Iraq War: A failure?

DR STRANGELOVE

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It's now over a month since the war ended, still too early to decide whether it has been a success but not too premature for a little analysis.

Firstly, no WMDs have been found and neither has Saddam. Secondly, the blueprint for Middle Eastern democracy is going pretty badly. Civil order has not yet been established, lawlessness, disease and hunger are rife. People are getting despondent. Thirdly, terrorism has reared it's ugly head again. Doesn't look like the war has done anything to curb that. Fourthly, lives and money have been lost and what is there to show for it.

Right now the US military is out of its depth, it's time to call in help from the international community if nation building is really going to be successful.


But, I am sure the liberated Iraqi people feel that this war was a success. There are no longer women being raped and beaten in the streets by state run gangs, children are not being forced to watch their family be executed, and govt dissenters are no longer having their tongues publicly cut out.



Though, the individual lives of the Iraqi people was never what this war was about.

The big ideals were WMDs, terrorism and democracy. On all those fronts this war has proved hollow and has failed (so far.)

Who really thinks it was planned US policy to replace Garner so early? No one in the government expected the lawlessness and looting. While the problems of famine and poverty were surely inherited from the Saddam regime the coalition has done very little in a month to put right these problems. Just look at the oil situation, before the war Iraqis had fuel for their cars, but not now.

Trucks full of coca-cola are streaming into US camps while the people still have nothing.

The situation is a complete failure right now. Time will tell the truth ..but I think it is safe to say that 1 month after the war, the US has not achieved as much as it hoped.
 

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dr strangelove,

very good post.

as you have said it is a little too early to know if this war is a success. but, imo anytime a dog like saddam is taken down, i think the world is better off.

everything that i have read & heard about saddam, makes me think that there was wmd. it is just the nature of this guy, becoming as powerful as he can. it just takes time to find.

i am also surprised & disappointed about the speed its taking in getting things running. i have read that many of the cities outside of baghdad are running pretty smoothly with some of these cities having their own gov't. i think the problem with baghdad is that the us did not commit enough troops to police the area. but i have heard that 25,000 more troops are being sent into baghdad for support.
another factor to the problems is that saddam issued guns to the people before the war, & instead of using these guns on the allies, some of them are using these guns for illegal uses.this is hindering the implementation of the programs that were supposed to start. the us is implementing programs to take these weapons away from these civilians. there is also many retired policemen, getting paid $80,000 per year to help set up an effective police dep't. in baghdad.

i just heard that france, germany, & russia will be backing the us proposal to lift un sanctions. this is a major move to getting iraq up & running because now the oil could start being sold to other nations. of course this will generate needed income for iraq.

btw, after ww2, the us occupied japan something like 11 or 12 years & germany something like 7 or 8 years to help turn those countries into democratic countries.
 

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I was a little surprised to see that Dr.Strange actually has the time to post something other than naked women:D good read,you and AR one question here from me...............Does anyone else get real tired of our national news??? Its a bummer as well as worrysome and it just makes me want to throw up.

New York Post- today front page
CITY ON EDGE secret email threats . Now lets be serious what the hell are people supposed to do with this not to mention the local news TERROR ALERTS HIGHTENED?????? YES I'll admit it I was one of those people that went to the hardware store and bought duct tape and plastic YES I did how ridiculous :shrug: I guess I'm one of those who needs to stay away from the news as much as possible I GET SCARED not for me as much as for my kids and where there where abouts would be if anything did ever happen. I'm just sick of hearing about all the lies the media feeds us YUP I believe alot of it is lies!!
 

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Well I cant say either. So far we look like we fight good with our new star war weapons. But then fall back in same garbage pit we always do. We never completed Afghianstan. Its a garbage pit. The adminastration is guessing. I mean we put a person in Iraq to be the planner and pull things togeather. Then pull him in less then 3 weeks. Then we should believe that was always the plan. Wont buy that one.
We have over 1000 containers arrive at our sea ports every day. 20%, thats 20% of them get checked. Thats all we can do right now. Not enough money. Chit fight a costly 22 days whatever. Had money for that so call war. Just think 800 containers a day come into our country un-checked. Boy are we still wide open for a black eye. Estimate 11000 illegals try to come acrosse are borders every day. Doing best we can not enough money. Saudi has lots of money and all trails of money for terroist go through Saudi.
Fu?? Iraq it was samll problem. Had it needed more attetion it would have been taken care of many years ago. Bush got his Dads revenge. Iraq now just another problem. Same as before.
but of course all those WMD we found cant be used anywhere in the world. I hope we find some some day. Before there all on the black market. And comeing in too our country through our wide open sea ports. But were short money right now. Our Priorities are starting to show big holes in them.
 
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sort of reminds me of the situation in the USSR. ive seen more than one article/report on the discontent of the russian people since the colapse of communism. many of them would welcome back the old rule because they all had jobs and food on their tables. granted when you look at the old rule from a western perspective, it seemed cold and rigid. cold and rigid leadership is a hell of a lot better than bedlum and starvation, which is still very much the reality in the republics today. i wouldnt be surprised if we see a rise of black market/mob style control take hold in Iraq much like it is in Moscow.

what a mess
 

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TBONEZ0295 said:
I was a little surprised to see that Dr.Strange actually has the time to post something other than naked women:D good read,you and AR one question here from me...............Does anyone else get real tired of our national news??? Its a bummer as well as worrysome and it just makes me want to throw up.

New York Post- today front page
CITY ON EDGE secret email threats . Now lets be serious what the hell are people supposed to do with this not to mention the local news TERROR ALERTS HIGHTENED?????? YES I'll admit it I was one of those people that went to the hardware store and bought duct tape and plastic YES I did how ridiculous :shrug: I guess I'm one of those who needs to stay away from the news as much as possible I GET SCARED not for me as much as for my kids and where there where abouts would be if anything did ever happen. I'm just sick of hearing about all the lies the media feeds us YUP I believe alot of it is lies!!

TB,

you mean to tell me you didn't read my thesis on the United Nations??

:(
 

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In January, Democratic presidential candidate John Keary(sp?) lead president Bush in the polls in Keary's homestate of Maine by 6 points. Now after the Iraqi war, Bush is commanding a 13 pt lead of Keary in Maine. I imagine similar polls in other presidential candidate's home states will be forthcoming shortly.
Somehow I anticipate similar results.

Irregardless of your own feelings re the 'failure' or 'success' of the war, the political direction of the average American voter has apparently been swayed bigtime by the 'shock and awe' campaign conducted in Iraq.
 
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I think DJV hit the nail on the head when he said MONEY. Think about it. Bin Laden is a man without a country. We are fighting an enemy without borders. Bin Laden knows that he can not beat us militarily. But he very well may beat us if we keep on this path this administration has laid out. So we "liberated Iraq, big deal. That hasn't stopped any terrorist attacks. But it costs us billions. Billions we should have spent defending our borders and upgrading our intelligence organizations.
A well placed suicide bomber here and there is all Bin Laden has planned. While we are spending billions and heading right for a depression. That is how he will beat us. And I am afraid we are playing right into his hands.
 

djv

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Stevie the monies right out in the open in Saudi. We slap there hands a little. Thats it. Yes were spending Billions. Bin spends little compared to that. Yes Mr Bush has high numbers 62 down from 74. And with out another battle or some pick up in the jobs. They will go lower. Only reason they dont drop now is. We all have hope he's not stupid as his old man was.
 
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