Iraq forces

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Iraq forces could control all provinces this year:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Iraq's army and police could be ready to take over security in all 18 provinces by the end of this year as the U.S. military moves toward a less prominent role in the country, U.S. officials said on Thursday.

full article-http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1724900020080117

Great news to most--but unbelievably -terrible news to many.

Would seal defeat for one party in general-- after collectively being against the surge--and especially after their "track meet-to defeat" on discussion in debate on who would retreat faster from Iraq if elected. :nooo:

 

[kosar]

Wayne,

Why would that be 'terrible' news for anybody and how would that 'seal defeat' for the dems?

If Iraqi forces do in fact control all 18 provinces by the end of the year (quite interesting timing on this assessment what with the election being at the end of the year and all), I assume THEN that you'll be at the front of the line calling to start withdrawing at least 90-95% of our troops.

And just so we know, do you believe that that would be the end of it after we leave?

The Kurds, Shia and Sunni's will just live happily ever after?

The Iraqi government has shown no signs whatsoever of being able to hold anything together after we leave.

Whatever the case, if that happens with Iraqi forces having it all under control, I think it's great news!

 

[Chadman]

I wonder if these are the same officials that were saying that we had to stay the course indefinitely in Iraq when discussions about withdrawing were getting under way - BECAUSE those same Iraqi "forces" were repeatedly shown to be unable to take control of virtually anything? I believe it was as late as late 2007? Did the trainers withhold the really important training stuff until January 2008?

What a joke. I feel quite confident that you, Wayne, do not really think the Iraqi army and police will actually be able to take over control of that country, and actually control it. I am making an assumption, but seriously, man, I don't think you believe that report yourself.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Granted i believe you and chad and most others are for success--but don't think for a minute the Kos-moveon-code pinkies and large part of liberals aren't looking for anything but success story out of there--they are easy to spot--they make a post every time there is bad news--but have yet to make 1st post on anything positive. ie the Spy and crew.
Was just last week historic step was made politically with the iraqi gov allowing bathe party in gov--didn't here anything anywhere--but when surge was working they revamped their war cry "what about gov progress"--when it comes you don't here a peep. They sulk and sit and wait for any other bad news to rejuvinate them.
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Per your question Chad--I have never changed my stance of goal/victory being in supportive role with Iraqi's packing the load and we having permanant bases similiar to Kuwait.Much like Biden's visionary plan at beginning until his co-harts hounded him.

 

[Chadman]

I understand your long-time position on our establishing permanent position there, Wayne. My real question was to ask if you really believe the report you posted in the sense that the forces would be able to actually take over security in all provinces and maintain any semblance of real control or security without extensive support from our country.

The story sounds like a wonderful story, until you read that at best they are talking of withdrawing 20-40,000 troops during this timeframe out of more than 155,000 that are there. And this is supposed to give some kind of overall feeling that these people are prepared to take over and we will just be supporting, and a lot of our troops are coming home? I don't think most Americans would be happy that AT BEST only a quarter of our troops would be coming home (who knows if for good or not, by the way) by the end of the year. And the general quoted in the story reiterates the Iraqi's are not "there" yet in maintaining any kind of control.

Just doesn't add up to me, again. I am honestly happy for any "successes" that result in safer situations for our troops. I can't really take too much credit for that, as I was staunchly against the war all along, so to take credit for success is a little disingenous, IMO. And I still am having a hard time figuring out exactly what Americans will have "won" even in any kind of future scenario here. IN NO WAY was the war in Iraq worth it to me, personally, nor our country in general, as far as I can tell.

 

[shamrock]

Great news indeed, probably time for another "mission accomplished" photo opportunity. And I think everyone feels much safer. So much has changed since Saddam was killed. It has definitely been worth the billions & billions wasted. money so well spent. Thank God Saddam never got opportunity to use that massive arsenal of weapons of mass distraction .

 

[Spytheweb]

Iraq forces could control all provinces this year:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Iraq's army and police could be ready to take over security in all 18 provinces by the end of this year as the U.S. military moves toward a less prominent role in the country, U.S. officials said on Thursday.

full article-http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1724900020080117

Great news to most--but unbelievably -terrible news to many.

