Immigration

[Jabberwocky]

Would someone please remind me what the Grand Old Party did to effectively solve the immigration problem when they controlled both houses and the exec between 00-06? Just want the legislation and its effectiveness, and please, no Bill "I am a perverted, employee harassing, out of court settling sexual deviant" O'Reilly bullshit spin. I just want to know the facts.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

do you really want to know the facts--heres a few
While I agree there has not been enough done it is made more diff when you have areas that thumb their noses at Fed regulations and take it apon themselves to try and protect illegals-give them licenses--have judges rule against verifying social security cards ect ect.

Maybe you can verify these facts--what do 99% of these cities have in common???????????

April 5, 2007
As of August 2006, cities and counties that have sanctuary policies include:

Anchorage, AK
Fairbanks, AK
Chandler, AZ
Phoenix, AZ2
Fresno, CA
Los Angeles, CA
National City, CA4
San Diego, CA
San Francisco, CA
Sonoma County, CA
Evanston, IL
Chicago, IL3
Cicero, IL
Cambridge, MA
Orleans, MA
Portland, ME
Baltimore, MD
Takoma Park, MD
Ann Arbor, MI
Detroit, MI
Minneapolis, MN
Newark, NJ1
Trenton, NJ1
Durham, NC
Albuquerque, NM
Aztec, NM
Rio Arriba, County, NM
Sante Fe, NM
New York, NY
Ashland, OR
Gaston, OR
Marion County, OR
Austin, TX
Houston, TX
Katy, TX
Virginia Beach, VA
Seattle, WA
Madison, WI
Currently there are two statewide policies regarding sanctuary for illegal aliens:
In May 2003, Alaska's state legislature passed a joint resolution prohibiting state agencies from using resources or institutions for the purpose of enforcing federal immigration laws.
In 1987, Oregon passed a law that prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from using agency moneys, equipment or personnel for the purpose of detecting or apprehending foreign citizens based on violation of federal immigration law. Oregon law, however, does permit their law enforcement officers to exchange information with federal authorities to verify the immigration status of an individual arrested for criminal offenses.
Sources:
Congressional Research Service, "Enforcing Immigration Law: The Role of State and Local Law Enforcement," Aug. 2006: http://www.ilw.com/immigdaily/news/2006,0912-crs.pdf
"Coalition seeks immigrant sanctuaries; services wouldn't hinge on legal status." Asbury Park Press 1 Mar. 2007.
"Havens for illegals; Advocates recruit 'sanctuary cities'." The Record 1 Mar. 2007.
"Phoenix residents want to end 'sanctuary' status." Washington Times 28 May 2006.
"Preparations underway for immigrant march." ABC7 http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=4128549
"National City named sanctuary city." San Diego Union-Tribune 1 Oct. 2006.

now inform us of your opinion--now that you have the facts

 

[Jabberwocky]

Would someone please remind me what the Grand Old Party did to effectively solve the immigration problem when they controlled both houses and the exec between 00-06? Just want the legislation and its effectiveness, and please, no Bill "I am a perverted, employee harassing, out of court settling sexual deviant" O'Reilly bullshit spin. I just want to know the facts.

DTB, the question is above and still not addressed. What legislation was passed by the republican exec and congressional branch and how effective was it?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Just want the legislation and its effectiveness, and please, no Bill "I am a perverted, employee harassing, out of court settling sexual deviant" O'Reilly bullshit spin. I just want to know the facts.

Here is the link to DTB's source

http://www.billoreilly.com/blog?action=viewBlog&blogID=88083313171143568

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Just to share a quick story on this issue


I was walking past the hot tub at my health club one day and a bunch of fat suburban white women were in bitching about Mexican immigrants. I stopped and asked them if they would like to come over and cut my grass and clean up my house. Also, if their kids were willing to flip burgers at the local BK or McDonalds. Naturally, they had nothing to say and that is the crux of this phony issue. Also, the tie between Mexican immigration and terrorism is the biggest farce ever perpetrated. The Republicans sit around debating about this and what God would tell them to do if they were president. They wonder why they are poised to lose to the wooded Hillary Clinton?

