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dawgball

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Self employed - no wives, no illegitimate kids....yes, you are getting screwed my friend... and you are probably evil too....:mj07:

Try being married with no kids - doubly screwed.....

Do I get a pass for having kids because we wil be sending them to private school?

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Do I get a pass for having kids because we wil be sending them to private school?

:0corn

IMHO - you should get a refund of the portion of property taxes you pay for schools if you do not use the system....

But me thinks that won't happen... you are the type of taxpayer the gov loves - being taxed for something you will never use......

Sucks, doesn't it????

Pay for what you use - the fair way.

I should run for president, on the "user tax" ticket.....
 

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I guess I don't mind so much. I choose to not utilize the provided system, so I guess I can't complain. Our education system is the last thing that needs less money. I just wish it was spent better and we didn't try so damn hard to make all kids average instead of allowing smarter kids to excel.


AND STOP ACTING LIKE GOING FROM ONE GRADE TO ANOTHER IS A GRADUATION!!!!! :director:
 

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IMHO - you should get a refund of the portion of property taxes you pay for schools if you do not use the system....

But me thinks that won't happen... you are the type of taxpayer the gov loves - being taxed for something you will never use......

Sucks, doesn't it????

Pay for what you use - the fair way.

I should run for president, on the "user tax" ticket.....

electric fence our borders ...disclose the alterative fuel souce..campaign as the "plain olde people party" ...envoke a $100,000.00 tax for each child sired after a max of two and you have not only my vote but my campaign help as well..

I'll be killed spreading the campaign messages for us but hey..."It really is a change for the better."
 
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Why is it when I drive thru a certain section of town every day I see the same people sitting on their porches every day. These are not older people in their rockers, they are people beating the system and they sure know all the angles.
 

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I like flat tax over sales tax. I don't think cheap bastards should be rewarded for not spending money into the economy.

Plus, a national sales tax would inevitably lead to every jackass finding away to be considered "wholesale" and getting out of paying it all together.
 

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I like flat tax over sales tax. I don't think cheap bastards should be rewarded for not spending money into the economy.

Plus, a national sales tax would inevitably lead to every jackass finding away to be considered "wholesale" and getting out of paying it all together.

Please define what you mean by "flat tax" - as in, same percentage for all, with no deductions and allowances?

If that is what you mean... that might be good...
 

Mags

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electric fence our borders ...disclose the alterative fuel souce..campaign as the "plain olde people party" ...envoke a $100,000.00 tax for each child sired after a max of two and you have not only my vote but my campaign help as well..

I'll be killed spreading the campaign messages for us but hey..."It really is a change for the better."

OK - I'll run in 2012 - under the "common sense" ticket..... I guess I'll have 3 votes (Old School, me, and my wife (I hope))
 

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Please define what you mean by "flat tax" - as in, same percentage for all, with no deductions and allowances?

If that is what you mean... that might be good...

Yes - I've always liked that. But there has to be absolutely no way out of paying. If a company moves out of coutry to avoid paying then we put in a rule that penalizes them enough for doing business here that it makes up for it.
 

Mags

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Yes - I've always liked that. But there has to be absolutely no way out of paying. If a company moves out of coutry to avoid paying then we put in a rule that penalizes them enough for doing business here that it makes up for it.

I like that a lot... but if we penalize anyone outside of the country that does business in this country, TV's (for example) will get very expensive....

But anything to pay less in taxes....
 

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why don't we repeal the 16th amendment? I watched a video not too long ago that was posted on here about someone fighting the IRS and winning because nothing is stated in the Constitution about income tax. his defense was... if you show me a place in the constitution that states something about it... I will pay. It was a pretty neat video, and I have no idea where to find it
 

IE

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What about "frugal" bastards?

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ah, yes I/O (sound like ducky from NCIS)

that reminds me of the frugal bastid rabbi and the canadian tax system.......:)



A bright, young, fresh-out-of-school auditor just joined Revenue Canada,
excited to begin tracking down high-powered tax evaders.

Anxious for his first high-powered audit, he was a bit dismayed when his
assignment was to audit a Rabbi.

Looking over the books they were pretty straight forward, and the Rabbi
clearly very frugal, so he thought he'd make his day interesting by having
a little fun with the Rabbi.

"Rabbi," he said, "I noticed that you buy a lot of candles."

"Yes," answered the Rabbi.

"Well, Rabbi, what do you do with the candle drippings?" he asked.

A good question," noted the Rabbi. "We actually save them up and when we
have enough, we send them back to the candle maker. And every now and then,
they send us a free box of candles."

"Oh," replied the auditor somewhat disappointed that his unusual question
actually had a practical answer. So he thought he'd go on, in his
obnoxious way...

"Rabbi, what about all these matzo purchases? What do you do with the
crumbs from the matzo?"

"Ah, yes," replied the Rabbi calmly, "we actually collect up all the
crumbs from the matzo and when we have enough, we send them in a box back
to the manufacturer and every now and then, they send a box of matzo balls."

"Oh," replied the auditor, thinking hard how to fluster the Rabbi.

"Well, Rabbi," he went on, "what do you do with all the foreskins from the
circumcisions?"

"Yes, here too, we do not waste," answered the Rabbi. "What we do is save
up all the foreskins, and when we have enough we actually send them to
Revenue Canada."

"Revenue Canada?," questioned the auditor in disbelief.

"Ahh, yes," replied the Rabbi, "Revenue Canada", and about once a year,
they send us a little prick like you."
 

dawgball

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The recent comments are why I like a mix of a flat tax (as stated before) mixed with a higher sales tax.

The flat tax rate with no deductions** mixed with an increased sales tax*** is what I see as the best situation.

The increased sales tax does get a large amount of tax dollars that are not be accounted for right now back in play. All money made illegally: dealing, gambling, etc.

**I do think there should be a minimum with zero tax; same amount for everyone; all taxes applied on flat rate above the minimum amount

***sales tax allows for local (state and city) nuances to be accounted for
 

ageecee

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Why is it when I drive thru a certain section of town every day I see the same people sitting on their porches every day. These are not older people in their rockers, they are people beating the system and they sure know all the angles.





Exactly. Same ole people collecting welfare and food stamps while me and you go to work to pay for it.
 

Terryray

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I agree with smurphy on flat tax--so simplified you can do your tax returns on back of a postcard.

The huge problem with 20% sales tax (plus 5% local sales tax) means 25% sales tax and inevitable creation of a massive, humongous (inefficient and law-breaking) black market.
 

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I like flat tax over sales tax. I don't think cheap bastards should be rewarded for not spending money into the economy.
Plus, a national sales tax would inevitably lead to every jackass finding away to be considered "wholesale" and getting out of paying it all together.

Would these be the prudent people that save for future you are referring to as cheap bastards.

Appears to me that those that spend more than they make are the culprits of this crisis

Be thankful there are enough "cheap bastards" to bail them out--for now ;)
 

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Yes - I've always liked that. But there has to be absolutely no way out of paying. If a company moves out of coutry to avoid paying then we put in a rule that penalizes them enough for doing business here that it makes up for it.

this will never happen because the legal lobby will never allow it`s pocket boys(i.e. the dems)to kill their golden calf........

isn`t it obvious that lawyer`s make way to much jack off a convoluted,ridiculously complicated tax code to ever allow it to be simplified into a more fair, more equitable system...
 

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A large flat sales tax would HAMMER the retail industry...

as well as really hurt the poorer 33% of this country...

at least initially there would be some serious growing pains.

as an apartment dweller with no children, i definitely agree with ditching write-offs for having a mortgage or kids. :sadwave:
 
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