Would seal defeat for one party in general-- after collectively being against the surge--and especially after their "track meet-to defeat" on discussion in debate on who would retreat faster from Iraq if elected. :nooo:

The truth here is that the American government does not want Iraq truly free because that would mean they can elect the real government they want which is Islamic.

The US needs a devil in Iraq to justify being there. It's their cover story to stay on top of the oil.

 

[IntenseOperator]

The US needs a devil in Iraq to justify being there. It's their cover story to stay on top of the oil.

I'm sure you have gone into this in another thread. Can you direct me to the thread or explain the post?

 

[Spytheweb]

I'm sure you have gone into this in another thread. Can you direct me to the thread or explain the post?

The US government needs a boogeyman that they have to save you from.

This country's boogeyman is Al-Qaeda. The US government will break it's own laws to protect you from this monster. Meanwhile reducing freedoms, putting together data bases, info on it's citizens, such as AT&T and Verizon turning over their records to the government. These are things that a fascist back government does.

No arab country has a democratic government in the area, since most of Iraq is shiite, like Iran, Islamic is the most likely.

Why not press Saudi for a democratic government?

Why not leave Iraq and let them get care of their own business. In the end all will balance out. The reason they can't is, they want to keep their foot in the oil door.

There is a report out today that 75% of Baghdad is under control. What a joke. We'll talking a country. Just picture America invaded and the enemy has 75% of Washington D.C. under control? Guess what? You've loss the war thinking like this. Who are the people who think this is going well?

Did anyone watch the story about Africa on 60 minutes last Sunday? Where people are being slaughtered and women raped from the ages of 3 years old to 75 and family members made to watch? I rather see US troops there holding down order than in Iraq. But it won't happen because there is no money to be made there.

 

[djv]

I can only pray were out by end of 08. I don't see it unless Bush leaves office do to sickness and takes Cheney with. BUT problem is we need the guys/gals back in Afghanistan. And God forbid Pakistan.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

The US government needs a boogeyman that they have to save you from.

This country's boogeyman is Al-Qaeda. The US government will break it's own laws to protect you from this monster. Meanwhile reducing freedoms, putting together data bases, info on it's citizens, such as AT&T and Verizon turning over their records to the government. These are things that a fascist back government does.

No arab country has a democratic government in the area, since most of Iraq is shiite, like Iran, Islamic is the most likely.

Why not press Saudi for a democratic government?

Why not leave Iraq and let them get care of their own business. In the end all will balance out. The reason they can't is, they want to keep their foot in the oil door.

There is a report out today that 75% of Baghdad is under control. What a joke. We'll talking a country. Just picture America invaded and the enemy has 75% of Washington D.C. under control? Guess what? You've loss the war thinking like this. Who are the people who think this is going well?

Did anyone watch the story about Africa on 60 minutes last Sunday? Where people are being slaughtered and women raped from the ages of 3 years old to 75 and family members made to watch? I rather see US troops there holding down order than in Iraq. But it won't happen because there is no money to be made there.

Thank You Spy- you always manage to confirm my opinion.

Lets see--we should be in Iraq because they didn't attack-but Africa is fine. OK

You got the "liberal concern" of people being slaughtered as before--but had no prob when you orchestrated retreat from VN resulting in the greatest genocide in history--what to run from Iraq which would triggered more genocide--but ok to go to Africa and at the 1st sign of casualties there- be wailing for another retreat again.

KOS/Moveon should make you a feature editor--under title of "Liberal Logic"

 

[djv]

Iraq may have been insane place. I don't see we changed it to much. Africa a different story. And we never had 200000 troops there. In fact what have we done to help? I don't believe there's any oil that part of Africa. If there was I do believe you would have a bigger about the help Bush would send.

 

[StevieD]

It is great news. But why do you credit the Surge for the turn around. Maybe the threat of the American people demanding we pull out got them to decide they better get along or else? No matter if they get along or not it was a stupid invasion and has brought us to our knees financially. Just what bin Laden wanted.