 

[Mahoney]

In other words, your loyalty is to the dollar, not the nation. If Mcdonald's can't find employees, the solution is to raise wages, not hire illegals.

 

[smurphy]

Immigrants (legal and illegal) are the future of this country. Nothing and nobody will change that.

 

[Mahoney]

I like the witty Smurphy, not this self-righteous bigot.

 

[bjfinste]

I like the witty Smurphy, not this self-righteous bigot.

Where on earth is there any bigotry in his post?

 

[smurphy]

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Jabbers I believe the sources of data were at the bottom--of cource I know your not use to seeing that where you dwell

What new laws? --border fence for one--however I would be quite happy if either party enforced the ones we have. The 1st move would be to take all federal funding from these cities that defy federal law.

--of course hard to do when you have liberal minority element that believe illegals and breaking the law are the future of this country:SIB

 

[smurphy]

--of course hard to do when you have liberal minority element that believe illegals and breaking the law are the future of this country:SIB

It's not a question of what I believe is best or right or fair, it's an acceptance of reality. I actually give Bush credit for making an attempt at dealing with this issue somewhat realistically a few years ago. It's funny to watch the disingenuous comments and soundbites from people who are relying and prospering from immigration - legal or otherwise. Everyone is dependent one way or another on low wage immigrants. Some of us are willing to face reality. These people are here and will stay here, no matter what politicians from either side promise. 6 totally unobstructed years of "conservative" leadership resulting in no action against illegal immigration SHOULD tell you something about it. Every city or local agency that attempts to crack down ends up not having enough people to fill necessary low skilled jobs. We can whine and spout obvious narrow minded comments or we can look at our history, demographics, and economy and realize that this will happen no matter what.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Good post as usual murph. I don't the reality of our dependence on immigrants to be lost on partisanship, but your statement:

6 totally unobstructed years of "conservative" leadership resulting in no action against illegal immigration SHOULD tell you something about it.

speaks directly to my point. DTB wants to put the immigration "problem and threat" in the lap of the dems, and this is nonsense.

DTB, you refuse to answer the question directly and honestly. You want to side step the fact that the ruling Republican party has done nothing to remedy the situation (becuase they more than anyone are invested in cheap foreign labor). The fact that the Fox righties are trying to spin this into an issue of "liberalism vs conservatism" is laughable.

 

[Jabberwocky]

do you really want to know the facts--heres a few
While I agree there has not been enough done it is made more diff when you have areas that thumb their noses at Fed regulations and take it apon themselves to try and protect illegals-give them licenses--have judges rule against verifying social security cards ect ect.

Maybe you can verify these facts--what do 99% of these cities have in common???????????

April 5, 2007
As of August 2006, cities and counties that have sanctuary policies include:

Anchorage, AK
Fairbanks, AK
Chandler, AZ
Phoenix, AZ2
Fresno, CA
Los Angeles, CA
National City, CA4
San Diego, CA
San Francisco, CA
Sonoma County, CA
Evanston, IL
Chicago, IL3
Cicero, IL
Cambridge, MA
Orleans, MA
Portland, ME
Baltimore, MD
Takoma Park, MD
Ann Arbor, MI
Detroit, MI
Minneapolis, MN
Newark, NJ1
Trenton, NJ1
Durham, NC
Albuquerque, NM
Aztec, NM
Rio Arriba, County, NM
Sante Fe, NM
New York, NY
Ashland, OR
Gaston, OR
Marion County, OR
Austin, TX
Houston, TX
Katy, TX
Virginia Beach, VA
Seattle, WA
Madison, WI
Currently there are two statewide policies regarding sanctuary for illegal aliens:
In May 2003, Alaska's state legislature passed a joint resolution prohibiting state agencies from using resources or institutions for the purpose of enforcing federal immigration laws.
In 1987, Oregon passed a law that prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from using agency moneys, equipment or personnel for the purpose of detecting or apprehending foreign citizens based on violation of federal immigration law. Oregon law, however, does permit their law enforcement officers to exchange information with federal authorities to verify the immigration status of an individual arrested for criminal offenses.
Sources:
Congressional Research Service, "Enforcing Immigration Law: The Role of State and Local Law Enforcement," Aug. 2006: http://www.ilw.com/immigdaily/news/2006,0912-crs.pdf
"Coalition seeks immigrant sanctuaries; services wouldn't hinge on legal status." Asbury Park Press 1 Mar. 2007.
"Havens for illegals; Advocates recruit 'sanctuary cities'." The Record 1 Mar. 2007.
"Phoenix residents want to end 'sanctuary' status." Washington Times 28 May 2006.
"Preparations underway for immigrant march." ABC7 http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=4128549
"National City named sanctuary city." San Diego Union-Tribune 1 Oct. 2006.

