Internet Gambling/Libertarian

[ImFeklhr]

Not sure if anyone has chimed in on this angle but...

Do any of you need yet another reason to vote for every Libertarian running this November?

This is the only party that would never support banning Internet Gambling.

Come on people. We aren't getting out of Iraq. Gas prices are never going back down. Foreign debt isn't going away. So you might as well cast a protest vote.

Make some noise for once.

Republican or Democrat victories in November won't change a thing. Those are truly wasted votes.

 

[SixFive]

Not sure if anyone has chimed in on this angle but...

Do any of you need yet another reason to vote for every Libertarian running this November?

This is the only party that would never support banning Internet Gambling.

Come on people. We aren't getting out of Iraq. Gas prices are never going back down. Foreign debt isn't going away. So you might as well cast a protest vote.

Make some noise for once.

Republican or Democrat victories in November won't change a thing. Those are truly wasted votes.

have to disagree. I'll vote for the candidate who is most likely to beat the candidate I dislike the most. Third party vote is like pissing in the wind. Maybe someday that will change.

 

[dr. freeze]

unfortunately, i have to make sure that i vote against the candidate that wants to plunder my paycheck and force me and my family into the welfare lines begging for another handout from the government

this doing so at the expense of losing online gambling

 

[Jabberwocky]

"unfortunately, i have to make sure that i vote against the candidate that wants to plunder my paycheck and force me and my family into the welfare lines begging for another handout from the government"

after 8 years of Clinton, did you find yourself in the bread line? No. You found yourself with a budget surpluss and less expansion of government than what we have already experienced under the current administration.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

not in bread line now either-- in fact would like to hear from anyone worse off now then 6 years ago and reason why-- however do not attribute that to any party nor will I attribute any gain or loss to next party.

The only way I can see any party effecting ones(working class tax payors)bottom lines is TAXES whether it be on individuals or corporations.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

not in bread line now either-- in fact would like to hear from anyone worse off now then 6 years ago and reason why-- however do not attribute that to any party nor will I attribute any gain or loss to next party.

The only way I can see any party effecting ones(working class tax payors)bottom line is TAXES whether it be on individuals or corporations.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

not in bread line now either-- in fact would like to hear from anyone worse off now then 6 years ago and reason why-- however do not attribute that to any party nor will I attribute any gain or loss to next party.

The only way I can see any party effecting ones(working class tax payors)bottom line is TAXES whether it be on individuals or corporations.

I did have decline at end of Clinton and start of Bush--but fault lies in my judgement--not anything either admin did.

 

[Chadman]

That must be a helluva loaf of bread, Freeze.



What is a fair tax rate for you, by the way? And would you mind giving up your deductions along the way, while you are at it? Just curious.

 

[smurphy]

Not sure if anyone has chimed in on this angle but...

Do any of you need yet another reason to vote for every Libertarian running this November?

This is the only party that would never support banning Internet Gambling.

Come on people. We aren't getting out of Iraq. Gas prices are never going back down. Foreign debt isn't going away. So you might as well cast a protest vote.

Make some noise for once.

Republican or Democrat victories in November won't change a thing. Those are truly wasted votes.

I agree and find it comical how quickly the following posts became a typical lesser evil squabble.

....The democrats are the far less evil by the way.:SIB

 

[smurphy]

not in bread line now either-- in fact would like to hear from anyone worse off now then 6 years ago and reason why-- however do not attribute that to any party nor will I attribute any gain or loss to next party.

The only way I can see any party effecting ones(working class tax payors)bottom line is TAXES whether it be on individuals or corporations.

I did have decline at end of Clinton and start of Bush--but fault lies in my judgement--not anything either admin did.

There are about 20,000 servicemen and women worse off - either from death or mutilation.

 

[ImFeklhr]

....The democrats are the far less evil by the way.:SIB

I would agree, but they are only less evil because they currently have less power.

Although they never quite muster monolithic focus when they do have power. Too easily distracted/fragmented.

I guess I am lucky not to have a family, so I can just vote for whomever I want. :shrug:

It's usually all theoretical, since my life doesn't change much when the government F'cks up.

Rent was still due yesterday, work was still required this morning, and whisky will be in my future tonight. None of that changes.

But I like dealing with the theoretical issues of politics, even when it doesn't directly change my day to day life.

Sadly, this time, I have to deal with the actual changing of my life/behavior because of something stupid the government did.

Sucks.

The morale of my story remains: To hell with em all, but in the mean time I'll be voting Libertarian.

