iraq is arming troops with chemical weapons---------But I thought he didn't have WMD

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I read this on Fox News site:


Iraq Arming Troops With Chemical Weapons


Monday, March 17, 2003

WASHINGTON ? Iraqi troops south of Baghdad are armed with chemical weapons, Fox News has learned.

Senior Defense and other U.S. officials confirmed that intelligence reports indicate that Saddam Hussein's troops are armed with chemical munitions.

"The information is raw ? and hard to confirm ... but we are seeing -- using different methods -- that Saddam Hussein has armed troops south of Baghdad with chemical weapons," one official said.

Officials say it's hard to tell how many of these weapons are being distributed, but the intelligence reports indicate that "some chemical shells" have been provided to troops.

Senior Defense officials say they expected the Iraqis to use these weapons, and they predict more movement by Iraqi troops in the South and the West in the next day or so.

Iraqi troops along the Kuwaiti border far to the south are in shooting distance of U.S. troops stationed there -- but the troops with the chemical shells are further north -- still in the southern no-fly zone, but south of Baghdad.

Saddam said Monday that Iraq once had weapons of mass destruction for defense against Iran and Israel, but it no longer holds them, according to the Iraqi News Agency.

"We are not weapons collectors," Saddam said in remarks during a meeting with a Tunisian envoy.. "But we had these weapons for purposes of self-defense when we were at war with Iran for eight years and when the Zionist entity (Israel) was, and it still is, a threat."

Iraq and Iran fought a ruinous 1980-1988 war in which chemical weapons were used.

"When Saddam Hussein says he has no weapons of mass destruction, he means what he says," Saddam said.

He also said his country had fully cooperated with U.N. inspectors seeking to verify that Iraq had eliminated its banned weapons.

"We have a real desire to rid our region and the whole world of weapons of mass destruction," Saddam said.

He then called on the United States to set an example by destroying its own weapons of mass destruction first.

President Bush has warned Saddam bluntly to disarm or face the consequences. Bush will give Saddam an ultimatum -- either get out of Baghdad or face a military thrashing -- in an address to the nation Monday night
 

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AR,

Of course he lied about that. Very few, if anybody, anywhere(well, maybe France and Iraq), suggested that he didn't have chem/bio weapons. The thing is that now we are going to run our guys right into them instead of harmlessly bitching about them being stored somewhere. Instead of waiting for him to take the weapons to us, we are going to take us to the weapons.

I hope and pray that it doesn't happen, but if and when they use those on us and the images get sent back here, it will be the end of this presidency. But more importantly, we will be left with an incredible problem. We really can't nuke them and we won't retaliate with chem/bio weapons, so where do we go? Hope that we take over the country before they kill *too many* of our troops with these hideous weapons?

So this could become a self-fullfilling prophecy of sorts. In order to prove that they have these weapons, we are going to use our young men's and women's lives to prove it.

How in the world can we prevent Iraq from using these weapons if they so choose in the first days of the war? And why in the world wouldn't Iraq use everything at it's disposal? What possible reason would he have for using restraint?

If by some miracle chemical weapons aren't used, then we would have to accept that either ol' Saddam has a conscience or he didn't have them after all. There isn't much middle ground there.

If the use of these weapons *does* happen, then it's obvious that instead of terrorism coming to us, we decided to knowingly walk right into it. And a select few people running this country will have to live with that.
 

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I hope to here more on this other then just Fox News. They believe anything that comes to them. Fox had Iraq with a nuke program going again. Then we find out from Our CIA and FBI that paper work was froged. No nuke program ongoing in Iraq. This can end up false to.
 

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kosar said:

I hope and pray that it doesn't happen, but if and when they use those on us and the images get sent back here, it will be the end of this presidency. But more importantly, we will be left with an incredible problem. We really can't nuke them


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your kidding yourself if you dont think that George W will not use a tactical nuke in the event of chemical attacks by Iraqui army. A few of these nukes should take the fight out of them. George and Colin are on record saying they will not discount anything in our arsenal if he uses chem or bio weapons.

