Immigration Bill Fails Senate Vote

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WASHINGTON -- A fragile bipartisan compromise that would legalize millions of unlawful immigrants suffered a setback Thursday when it failed a test vote, leaving its prospects uncertain.

Still, the measure -- a top priority for President Bush that's under attack from the right and left -- got a reprieve when Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said he would give it more time before yanking the bill and moving on to other matters. "We need to complete this marathon," Sen. Reid said.

His decision set the stage for yet another procedural vote later Thursday that will measure lawmakers' appetite for a so-called "grand bargain" between liberals and conservatives on immigration.

By a vote of 33-63, the Senate fell far short of the 60 votes that would have been needed to limit debate on the immigration measure and put it on a path to passage. Republicans -- even those who helped craft the measure and are expected to support it -- banded together to oppose that move, while a majority of Democrats backed it.

Republicans were seeking assurances they would get chances to add several conservative-backed changes that would toughen the measure.

Proponents in both parties were scrambling to find a way of reversing a blow their compromise sustained earlier Thursday, when the Senate voted to phase out the bill's temporary worker program after five years. The Senate voted by the narrowest of margins -- 49-48 -- to place a five-year limit on a program meant to provide U.S. employers with 200,000 temporary foreign workers annually. The vote came two weeks after the Senate, also by a one-vote margin, rejected the same amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan. The North Dakota Democrat says immigrants take many jobs Americans could fill.

The Bush administration, along with business interests and their congressional allies, were already angry that the temporary worker program had been cut in half from its original 400,000-person-a-year target. A five-year sunset "is a tremendous problem, but it's correctable," said Sen. Arlen Specter (R., Pa.). Backers will try as early as Thursday to persuade at least one senator to help reverse the outcome yet again, he added.

Congress could block the legalization of millions of unlawful immigrants if it deemed the border too porous under a Republican proposal also slated for a vote on Thursday. An amendment by conservative Sens. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) and Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) would require a congressional vote to certify that border security and workplace enforcement "triggers" were in place before the legalization or a new guest worker program could take effect.

It was one of several challenges the measure was facing from across the political spectrum as its backers struggled to steer clear of potentially fatal changes and push it to quick passage. Until the Dorgan vote was tallied, Sen. Specter and other architects of the compromise had succeeded in avoiding a minefield of major challenges. They had turned back a bid to reduce the number of illegal immigrants who could gain lawful status. They also defeated an effort to allow more family members of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents to qualify for green cards.

And they fended off an amendment, by Sen. Barack Obama (D., Ill.) that would have ended a new point system for those seeking permanent resident "green cards" after five years rather than 14 years. The Senate voted 51-46 to reject a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas) to bar criminals -- including those ordered by judges to be deported -- from gaining legal status. Democrats siphoned support from Sen. Cornyn's proposal by winning adoption, 66-32, of a rival version that would bar a more limited set of criminals, including certain gang members and sex offenders, from gaining legalization.

Senators also rejected a proposal by Robert Menendez (D., N.J.) that would have boosted the number of immigrants who could get green cards based purely on family ties, rather than having to qualify through education or skill level. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D., N.Y.) fell short in her bid to remove limits on visas for the spouses and minor children of immigrants with permanent resident status.

Still, several changes proposed by conservatives prevailed, including one by Sen. Cornyn that would make it easier to locate and deport illegal immigrants whose visa applications are rejected. The bill would have barred law enforcement agencies from seeing applications for so-called Z visas that allow illegal immigrants to gain legal status. Sen. Cornyn said authorities should know if applicants have criminal records that would warrant their deportation.

Opponents said eligible applicants might be afraid to file applications if they believed they could be deported as a result. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) said in an interview that Cornyn's amendment was "not a deal-killer" but would have to be changed in House-Senate negotiations.

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Wisconsin Senators and Congressman under pressure from small business and farmers. They want something passed. They say they need theses workers. They also said there are no long lines out side their doors wanting to come to take these jobs. They say they will need to get help from prisoners if they send thee illegals home. There are few Americans workers that will do these jobs. I forgot to mention there is another way to get people to work for you. Competitive Wages worked in the past.
 
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What a shocker. Looks like gridlock as usual.

Everyone everywhere on both sides who loudly bitched about an attempt to change the immigration policy status quo, should be happy.

But somehow I think those same people will continue to yell endlessly that 'nothing is being done.'
 

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Wisconsin Senators and Congressman under pressure from small business and farmers. They want something passed. They say they need theses workers. They also said there are no long lines out side their doors wanting to come to take these jobs. They say they will need to get help from prisoners if they send thee illegals home. There are few Americans workers that will do these jobs.
America is in denial about it's labor situation. Bush and some of congress were ready to work together and get something done. But now the masses and their knee-jerk responses have scared congress away from passing this thing. ...It would have been nice to get SOMETHING on the books. As it is, the border will remain anarchy and millions of hard working people will remain - as Bush says - "in the shadows".
 

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America is in denial about it's labor situation. Bush and some of congress were ready to work together and get something done. But now the masses and their knee-jerk responses have scared congress away from passing this thing. ...It would have been nice to get SOMETHING on the books. As it is, the border will remain anarchy and millions of hard working people will remain - as Bush says - "in the shadows".

i think people will stay in the shadows no matter what.
 

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What a shocker. Looks like gridlock as usual.

Everyone everywhere on both sides who loudly bitched about an attempt to change the immigration policy status quo, should be happy.

