"iraq`s wmd`s secreted in syria",iraqi general says

[steve2881]

I guess I don't really understand you here, or you didn't understand what I was saying.

My point was that as a result of our invasion, we are in no position to aggressively pursue Iran in any manner.

That, in large part, is why I feel less safe regarding the future. I probably don't feel any more or less safe today with Saddam gone, but the invasion itself has greatly hampered our ability to deal with actual threats and we might just pay for it if and when Iran completes it's goal of being a nuclear power in 5 or 10 years.

That's why I don't understand you saying 'we will have to deal with them', without realizing that we really have no capacity to do so as a direct result of 'removing Saddam.'

How can that make you feel more safe?

I don'think that we have ruined our capacity to deal w/ I ran. The difference here is the world community is much more in line as far as Iran is concerned than I raq. Unless, that is Iran also has an oil for food situation that can illegally funnel billions of dollars out of their country to line the pockets of the French and the Russians. I think ultimately the Israelis will have to have preemptive strikes, or invasion. This will be much more of a world problem as opposed to an American one.

 

[djv]

A world problem more then American one? So there are WMD's in Syria. This guy says there Iraq's. All Syria has to do is find them and give them back? Or do the keep them? Who said they can't have them. Iran might have nukes? Who said they can't have them? Soon someone will say Africa can't have any blacks. Next thing you know we will want to rule the world. We might even invade Iraq so they can have election. All these rumors. Canada is next we want there water. Then Cuba we want all there old 55,56 and 57 chevy's.

 

[steve2881]

A world problem more then American one? So there are WMD's in Syria. This guy says there Iraq's. All Syria has to do is find them and give them back? Or do the keep them? Who said they can't have them. Iran might have nukes? Who said they can't have them? Soon someone will say Africa can't have any blacks. Next thing you know we will want to rule the world. We might even invade Iraq so they can have election. All these rumors. Canada is next we want there water. Then Cuba we want all there old 55,56 and 57 chevy's.

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djv that quote is so ridiculous i can hardly respond. See, that is the difference between you and I. You seem to be taking this stuff so lightly. Comparing a country thats leader says Israel should be wiped off the map to Canada would be laughable if the subject matter wasn't so serious........Again, how short this countries attention span is. Could you imagine if a statement like this was made about ANYTHING having to do with any type of wmd's on sept. 12th 2001. Ridiculous

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

what I have hard time understanding--is during last elections all liberals in Kerry camp preached endless we should have negotiate with our Euro allies and get their "permission" before invading--

Ok so we let them do the negotiating with Iran--and they are doing their now infamous flop tactics once again.

Now "if" GW went in with force is their ANY doubt that they would flop to the other side? None whatsoever--

The liberal statagy is-- have no answers-commit to nothing--oppose any move by this admin--and be ready to flop on minutes notice

 

[gardenweasel]

He was not about to do anything to jeopardize his own personal twisted paradise - like actually use WMD's against Israel or America ...because that would mean the complete anihilation of his utopian existence.

i have to call you on this one smurph....

if he was not about to do anything to "jeopardize his own twisted personal paradise"....why not destroy his chemical stockpiles in front of u.n. inspectors?....

he had them...we know that for a fact.....but,they weren`t found....nor was there any verification that they were destroyed...


inspections...even as silly and useless as they were,went on for a decade...with saddam playing bait and switch...playing for time,kicking inspectors out at his own whim....not allowing certain areas to be inspected...it was a joke...

and the u.n. was getting ready to abandon the sanctions....hell,the sanctions were a ruse anyway.....didn`t stop saddam from getting what he wanted...just kept the people in poverty...

why not do as south africa did?...throw the doors open?... save himself to fight another day?

why destroy them in secret?....to fool his enemies into thinking he was still dangerous?...

why?...if he didn`t believe the u.s. would dare invade without the u.n.,why destroy them at all?....

if he did believe the u.s. was coming,why not destroy them in front of the u.n.?...and save his own ass?....

that makes absolutely no sense...

if he wasn`t willing " to jeopardize his own twisted personal paradise"?...

i still have heard no cogent argument on this question....

all i`ve heard is that "he was stupid"....

he was the single, most dangerous man in the region....he invaded neighbors....mass murdered his own people...set fire to oil wells...launched scuds into israel without provocation.....was proven to try and acquire nuclear weapons in the 80`s....thimbed his nose at to many u.n. resolutions to mention...

we provided the weaponry?..the chemical weapons?..o.k....

against the ayatollah khomeini,if i recall...(remember jimmy carter`s administration being paralyzed by his own middle eastern policy for 444 days as americans were held hostage in iran?)...i do...

we also aligned with stalin against hitler....

so?....it was necessary at the time..

north korea was botched...we now see how helpless we are to deal with a despot once he acquires wmd`s...

the idea is preemption...because once the cat`s out of the bag in the middle east,it`s ballgame....

one day....i hope in my lifetime...we will have an administration that will buck big oil....and go full bore toward finding a viable alternative fuel source....

i know the magnitude of converting a society like ours to a new energy source.....but,i know given that fact...with security threats on every side....an aging population....and two ridiculously antagonistic political parties more concerned with "gotcha" than the good of the country,it ain`t gonna happen...

i can dream....

what would the world be like without a pathological dependence on middle eastern oil?...

how wonderful would it be to render the dysfunctional middle east null and void?...

 

[djv]

Steve 2281 my point is simple. Our government will do what it wants to. And wont be calling any of us to see what we think.
Also to show how these rumors are just that rumors. Where are the pictures of all these weapons in Syria. Wheres the missile sitting ready to launch from Iran. We have no idea how much all this is BS. We find the truth later as always. Like WMD's still in Iraq none there. Like Cheney still saying Iraq was a leader in 9/11 attack. Complete lie.

 

[smurphy]

one day....i hope in my lifetime...we will have an administration that will buck big oil....and go full bore toward finding a viable alternative fuel source....

i know the magnitude of converting a society like ours to a new energy source.....but,i know given that fact...with security threats on every side....an aging population....and two ridiculously antagonistic political parties more concerned with "gotcha" than the good of the country,it ain`t gonna happen...

i can dream....

what would the world be like without a pathological dependence on middle eastern oil?...

how wonderful would it be to render the dysfunctional middle east null and void?...

rather than go back and forth on the rationale of saddam, i'll keep it simple and say that i WHOLE HEARTEDLY AGREE with this sentiment.

 

[gardenweasel]

does this mean i`m off saul`s s-it list?.... :mj14:

i`m not happy being the wearer of the smurphy "trollskin cap".....

 

[smurphy]

you were never on saul's shtlist as far as i know. he's pretty deficient in the friends departmant these days and not looking for enemies.

besides - he's not even really jewish - he's just seeing how many lawyers he can fool into thinking he is.

 

[steve2881]

Steve 2281 my point is simple. Our government will do what it wants to. And wont be calling any of us to see what we think.
Also to show how these rumors are just that rumors. Where are the pictures of all these weapons in Syria. Wheres the missile sitting ready to launch from Iran. We have no idea how much all this is BS. We find the truth later as always. Like WMD's still in Iraq none there. Like Cheney still saying Iraq was a leader in 9/11 attack. Complete lie.

thats what elections are for, the president doesn't take a poll of the american people to make decisions......geez. Why don't we just overhaul our governmental system and replace it with a phone line to do polling, to determine what course of action this country will take.

 

[Heyward]

The liberal statagy is-- have no answers-commit to nothing--oppose any move by this admin--and be ready to flop on minutes notice

So, the conservative strategy is use the word "liberal" a lot when things aren't going well?