Immigration

[roc612]

Mahoney,
I wouldnt want to trust the numbers many times from our GOVT, However,If these are close to being true then Clinton did a much better job than GWB has done in regards to enforcing /fining corporate amercia for illegal hiring practices
Again ,I couldnt agree with you more that both parties elite are in it for themselves.The middle class is gone and whats left pay's such a huge portion of the tax burden (proportionately of course.)
The Elite of both party are making the founding fathers roll over in their graves

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Dogs, it's so insane that you even comment on this. 6 FU*KING YEARS! = NOTHING. You have no ground to stand on. NONE! Why are you even talking?

Believe I said no party has done enough--however as to why am I talking--at least I put up facts pertaining to your sanctuary city data--your liberal judges--and you once again offer nothing but your opinion.

---but I do appreciate your liberal logic opinion contributions--

That being-- on one hand complaining not enough done on immigration reform and next day providing us with this all time classic--

"Immigrants (legal and illegal) are the future of this country. Nothing and nobody will change that."

--I believe you even lost the spongebobs and spythewebs on that one--:142smilie

--by the way would you make that quote your permanant signature?

 

[roc612]

DTB,
Illegals may or may not be the future as Smurph alleges , however they will be the ones changing your bed pan, serving you meals, cleaning your assisted living residence ,bagging your groceries, cleaning your carpets etc , etc etc
The U.S. is an aging society without enough citizens of its own to do the service(non-educated) jobs and Boomers are retiring at a record rate never seen before in this country
See France and Belgium as examples of countries who have had to "import"foreign workers to do low-paying wage jobs.
Also , see how well its working out for the French in regards to this(not so well, in my opinion)
Get used to it , because its coming to a town near you.
Roc

 

[smurphy]

That being-- on one hand complaining not enough done on immigration reform and next day providing us with this all time classic--

"Immigrants (legal and illegal) are the future of this country. Nothing and nobody will change that."

--I believe you even lost the spongebobs and spythewebs on that one--:142smilie

--by the way would you make that quote your permanant signature?

I don't ever recall any alliance with Sponge or Spy. ...Oh that's right, you are part of that group of people who doesn't realize people can have independent views on individual issues. Agreement on one issue does not guarantee agreement on another. Your world doesn't work that way apparently.

I never complained that not enough was done. I was attempting to point out your own hypocracy in attacking the Dems on this issue when your own party had ample opportunity to pass legislation, but did nothing. Pretty disingenious of you to try and pin this on the Dems and use it as an issue for the coming election when you know damn well your own precious GOP is not interested in the least in doing anything.

You can continue to hang on to unrealistic views on this, but the fact is that these immigrants are part of the United States. Sorry to disappoint you. Maybe you should make that move to China you keep talking about.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DTB,
Illegals may or may not be the future as Smurph alleges , however they will be the ones changing your bed pan, serving you meals, cleaning your assisted living residence ,bagging your groceries, cleaning your carpets etc , etc etc
The U.S. is an aging society without enough citizens of its own to do the service(non-educated) jobs and Boomers are retiring at a record rate never seen before in this country
See France and Belgium as examples of countries who have had to "import"foreign workers to do low-paying wage jobs. Also , see how well its working out for the French in regards to this(not so well, in my opinion)
Get used to it , because its coming to a town near you.
Roc

Ya Roc Spoken like a true liberal secular progressive--Hate to throw you a curb with the facts--but maybe you could explain to us why these 2 countries with the highest unemployment rates in Europe or anywhere else have to --as you say-have to" import" workers"
Both with over 8% unemployment figures--

"France's generous jobless benefits, about three times those of the US and Britain, help explain its 10.1 per cent unemployment rate ? double the rates in those countries. The benefits are among a set of labour policies that may pose the biggest obstacle to President Jacques Chirac's efforts to rekindle the economy and restore his tattered popularity"

"Belgium's unemployment rate was 8.5% in 2006. A total of 4.4 million people make up Belgium's labor force. The majority of these people (73%) work in the service sector. Belgian industry claims 25% of the labor force and agriculture only 2%. As in other industrialized nations, pension and other social entitlement programs have become a major concern as the "baby boom" generation approaches retirement. "

--However as with France and Belgium you liberals all have social programs supported by taxation to take care of 8% of population who feel government cheese is much easier working at jobs that don't appeal to them. :shrug:

--and what say you?

