In case you've allowed yourself ~

[buddy]

to be distracted by other meaningless political tripe.

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[Duff Miver]

to be distracted by other meaningless political tripe.

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George W. Bush was not a bad man. He wasn't terribly bright, and he let himself get mislead by Dickless Cheney into invading Iraq, a huge mistake.

Nonetheless, GWB has been a class act ever since he left office.

I'm not a Republican, but if GWB could and did run again for President, knowing what he does now, I could vote for him.

GWB, class act :0074

 

[buddy]

Don't like him now, never did and never will.
Full of Orwellian Doublespeak -

?Let me give you this final message. If we use the military, we can make the United Nations a really meaningful, effective voice for peace and stability in the future.? (George H. W. Bush, December 1990.)
Military might and oppression is peace? "Take a hike, George" ~

?It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.? (George H. W. Bush, addressing the General Assembly of the U.N. February 1, 1992.)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

[Duff Miver]

Don't like him now, never did and never will.
Full of Orwellian Doublespeak -

?Let me give you this final message. If we use the military, we can make the United Nations a really meaningful, effective voice for peace and stability in the future.? (George H. W. Bush, December 1990.)
Military might and oppression is peace? "Take a hike, George" ~

?It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.? (George H. W. Bush, addressing the General Assembly of the U.N. February 1, 1992.)

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Sorry to tell you, buddy, but that "under God" shit is a filthy religious bastardation of the pledge which was written in 1847.

"under Gawd" was added by a bunch of religious freaks in 1954, more than 100 year later.

I learned the Pledge in it's original and correct form in 1950. And that's the way I say it today: correct, unadulterated and unbastardized.

You Bible-wangers can say anything you like, anywhere, any time. That's religious freedom.

But you cannot fuck with the Pledge.

When you include "under Gawd", it isn't the Pledge. It's a religio POS you freaks make up.

 

[buddy]

Yawn / If you're going to attack and criticize a post, please do the forum a favor and at least get it right. I'm growing weary of having to correct you every time you post. But, being a Christian, I forgive you. Secondly, your reply has absolutely nothing to do with George Bush or the New World Order. But I suppose you already knew that. ~


Mistakenly, you wrote: "under God (corrected your mistake)" was added by a bunch of religious freaks in 1954, more than 100 year later."
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The Pledge of Allegiance underwent yet another change in 1954. Responding to the threat of Soviet Communism (again more national fear), President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words ?under God? to the pledge.

This, he declared, would ?reaffirm the transcendence of religious faith in America?s heritage and future? and ?strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country?s most powerful resource in peace and war.?

Congress?s 1954 amendment would create the Pledge of Allegiance most Americans say today:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

[Duff Miver]

Yawn / If you're going to attack and criticize a post, please do the forum a favor and at least get it right. I'm growing weary of having to correct you every time you post. But, being a Christian, I forgive you. Secondly, your reply has absolutely nothing to do with George Bush or the New World Order. But I suppose you already knew that. ~


Mistakenly, you wrote: "under God (corrected your mistake)" was added by a bunch of religious freaks in 1954, more than 100 year later."
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The Pledge of Allegiance underwent yet another change in 1954. Responding to the threat of Soviet Communism (again more national fear), President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words ?under God? to the pledge.

This, he declared, would ?reaffirm the transcendence of religious faith in America?s heritage and future? and ?strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country?s most powerful resource in peace and war.?

Congress?s 1954 amendment would create the Pledge of Allegiance most Americans say today:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Leaving out this, eh, buddy?

On 2002-JUN-26, a three judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2 to 1 to declare the Pledge unconstitutional because of the addition of the phrase "under God." This decision only affects the states of AK, AZ, CA, HI, ID, MT, NV, OR and WA. The ruling stating that "the text of the official Pledge, codified in federal law, impermissibly takes a position with respect to the purely religious question of the existence and identity of God."

Now get your impermissible religio shit out of our Pledge and off our currency. You can't put under God or under Allah in either.

 

[buddy]

I'm not going to accuse you of being slow, but you are half fast.

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Also, within hours of the release of the ruling, there was considerable reaction from politicians:

The Senate unanimously (99 to 0) passed a resolution in support for the phrase "under God." They asked the appeals court panel to reverse its ruling.

White House spokesperson, Ari Fleisher, speaking for President Bush said "The president's reaction was that this ruling is ridiculous."

Senate Majority Leader Thomas Daschle (D) called it "just nuts."

During the days following the ruling, other individuals and groups expressed their opinion:

Ron Barrier, of American Atheists called the decision "a victory." He said: "I think for the first time the courts of the United States are starting or beginning to recognize the rights of nonbelievers as well as believers."

The House of Representatives passed a resolution on JUN-27 opposing the ruling. The vote was 416 to 3.

Dr. James Dobson, founder of the influential Fundamentalist Christian Group Focus on the Family. On his radio program on JUN-27, he said said that the decision "a shameless insult against America and all of her citizens...This abominable ruling by an imperious court is a slap in the face to all Americans and people of faith.

How easily we forget that on the (evening) of September 11, a bipartisan group of 150 members of the House and Senate, led by Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Democrat Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, gathered together on the Capitol steps and sang 'God Bless America.'

While we stood frightened, grieved and resolute to fight the evil that struck our nation, we clung to our country's foundational principles and banded together for better or for worse.

That this activist court saw fit to deny millions of school children the right to acknowledge God is unconscionable.