Also if they scud missle Israel they will also respond with nukes.

Thats the problem with this war. No one knows how quickly things can escalate into global trouble.


Scott King of Dogs
 

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kosar

your kidding yourself if you dont think that George W will not use a tactical nuke in the event of chemical attacks by Iraqui army. A few of these nukes should take the fight out of them. George and Colin are on record saying they will not discount anything in our arsenal if he uses chem or bio weapons.

Also if they scud missle Israel they will also respond with nukes.

Thats the problem with this war. No one knows how quickly things can escalate into global trouble.


Scott King of Dogs



Who the f*ck are they going to nuke? Are they gonna lob one into the capitol? That would be splendid.

'a few of these nukes should take the fight out of them'?

ummm... yeah, it would take the fight out of them.

And there is no way we will nuke Iraq if they shoot scuds at Israel.

While I guess it's possible that this goofy admin would nuke in response to a chem attack, can you imagine the fallout(no pun intended)?

You're exactly right about what the 'problem with this war' is.
 

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You know it just dawned on me. If Gore had got one more vote we would nort even have to have this war.;)
 
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to: Mr. Kosar
re: interview as news commentator for Fox News



Mr. Kosar

Your recent request for employment as a news commentator here at Fox News has been cancelled. As you're probably quite aware, we here at Fox News have agents everywhere whose sole responsiblity is to the right thinking, repub..ugghh....powers that are seeking to remedy the world of all evil as we know it. These agents 'against evil' have informed us of your dangerous left-wing Iraqi viewpoints. Views that we cannot allow to exist until every American shares the 'right' American way to view things and is a faithful Fox viewer.

We feel it best that you seek employment elsewhere where your subversive commie attitude will better serve your kind.


Hugs and kisses

Rupert MurDock

ps. I hope you die in your sleep slime-ball
 

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If Gore received more votes gas would be $5.00 a gallon (he said that was fine with him) and your tax bite would render your paycheck meaningless. Iraq, North Korea, Iran and Muslim Radicals would laugh in his face while he was out hugging a tree.
 

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ferdville I cant make the same statement. We will never know. But I no he had no vendetta with Iraq. Who knows maybe 9/11 may never happened. We just cant say.
 

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You know it just dawned on me. If Gore had got one more vote we would nort even have to have this war.

Damn, you wouldn't think it would have been that hard to pay off one more drunk in the streets of Florida.
 

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Kill em all and let God sort em out. I dont know about you guys. but im behind this country 210%. If we lived in iraq we wouldnt even be having this discussion. we wouldnt even be able to gamble or anything. Were not gonna know if this war is bad or good until later on. But the way this economy is going, we need something to jump start it. Its sad to see a war do it, but by all hell, I'm up for anything.

Part of me used to say this war wasn't a good idea but overall thats nuts. If saddam had nothing to hide, really nothing to hide, how come the last few years, he wouldn't let weapons inspectors in there. that sounds fishy to me. and i know there are a few countries that don't agree with what we are doing, but still a majority think this is the right thing. well im blablling on, this is a good debate, but im all for this war. something needs to be done now. Gore's a pussy anyways.
 

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ferdville I cant make the same statement. We will never know. But I no he had no vendetta with Iraq. Who knows maybe 9/11 may never happened. We just cant say.

DJV...you sound like a nice guy.....and I know you are older and much wiser but your dislike for Bush is showing.How can you even think for one second if Gore would have won that 9/11 would have never happen???Al Qaeda had been planning that gutless attack for years.Im shocked that you would even print such garbage.
 

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Mr. Murdoch,

You spelled your last name wrong. I would think a multi-millionaire like yourself would know how to spell your name correctly.

DJV,

If gore would have won the electoral vote & had become our president he would have led the troops in the battle against iraq himself. He would not have trusted anyone else with this responsibility.