 

[Mahoney]

Japan has an aging population and doesn't resort to immigration, which would change its character. We don't have to either. It's a political decision made by elites who don't care what the common people think.

 

[roc612]

DTB,
I take from facts on this issue from Pat Buchanan's book "Death of the WEST".
Is he a liberal now?
Roc

 

[roc612]

Is Buchanan A true Liberal secular progressive?...

 

[smurphy]

Yeah Roc, what about Belgium?:mj07:

 

[roc612]

Smurph what was I thinking?:mj07: :mj07:
Getting my facts from mr right wing and former neocon Patrick Buchanan and all
Did ya know that Belguim's armed forces is one of the oldest in terms of the age of its soldiers.
It's not because they are a YOUNG society and we are right behind them

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Anyone that reads any news knows Frances immigrants have about 30% unemployment-unless you call torching cars and buildings every time you don't get your way--a job.


1st hint at liberalism--when you confront them with undisputable #'s that totally contradicts their opinion
--they totally disregard the facts and try and sway discussion on another tangent.

Of course I'd expect nothing less from those that think minimum wage increase was greatest thing since sliced bread--and advocate tax increases.

 

[Jabberwocky]

The original question:

"Would someone please remind me what the Grand Old Party did to effectively solve the immigration problem when they controlled both houses and the exec between 00-06?"

And DTB ends up with this. Some sort of France immigration crap and "liberals love the minimum wage and love to raise taxes."

gotcha. Way to address the question.

 

[roc612]

DTB,
Anytime I need undisputable facts your the first one I'll call.Right after Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and Condi rice
I gave you a the name and author of book who 's theory I presented.(the fact that the author is a Republican neocon leaves yoyu unfazed. )
If you dont like Buchanan's assessment that' s your problem- take it up with pat buchanan.
Your undisputable facts and number percentages come from what credible source?
and maybe you could answer Jabberwocky's original posted question while your at it
Jabbewocky the answer is damn little if anything

 

[roc612]

DTB,
you quote sanctuary cities and Chandler , az as being one.
Do you know why that is...Because they had a round-up of illegal aliens in july of 97 .77 illegals were apprehended.Then the town got sued and LOST.
The town of Chandler must not like handing out money in lawsuits so they stopped illegal alien enforcement because the law has no teeth for them to do so .
GWB being a former governor of Texas understands this issue and he his Republican controlled Congress have done jackSh-t about it.
The governor of Az is suing the federal government for lost dollars(in the millions) for emergency room medical care for illegals that is a huge burden to the state budget of Az and for profit hospitals. The federal gov has told her to pound sand.
Nice response from the GOp wouldnt ya say

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

The original question:

"Would someone please remind me what the Grand Old Party did to effectively solve the immigration problem when they controlled both houses and the exec between 00-06?"

And DTB ends up with this. Some sort of France immigration crap and "liberals love the minimum wage and love to raise taxes."

gotcha. Way to address the question.

I addresed that directly on intial post post--I have said 3 times now they have not done enough--but would settle for being able to enforce those already in place--which has been tough per above in having to fight both Illegals and liberals on enforcement matters.

It ownly got off topic when your liberal co-harts tried to make us believe illegals are the future of this country--and France and Belgium with the highest unemployment in Europe have to import immigrants to fill vacant jobs.:0corn

 

[smurphy]

It ownly got off topic when your liberal co-harts tried to make us believe illegals are the future of this country-

You are clueless if you cannot recognize that this is the case. At least I understand the reality. You should save yourself the agony of realizing that smurphy knows more than you and just move to China already.

...and by the way it's ONLY not ownly. fu*k's sake.

 

[Mahoney]

Self-righteous defense of criminals isn't realism. It's pathetic.

Japan is realistically dealing with an aging population by a number of different means, none of which involves mass invasion of foreigners.

Being realistic means, in my opinion, recognizing that our rulers follow an agenda that runs against the interests of ordinary Americans. They want mass invasion and foreign wars. They tell lies about "inevitability" and WMDs to get the people to go along. The beauty of the internet is we can point out what they're up to.