But somehow I think those same people will continue to yell endlessly that 'nothing is being done.'

why doesn't the gov't. secure the borders first & enforce the laws that are on the books now...then once they show the american public that they can do that..then they should talk about changing the laws.
 

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i think people will stay in the shadows no matter what.

I've heard that one plenty and also a steady dose of 'they won't build the wall, they won't enforce any of it', etc..etc.

If that's the case, then we can hold the proponents accountable, but shouldn't we try something?
 

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why doesn't the gov't. secure the borders first & enforce the laws that are on the books now...then once they show the american public that they can do that..then they should talk about changing the laws.

Yes, i've heard that one a lot also. Do you mean rounding up and trying to deport 12 million Mexicans?
 

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Yes, i've heard that one a lot also. Do you mean rounding up and trying to deport 12 million Mexicans?

no...who will take care of my landscaping needs ?

leave the 12 million or so here..but stop the turnstile (sp ?) entry that is happening right now.and start enforcing the laws like they are doing with paris hilton...:142smilie
 

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why doesn't the gov't. secure the borders first & enforce the laws that are on the books now...then once they show the american public that they can do that..then they should talk about changing the laws.

How about just secure the borders quickly which should have been done five minutes after nine /11 and then we worry about this other stuff when this fence is finally built? Why they both go hand and hand i have no idea. Id be willing to bet you give some type of housing to union carpenters all over the country and if they are available they would for a cut in pay go build that thing as fast as possible and you could sign me right up since the playoffs are almost over. I will run the crew and i will take guys from here also. Smurph would have to stay home because i can't watch guys who might be cutting sneaky holes in it. I have enough to worry about.
 

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Build a wall and fine employers. When someone is found not be legal, bus their ass to the border, you don't have to deport 12 million, the problem will take care of itself. Reagen gave 3 million a pass now there's 12-20 million here. how many will it be on a Bush pass?
 

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Remains a very tough issue. I would think it's time to break this one up into about 10 different efforts, and try to start by getting one or two completed. I applaud making an effort to get something going, hopefully some of this will be ongoing. Glad that there were discussions and the bill was looked at as a monster that nobody was really looking into.

I do agree that both sides will have to bend some to make something work. It would be nice to do something like have some National guardsmen stationed on known border crossings, start slimming down the areas where things are set up for sneaking across...but, sadly, the guardsmen are busy in other areas these days.

Fine the employers, and send back illegals working where those employers were fined. Start there. Put some more man/woman power in the immigration department to speed up the process of LEGAL immigration. Perhaps make the process quicker/easier to accomplish this, and more will go that way.

I dunno. Just seems like some simple things that could be done - and money, soldiers and firepower flowing into Iraq is a big reason why we can't do some of this. Or could be looked at in that way.
 

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why doesn't the gov't. secure the borders first & enforce the laws that are on the books now...then once they show the american public that they can do that..then they should talk about changing the laws.

ditto on that--wonder if they could have vote on enforcing current laws and withdrawing federal funds from sancuary states/cities and finish the wall--then go from there
--but was glad to see them discuss it on more serious tone for once--that was 1st step.
 

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they can`t or won`t enforce the existing laws....

bush(the liberal )won`t build the fence that was already passed into law and has funding...

ending the travesty of this shamnesty isn't enough for me.....i wantthose pseudo conservatives...those RINO`S....that voted against enforcing existing laws and against deporting felons(that`s right,they weren`t ready to deport felons in this beautiful piece of crap legislation) and people who already have a deportation order...they need to lose their seats in the primaries......

they tried to sneak this dog through before people had a chance to read it....and it didn`t work....

the people squelched this piece of drecchh.....

i`ve got a solution...and the dems would love this...require upon hire, even for one day... that the illegal immediately upon signature, becomes a member of the labor union of his choice......

$15 an hour + dental + health insurance.....

illegals would become radioactive and never be hired......and companies would never complain about finding immigrants to work at "jobs americans won`t do".....

it would open more jobs to americans....

never happen... but it`s pretty amusing...unless you`re a scum bag employer taking advantage of the new slave labor.....
 
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they can`t or won`t enforce the existing laws....

bush(the liberal )won`t build the fence that was already passed into law and has funding...

ending the travesty of this shamnesty isn't enough for me.....i wantthose pseudo conservatives...those RINO`S....that voted against enforcing existing laws and against deporting felons(that`s right,they weren`t ready to deport felons in this beautiful piece of crap legislation) and people who already have a deportation order...they need to lose their seats in the primaries......

they tried to sneak this dog through before people had a chance to read it....and it didn`t work....

the people squelched this piece of drecchh.....

i`ve got a solution...and the dems would love this...require upon hire, even for one day... that the illegal immediately upon signature, becomes a member of the labor union of his choice......

$15 an hour + dental + health insurance.....

illegals would become radioactive and never be hired......and companies would never complain about finding immigrants to work at "jobs americans won`t do".....

it would open more jobs to americans....

never happen... but it`s pretty amusing...unless you`re a scum bag employer taking advantage of the new slave labor.....


Agreed , they should lose their seats.. Scumbag Drunk Teddy Kennedy needs to go...he is a pig.........


Teddy and his gang..this includes McCain were willing to give gang member criminals,drug runners,and the worst thing of all-----> muslim radicals legal status


they need to be voted out
 

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Reb's had control of both houses and white house last 6.5 years and did nothing. Actually had control of both houses now for over 8 years.
By the way there are many Americans that will take some those jobs for a competitive salary. Whats wrong with that.
 
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