Iraqi leaders want timetable-say insurgents not terrorists

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So these Iraqi leaders want a timetable and say things should be wrapped up by the end of next year. They say that people blowing up US soldiers are not terrorists. They want an end to raids and arrests without a judicial order. And this is the Iraqi government for Christs sake. Yep, let's stay the course.




Iraqi Leaders Call for Timetable for U.S. Withdrawal
Say Opposition Has a 'Legitimate Right" of Resistance
By SALAH NASRAWI , AP

CAIRO, Egypt (Nov. 22) - Reaching out to the Sunni Arab community, Iraqi leaders called for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and said Iraq's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.

The communique - finalized by Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders Monday - condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if their operations do not target innocent civilians or institutions designed to provide for the welfare of Iraqi citizens.

The leaders agreed on "calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces ... control the borders and the security situation" and end terror attacks.

The preparatory reconciliation conference, held under the auspices of the Arab League, was attended by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish lawmakers as well as leading Sunni politicians.

Sunni leaders have been pressing the Shiite-majority government to agree to a timetable for the withdrawal of all foreign troops. The statement recognized that goal, but did not lay down a specific time - reflecting instead the government's stance that Iraqi security forces must be built up first.

On Monday, Iraqi Interior Minister Bayan Jabr suggested U.S.-led forces should be able to leave Iraq by the end of next year, saying the one-year extension of the mandate for the multinational force in Iraq by the U.N. Security Council this month could be the last.

"By the middle of next year we will be 75 percent done in building our forces and by the end of next year it will be fully ready," he told the Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera.

Debate in Washington over when to bring troops home turned bitter last week after decorated Vietnam War vet Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., called for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, and estimated a pullout could be complete within six months. Republicans rejected Murtha's position.

In Egypt, the final communique's attempt to define terrorism omitted any reference to attacks against U.S. or Iraqi forces. Delegates from across the political and religious spectrum said the omission was intentional. They spoke anonymously, saying they feared retribution.

"Though resistance is a legitimate right for all people, terrorism does not represent resistance. Therefore, we condemn terrorism and acts of violence, killing and kidnapping targeting Iraqi citizens and humanitarian, civil, government institutions, national resources and houses of worships," the document said.

The final communique also stressed participants' commitment to Iraq's unity and called for the release of all "innocent detainees" who have not been convicted by courts. It asked that allegations of torture against prisoners be investigated and those responsible be held accountable.

The statement also demanded "an immediate end to arbitrary raids and arrests without a documented judicial order."

The communique included no means for implementing its provisions, leaving it unclear what it will mean in reality other than to stand as a symbol of a first step toward bringing the feuding parties together in an agreement in principle.

"We are committed to this statement as far as it is in the best interests of the Iraqi people," said Harith al-Dhari, leader of the powerful Association of Muslim Scholars, a hard-line Sunni group. He said he had reservations about the document as a whole, and delegates said he had again expressed strong opposition to the concept of federalism enshrined in Iraq's new constitution.

The gathering was part of a U.S.-backed league attempt to bring the communities closer together and assure Sunni Arab participation in a political process now dominated by Iraq's Shiite majority and large Kurdish minority.

The conference also decided on broad conditions for selecting delegates to a wider reconciliation gathering in the last week of February or the first week of March in Iraq. It essentially opens the way for all those who are willing to renounce violence against fellow Iraqis.

Shiites had been strongly opposed to participation in the conference by Sunni Arab officials from the former Saddam regime or from pro-insurgency groups. That objection seemed to have been glossed over in the communique.

The Cairo meeting was marred by differences between participants at times, and at one point Shiite and Kurdish delegates stormed out of a closed session when one of the speakers said they had sold out to the Americans.


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What do you mean, where did it come from? It came from that AP writer. His byline is there.

If you mean literally what site I got it from, then it was the AOL home page.

Here's the whole story. I have an AOL email address, although I don't get online through AOL. I have Sprint DSL at work and a Comcast cable modem at home, but I digress.

So in order to get my mail, I go to www.aol.com. On that page they have news stories as well as an area to log on to get your email.

So there I was, just planning on innocently getting my mail, when I noticed that story. Then I brought it over here.
 

kosar

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It's all good, GW. I just wanted to give you a brief glimpse into my life and explain in detail how this story was found.

I could understand your question better if it was some random article with no identification, but I figured (AP) with a byline would suffice.

I totally understand your skepticism though, some of that stuff really IS unbelieveable.
 

Clem D

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This was the Last thing the Bush admin needed to hear.


Our boys are dieing for a country that doesn't want us there.
 

dr. freeze

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no it is the FIRST thing the Bush admin needed to hear

They are getting ready to govern themselves

Sounds great

Our boys died and bled for OUR country and none other.

Hopefully you bitter haters can lighten up a bit during the Christmas season
 

dr. freeze

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The "timetable" SHOULD be theirs and not ours.

