in the neighborhood.

"This force is not totally unknown to us here in Fallujah," Ahmed, who witnessed the incident from a nearby house told Inter Press Service (IPS). "They are a special force of Americans that assassinates more people than it arrests."

Ahmed described the force from the helicopters as "big men with



long hair and beards, some wearing earrings, and others with little black caps on the top of their heads at the back". CONT"D
 
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Merchants of death in Iraq
By Dahr Jamail and Ali Fadhil

FALLUJAH - It could be called perhaps just another raid. Early in the morning on Sunday, June 18, US military helicopters landed near the home of Sinan Abdul-Ilah al-Mashadani in the al-Jughaifi district of Fallujah.

Within two minutes the doors of his home were blasted open and "a strange looking group of people" stormed inside, according to Said Walid Ahmed, a 40-year-old teacher who lives in the neighborhood.

"This force is not totally unknown to us here in Fallujah," Ahmed, who witnessed the incident from a nearby house told Inter Press Service (IPS). "They are a special force of Americans that assassinates more people than it arrests."

Ahmed described the force from the helicopters as "big men with



long hair and beards, some wearing earrings, and others with little black caps on the top of their heads at the back".

Sinan Abdul-Ilah al-Mashadani, who was a student at al-Mustansiriya University and the sole supporter of his mother and younger brother and sister, was killed in the raid, apparently by a special operations team supported by the US military, according to witnesses.

"Their [special forces troops'] dogs were biting everybody, including children and women in the neighborhood," Um Amar, a 63-year-old woman who lives three houses away from Sinan told IPS. "They killed the poor boy in cold blood and arrested his little brother." She burst into tears and began to pray.

Another neighbor, Jassim al-Jumaily, said Sinan's father Najim Abdul-Ilah al-Mashhadani was killed during Operation Phantom Fury in November 2004 when his house was bombed by US warplanes.

The US military assault on Fallujah then destroyed most of the city and killed between 4,000 and 6,000 people, according to Monitoring Net of Human Rights in Iraq (MHRI), an Iraqi non-governmental organization based in Fallujah.

Sinan took responsibility for his family after the death of his father, Jumaily said. "He had to work and study at the same time. We did not notice any abnormality in his behavior at all. When the helicopters came, we never thought Sinan would be the target, because we realize they only come after big personalities from al-Qaeda or leaders in the Iraqi resistance."

Jumaily said the long-haired bearded men from the special force "blasted the doors of Sinan's house open as if they were attacking an army headquarters".

People in the neighborhood said they heard some of what was going on. "The screaming of Sinan's mother and sisters was frightening," Jumaily said. "All we could do was pray for their safety, trying to comfort each other that the worst possibility was that they would arrest Sinan."

After the men had been inside the house for three hours, Jumaily and other witnesses said they heard Sinan's mother wailing, and saw the men leave with Amin, her 13-year-old son who was being beaten by the men and bitten by their dogs as he was taken away.

Many of the neighbors then went to Sinan's home, and found his body, covered with sheets and mattresses. There was a pool of blood on the floor, some was splattered on the walls.

"Three days after his detention, Amin was released," said Muhamad al-Deraji, director of MHRI. "The left hand of this orphaned child was bitten three times, and is now scarred and deformed."

The US forces also raided other homes in the area, Deraji said. "One of the dogs attacked a woman who tried to protect her baby. The dog bit the mother's hand."

Deraji said the forces looted money and jewelry from several of the houses they raided.

IPS sent an email to Major Douglas Powell at the Combined Press Information Center for the Multi-National Force in Iraq to request comment on the incident. There was no reply.

Later, IPS phoned the US military spokesperson in Baghdad to request information on the incident. The spokesman, who declined to give his name, said, "We have no information confirming this event ever took place."
 

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"the bunker"
"disproportionate" is the buzz word...

the euro-riots in france last fall and cartoon jihad have worked as planned - those frisky "youths" have totally intimidated the e.u. into submission...they know that if israel continues to defend itself, or if it hits syria or iran, there will be some major-league car-b-ques all over europe...

good....

"proportionate response" - (1) a response to a terrorist act that is unlikely to punish the terrorists or lead to a long term solution....a token response... (2) a response that makes america or Israel look weak and cowardly.....

i believe the way one wins wars is to strike back so disproportionately that the enemy thinks twice the next time he wants to start something....

isreal needs to make war something so unimaginable that her enemies just don't want to start one anymore....

if we stand on the playground and you hit me, and i hit you and you hit me and i hit you - then you would be right to say that that sort of violence solves nothing....

this is a "cycle of violence"....useless...

that is why you use more force than your opponent....to win........

israel`s gonna catch criticism regardless of the fact that they were the victim here...they might as well do it right....and do as much damge to hisbollah as possible...

and the vatican?....i haven`t even started on the vatican...


this former altar-boy tells the vatican chumps to "go suck an egg"(for a change) ...
 

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gaze :shocked: lol

kosar....i love ya` bud...but this agreement thing can`t stand...i now have to take the other side...

"joooos joooos joooos... they are everywhere and breed like rabbits..... and yet, nothing is done!... nothing is done!"""....
 
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