My good friend Kosar,

As somebody who voted for gore & had voted more democratic than republican in my life I am very glad that a democrat is not our president in these times. I don't think that the dems don't understand how to battle these thugs.We are in a street fight with these terrorists & with the nations that support them. Our enemies do not follow the rules of battle like past enemies. This enemy does not hesitate in killing innocent civilians. Guys like Cheney & Rumsfeld & now Bush understand what we are up against. I don't see any dem. willing to get down & dirty & being committed to this type of war. We finally have a president who understands that you can't negotiate with dictators & the only thing they understand is brute force.

I am sure you are aware of a saying in football that says, "in order to have a good defense you need a good offense". This saying also applies to the war against terrorism. You can never win a war like this by waiting until the enemy attacks us as they did on 9/11. The best way to win this war is taking the action to our enemy. I pray to god that there aren't many casulties on our side but these young men that are representing our cause(US,UK, Austalia, Poland) are well trained & equipped with the necessary gear to successfully battle whatever wmd that saddam launches. From what I have heard is that saddam does not have the means to successfully launch these wmd. I also think that it will backfire on saddam if he uses wmd, because imo his troops do not have the proper gear. BTW, I also heard that an important iraqi general defected to the northern kurds. Last week some of the iraqi soldiers in the north heard gunfire, it was british soldiers training, & surrendered to these british soldiers. The british soldiers told the iraqi soldiers to wait until the war starts before surrendering.My point is that I don't have the same feeling as you do about this war.The allies are going to drop like 3000 guided bombs in the first 48 hours that will probably cause the iraqi army to be in disarray & the war will be in the allies control from there. And I feel it is 12 years in the making.

One more thing I used to base my voting opinion on social issues, but since 9/11 that has changed. I will probably vote republican as long we have this terrorism problem.
 

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Please forgive me if I have impugned Mr.Gore. Very rude to pick on the man who invented the internet. If it wasn't for Gore, we wouldn't have the freedom we have right now to state our opinions, as uninformed and ridiculous (mine included) as they are, on the internet.
 

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if saddam uses chemical or biological weapons

if saddam uses chemical or biological weapons

on our troops,i hope it`s the end of the bush presidency????..that`s your concern?.........get past your squirrelly politics..everything is republicans and democrats....conservatives and liberals......guys like you drive fence sitters like myself to the right....and that`s scary....god,man,have an independent thought occasionally....sheesh........

i am very worried that this war is going to bog down in baghdad.....i`m not buying the military analyst`s theory that this will be a relatively quick action....and i believe occupation will probably be a mess.....

but if these weapons are uncovered or used on our troops(and i pray that`s not the case),contrary to kosar,i believe that will make bush`s case.....and prove that the u.n. is a charade(a word with french origins,yikes)...nobody is stupid enough(i don`t think)to believe for a second that weapons inspectors were going to uncover this stuff....especially if troops weren`t massed on their borders....

i don`t know if i can agree with this action and it`s potential for disaster...but,i see the logic behind it.....we are somewhat hamstrung by n.korea`s nuclear capability(and it`s ability to destabilize that part of the world) ....they secretly send weapons to terrorists countries........but,the nukes change the equation......and i believe we`ll get more help from china and japan diplomatically than we`re now getting from france,germany and russia...and our national interests are much more immediate and acute in the middle east with terrorism,oil and israel in the mix.......

and i still sit squarely on the fence....man,what a tough decision....i will say that it takes enormous gonads.....and i hope it turns out well....for our troops especially,and for tony blair.....i have enormous respect and admiration for him....
 