<sigh>

 

[samayam]

I would love to vote libertarian. But that party needs to get their act together just like the rest of them. I mean they want to dismantle the edu. system and wellfare tomarrow, which is just not a reality. I dont know who the hell I will vote for this november since seems like repb's are spending too much and trying to legs. morality while dem's are becoming so liberal its borderline un-american. i think trey parker and matt stone said it best "we hate conservatives, but we really hate liberals". i look foward to the day when the libertarian party gets their act together and can be a major contender--it seems like any american who has read the constitution and the federalist papers would identify most with the libertarian party.

ps: attaching the internet gambling bill to a security bill makes me fvcking sick to my stomach, come on Frist-get real.

 

[ImFeklhr]

Yeah the Libertarian party does have some extreme ideas. Their idealogy is a lot different than what we are accustomed to hearing.

But I think it is a safe vote. It probably is a protest vote for the forseable future. And should they win a few seats in a few states, or in congress, the entire government wouldn't dismantle.

They would simply act as a voice/advocate of small government and personal freedom. Perhaps someday enough power to prevent bad leglislation from passing.

But I highly doubt they will muster the strength to do anything that would scared the "average voter"

But at least then there would be a third option. Shit I wouldn't even have a problem with a congress that was 10% Green, 10% Libertarian, 30% Democrat, 30% Republican, 20% Independant. Something along those lines. Would force compoimise.

 

[smurphy]

I wouldn't even have a problem with a congress that was 10% Green, 10% Libertarian, 30% Democrat, 30% Republican, 20% Independant. Something along those lines. Would force compoimise.

That would be great.

As it is, I have a feeling almost all of the protest votes and protest non-votes will come from people who otherwise vote Republican. They just can't stomach voting for a Democrat, but know they are going against their conscious by continuing to support Republicans.

Democrats will vote for their party. They are still reeling from the 2000/Nader thing. If they get off their lazy asses they will dominate this election.

 

[taoist]

have to disagree. I'll vote for the candidate who is most likely to beat the candidate I dislike the most. Third party vote is like pissing in the wind. Maybe someday that will change.

As long as most everyone thinks this way, things will continue to remain as they are today.... :nono:


...a vote is a vote! None of them are *wasted* per se.... If everyone that is "waiting until the 3rd party has a chance" would grab a sack and vote his conscience, the 3rd party *would* have a chance and this revolution would change the political landscape for many years to come.... For Christ's sake, that weasel Perot almost did it.... :com:

 

[smurphy]

As long as most everyone thinks this way, things will continue to remain as they are today.... :nono:


...a vote is a vote! None of them are *wasted* per se.... If everyone that is "waiting until the 3rd party has a chance" would grab a sack and vote his conscience, the 3rd party *would* have a chance and this revolution would change the political landscape for many years to come.... For Christ's sake, that weasel Perot almost did it.... :com:

But fir fks sake, Bush got elected BECAUSE OF THIS IDEALISM. If Democrats stuck to their guns in 2000 instead of supporting Nader, we wouldn't have had Iraq and who knows what other major fkups.

Reality is unfortunate, but damnit I know I will do everything I can at this point to keep Republicans out of the white house and congress. Fk the 3rd party - it only aids the enemy.

 

[SixFive]

As long as most everyone thinks this way, things will continue to remain as they are today.... :nono:


...a vote is a vote! None of them are *wasted* per se.... If everyone that is "waiting until the 3rd party has a chance" would grab a sack and vote his conscience, the 3rd party *would* have a chance and this revolution would change the political landscape for many years to come.... For Christ's sake, that weasel Perot almost did it.... :com:

when it's close, we'll know by poll numbers (Just like we did with Perot). Whose to say the Libertarian candidate might be the worst choice anyway?? I'll decide when it's time.

 

[dawgball]

"I would agree, but they are only less evil because they currently have less power."

This statement is exactly the way I feel.

"If Democrats stuck to their guns in 2000 instead of supporting Nader...."

And we would have Gore in office. I'm not convinced that things would be better. Different? Certainly. Better? Doubtful from my standpoint, but we could "discuss" this until we are both too old to remember what we started talking about.

 

[Jabberwocky]

"I'm not convinced that things would be better."

Well, we wouldn't be 8+ trillion in debt and we wouldn't have wasted countless lives and dollars on a useless war.

 

[dawgball]

"I'm not convinced that things would be better."

Well, we wouldn't be 8+ trillion in debt and we wouldn't have wasted countless lives and dollars on a useless war.

you are so smart.