now inform us of your opinion--now that you have the facts

show me what in two listed sources has anything to do with what you posted? Click on the O'Reilly blog source I posted and there is your post verbatim. Go figure.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Jabbers is list of reforms (to long to C&P) white house want--several have been implemented--
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/


--and some blocked by liberal elements


Immigrant Crackdown Halted
Judge Delays DHS Plan to Check Social Security Numbers

By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 1, 2007; Page A03

A federal judge yesterday barred the Bush administration from launching a crackdown Tuesday on U.S. employers who hire illegal immigrants while she considers a lawsuit by the AFL-CIO that charges that the plan will harm citizens and other legal workers.

The ruling, issued by U.S. District Judge Maxine M. Chesney in San Francisco, prohibits the Department of Homeland Security from starting to mail notices to 140,000 employers about suspect Social Security numbers. The "no- match" letters warn of penalties employers face by having discrepancies in their paperwork.

P.S. want to take a wild guess who this liberal judge was appointed by? hint--:nono:

any other questions?

 

[smurphy]

Dogs, it's so insane that you even comment on this. 6 FU*KING YEARS! = NOTHING. You have no ground to stand on. NONE! Why are you even talking?

 

[roc612]

SMURPH,
excerpt below is from the Tyson foods trial for hiring illegals(tyson- is one of the largest food processors in th US with about 130,000 employees)Please pay particular attention to how many corporations were fined fro illegal hiring during Bill Clintons last year in office compared to how many got fined under GWB.
Tyson Foods got a hand slap for it in 03
DTB,I wonder what conservative judge was on the bench to enforce the ruling and subsequent fine.the federal prosecutor s didnt indict any senior management employees at Tyson(only middle management people
The party who wants the immigration policy to remain at the status quo is the GOP.
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Assistant AG Michael Chertoff (now head of Homeland Security) says that Justice is serious about enforcing immigration laws. (The number of companies fined for hiring illegal workers went from 417 in 1999 to 3 in 2004.)

Three Tyson managers admit guilt and testify. (One commits suicide.) The prosecution fails to implicate senior executives. On March 26, 2003, the jury votes not guilty. According to the New York Times, one of the attorneys for Tyson said that

Tyson admitted that it used temporary employment agencies to obtain foreign workers, but denied responsibility for the violations committed by the agencies. For example, in 2001, 22 Chinese workers lost their temporary work visas less than nine months after arriving in the US to work at the Glen Allen, Virginia plant. Each worker had paid $10,000 to a Chinese company for the chance to work for as long as two years in jobs that paid $6 to $7 an hour.

 

[Mahoney]

Neither party wants border control. The Dems need voters, the Reps need cheap labor. Isn't that obvious?

Ordinary people want border control, but they aren't a lobby so no one listens to them.

 

[roc612]

Mahoney ,
I agree whole -heartedly, however the numbers above show that federal govt did their job and followed the law(in regards to hiring of illegals)significantly better during Clinton's last year and that is just not the case during the GWB years.
Is it any wonder the problem has reached a tipping point with the govt turning their back on the issue

 

[Mahoney]

Roc, I just don't trust any numbers coming out of the government. The fact is the border is open, no matter how many they say they apprehend, whether under Clinton or Bush. The way I look at it, Clinton and Bush, and their party elite, have 1000 times more in common with each other than either do with ordinary people.