It's time for citizens throughout the country to condemn the increasing tendency of the courts, legislatures and the media to secularize and demean our deeply held values.

In one fell swoop, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has managed to make a mockery out of the judicial branch of government.

And as an American, I am ashamed today." 3

Columnist Tony Norman wrote a column on JUN-28 for the Pittsburgh PA Post-Gazette.

It was titled: "Is God so small he needs a Pledge for validation?"

He commented on the members of Congress who gathered on the steps of the Capitol on JUN-27 and called "down the equivalent of fire from heaven on the jurists.

Norman commented: "Determined to keep the puny god of American civil religion alive and kicking, regardless of the cost to constitutional integrity, the politicians weighed in with tough talk about every American child's right to spout the 'godly' party line by rote...What kind of vapid, nondenominational god are politicians so hell-bent on restoring to the Pledge of Allegiance?

Would any self-respecting deity allow itself to be patronized by such opportunistic poseurs?

What kind of god do these politicians imagine the American people want to pledge their allegiance to, anyway?"

Norman saw an analogy in the Bible, in 1 Kings, Chapter 18.

That passage described was a confrontation between 450 priests of Baal and prophet Elijah.

When Baal did not respond to his priests' appeal, Elijah called down the power of Jehovah.

The priests were later murdered in cold blood.

Norman wrote: "I'm not suggesting that there should be any contemporary parallels, but it wouldn't hurt for our more shameless leaders to remember the former price of idolatry while rushing to restore "under God" to a pledge most of them don't take seriously anyway."

According to the Family Research Council, the National Education Association, and the National Association of Secondary School Principals have not made statements -- pro or con -- on the court's decision.

The national PTA has released a statement stating that their group has "no position on the 'under God' language."

 

[Duff Miver]

I'm not going to accuse you of being slow, but you are half fast.

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Also, within hours of the release of the ruling, there was considerable reaction from politicians:

The Senate unanimously (99 to 0) passed a resolution in support for the phrase "under God." They asked the appeals court panel to reverse its ruling.

White House spokesperson, Ari Fleisher, speaking for President Bush said "The president's reaction was that this ruling is ridiculous."

Senate Majority Leader Thomas Daschle (D) called it "just nuts."

During the days following the ruling, other individuals and groups expressed their opinion:

Ron Barrier, of American Atheists called the decision "a victory." He said: "I think for the first time the courts of the United States are starting or beginning to recognize the rights of nonbelievers as well as believers."

The House of Representatives passed a resolution on JUN-27 opposing the ruling. The vote was 416 to 3.

Dr. James Dobson, founder of the influential Fundamentalist Christian Group Focus on the Family. On his radio program on JUN-27, he said said that the decision "a shameless insult against America and all of her citizens...This abominable ruling by an imperious court is a slap in the face to all Americans and people of faith.

How easily we forget that on the (evening) of September 11, a bipartisan group of 150 members of the House and Senate, led by Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Democrat Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, gathered together on the Capitol steps and sang 'God Bless America.'

While we stood frightened, grieved and resolute to fight the evil that struck our nation, we clung to our country's foundational principles and banded together for better or for worse.

That this activist court saw fit to deny millions of school children the right to acknowledge God is unconscionable.

It's time for citizens throughout the country to condemn the increasing tendency of the courts, legislatures and the media to secularize and demean our deeply held values.

In one fell swoop, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has managed to make a mockery out of the judicial branch of government.

And as an American, I am ashamed today." 3

Columnist Tony Norman wrote a column on JUN-28 for the Pittsburgh PA Post-Gazette.

It was titled: "Is God so small he needs a Pledge for validation?"

He commented on the members of Congress who gathered on the steps of the Capitol on JUN-27 and called "down the equivalent of fire from heaven on the jurists.

Norman commented: "Determined to keep the puny god of American civil religion alive and kicking, regardless of the cost to constitutional integrity, the politicians weighed in with tough talk about every American child's right to spout the 'godly' party line by rote...What kind of vapid, nondenominational god are politicians so hell-bent on restoring to the Pledge of Allegiance?

Would any self-respecting deity allow itself to be patronized by such opportunistic poseurs?

What kind of god do these politicians imagine the American people want to pledge their allegiance to, anyway?"

Norman saw an analogy in the Bible, in 1 Kings, Chapter 18.

That passage described was a confrontation between 450 priests of Baal and prophet Elijah.

When Baal did not respond to his priests' appeal, Elijah called down the power of Jehovah.

The priests were later murdered in cold blood.

Norman wrote: "I'm not suggesting that there should be any contemporary parallels, but it wouldn't hurt for our more shameless leaders to remember the former price of idolatry while rushing to restore "under God" to a pledge most of them don't take seriously anyway."

According to the Family Research Council, the National Education Association, and the National Association of Secondary School Principals have not made statements -- pro or con -- on the court's decision.

The national PTA has released a statement stating that their group has "no position on the 'under God' language."

It's too bad you're such a butthole buddy, but that's just the way it is.

I don't give a flying fuck what the PTA or any other group or organizations says.

It's put down, right here, in the First amendment:

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion,

Yes, buddy, that's what it says.

Every citizen of this country is entitled, on equal basis, to follow any religion, or no religion at all. It's every person's choice.

Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muhammadan, Shinto, Devil-worshiper, Agnostic, Atheist, all are protected equally under OUR CONSTITUTION.

So take your Bible-thumping bullshit and shove it up where the sun don't shine.