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Re: if saddam uses chemical or biological weapons

Re: if saddam uses chemical or biological weapons

gardenweasel said:
on our troops,i hope it`s the end of the bush presidency????..that`s your concern?.........get past your squirrelly politics..everything is republicans and democrats....conservatives and liberals......guys like you drive fence sitters like myself to the right....and that`s scary....god,man,have an independent thought occasionally....sheesh........

but if these weapons are uncovered or used on our troops(and i pray that`s not the case),contrary to kosar,i believe that will make bush`s case.....and prove that the u.n. is a charade(a word with french origins,yikes)...nobody is stupid enough(i don`t think)to believe for a second that weapons inspectors were going to uncover this stuff....especially if troops weren`t massed on their borders....

and i still sit squarely on the fence....man,what a tough decision....i will say that it takes enormous gonads.....and i hope it turns out well....for our troops especially,and for tony blair.....i have enormous respect and admiration for him....


Get a grip, garden weasel. No, the end of the Bush presidency is not even close to the main concern of mine. The main concern of mine is more along the lines of ' what are we doing and to what end'? Can you understand this?

Of course they have chemical weapons. I'm not sure that has been refuted by anybody. The thing is, garden weasel, is that there is a good chance they will be used against us now, where as before there was little or no chance of this.

And how the f*ck can you say that 'if they use these weapons against our troops, then it will prove Bush's case'?

What case? That they have chemical weapons? Well, no shit. So does Iran, so does Syria.

There is nothing that this admin would like more than chems being introduced into this battle. In that case they could make the very same insipid argument that you do. We were right.

At what cost?
 

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AR,

If by some miracle chemical weapons aren't used, then we would have to accept that either ol' Saddam has a conscience or he didn't have them after all. There isn't much middle ground there.

If the use of these weapons *does* happen, then it's obvious that instead of terrorism coming to us, we decided to knowingly walk right into it. And a select few people running this country will have to live with that.

Geez, with this reasoning we shouldn't have gone after Al Quaeda....wouldda provoked them to do more terror on us....lets just leave them alone so we dont upset them....Glad there wasn't any terror cuz if there was that Cowboy W wouldda been responsible for inciting more for invading the Taliban!!!!

GREAT THINKING KOSAR!!!!!
 

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Geez, with this reasoning we shouldn't have gone after Al Quaeda....wouldda provoked them to do more terror on us....lets just leave them alone so we dont upset them....Glad there wasn't any terror cuz if there was that Cowboy W wouldda been responsible for inciting more for invading the Taliban!!!!

GREAT THINKING KOSAR!!!!!


WTF are you babbling about?

What exactly does this have to do with the current issues at hand?

I think that the current admin has done a great job of dealing with Al-queda. Now tell me why we're about to occupy Iraq.
 

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Come on guys give it a rest. Whats done is done. nothing you nor I can do about it now. All this bickering will drive you to a very bad ending.

Lets not forget we have 300,000 + American Soldiers plus our brave allies getting ready to embark on a very dangerous mission. Set political views aside and hope for the best for all troops. Hope for a quick ending and lets get them home.
 

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what do you mean"everybody knows they have chemical weapons"....saddam today, denied he has them......what in god`s name were the 12 years and the 17 u.n. resolutions about?.....what is this whole thing about?.....in your scenario,why bother....why not just go home....we know he has them....we know the inspectors will never find them....let`s just keep 300,000 troops on the border indefinitely and keep him contained..none of the stuff being destroyed now would have been done if not for the threat of force.........they have invaded neighboring countries,gassed their own people....and to say do nothing because he might use these weapons on our troops is the perfect argument to get him out of there....hell,he`s not afraid to use them on his own people.....he has been quoted as saying"my biggest mistake is not having nuclear weapons when i invaded kuwait".........and if not for israel bombing his french built reactor,he would have had nukes at that time.....he`s nuts....

we will never agree...although i`m still not sold on this invasion/occupation/regime change and actually think it may turn into a huge disaster....but to not see the reasoning behind it,is to choose not to see it....objectivity is a beautiful thing...

if you choose to rebut,it`s not necessary to quote what i keyed.....it`s right there for everyone to see...
 
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