It is the perfect "exit strategy" and it developed nicely just as you naysayers said it wouldnt

Clockwork
 

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dr. freeze said:
no it is the FIRST thing the Bush admin needed to hear

They are getting ready to govern themselves

Sounds great

Our boys died and bled for OUR country and none other.

Hopefully you bitter haters can lighten up a bit during the Christmas season



Talk about bitter.. You are one of the most obnoxious up tight people on here. Anytime someone says something left leaning you get surly.
 

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Hopefully you bitter haters can lighten up a bit during the Christmas season


Hopefully Freeze you take your own advice and stop hating during the holidays!
 

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dr. freeze said:
no it is the FIRST thing the Bush admin needed to hear

They are getting ready to govern themselves

Sounds great

Our boys died and bled for OUR country and none other.

Hopefully you bitter haters can lighten up a bit during the Christmas season

Yes, i'm sure Bush loves hearing that the Iraqi government is calling for an immediate end to raids and arrests without a court order. That would be real helpful to the mission.

I'm sure that after drilling home the party line of 'no timetable', Bush is excited to see that they are trying to make one for us. You guys scream about how we cannot set a timetable, yet have no problem with them doing it. Can't the terrorists, wait, the 'resistance' just wait it out? Or does it really matter?

Music to his ears that the Iraqi government does not consider these guys blowing up our soldiers terrorists. Bush prefers their term, 'resistance.'

Hopefully some of you remove your blinders during this Christmas season.
 

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dr. freeze said:
The "timetable" SHOULD be theirs and not ours.

It is the perfect "exit strategy" and it developed nicely just as you naysayers said it wouldnt

Clockwork

Somebody make a note of the date and time of this post so we can find it and revisit it this time next year.

Clockwork. :mj07: :mj07:
 

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As far as raids are concerned, of course they are going to be against those....that is their best way of gaining opposition support.

No, we can NOT deliver a timetable until they deliver one. Of course this is the perfect way out. If WE act like cowards and deliver one, before they are ready, we have no VICTORY. They deliver their timetable, and we help with that, and things work out superbly with US CREDIBILITY restored.

I am sure the Iraqi leaders view Al Quaeda, both native and foreign, as Islamofasciist terrorists.

I am not sure however, that leftists in our own country do.

If either does not consider them so, we will agree to disagree.
 

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kosar said:
Somebody make a note of the date and time of this post so we can find it and revisit it this time next year.

Clockwork. :mj07: :mj07:

Tick Tock.

Hopefully all goes as planned huh?
 

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IOW, if we leave on THEIR timetable and civil war ensues and it's eventually taken over by radical fundamentalists, then we are off the hook and our credibility is restored? Then the war was justified because we left on THEIR timetable? Do I have this right?
 

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i thought that maybe it originated from the "new duranty times".......

kosar...no sweat....

but,i have to respond to clem....sorry to soil the thread...

i was just interested in trying to keep the article in context...

one paragraph that i`ll embolden....

""The Cairo meeting was marred by differences between participants at times, and at one point Shiite and Kurdish delegates stormed out of a closed session when one of the speakers said they had sold out to the Americans.""

this was,by all accounts,a very contentious conference...on the eve of crucial elections...

with the sunni`s also threatening to walk out if certain issues weren`t discussed...

here`s another take on the meeting...a different perspective....from jihad watch..

"" "Multinational forces are present in Iraq under a mandate from the U.N. Security Council....
Shiite leaders have long maintained that a pullout should be done according to milestones, and not before Iraqi security forces are fully operational. The closing statement upheld a """""Sunni demand"""" for a pullout, while preserving aspects of Shiite demands, but did not specify when a withdrawal should begin, making it more of a symbolic gesture than a concrete agenda item that could be followed up by the Iraqi government"""...

so clem....understand...that sometimes you have to read a little further to get a "well rounded",even handed interpretation of the events being discussed....



""The announcement, made at the conclusion of a reconciliation conference here backed by the Arab League, was a public reaching out by Shiites, who now dominate Iraq's government, to Sunni Arabs on the eve of parliamentary elections that have been put on shaky ground by weeks of sectarian violence.""

""About 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will run in the election on Dec. 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, ""dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces,""" the statement said.

no argument with the article....but,apparently,the muslim majority(shiites,kurds et al) agreed to certain agenda items to keep the conference from collapsing.....on the eve of the elections...which are crucial to any kind of success for iraq....

personally,the sooner we can get out...and leave the iraqi`s self governing and independent,the better....

i just thought that murtha`s suggestion of either"cut and run" or an immediate "redeployment" to some area outside of iraq(depending upon your point of view) was poorly thought out....

strategically... and from a logistical standpoint.... the war is costing us a fortune...removing and then possibly reinserting troops...back and forth...would exacerbate the cost...you can`t snap your fingers and redeploy hundreds of thousands of troops...we should stay until the iraqi`s tell us to go...not public opinion...governments aren`t run by public opinion...i`m talking the elected government...


he`s entitled to his opinion....i just don`t agree...

but,if the iraqi`s can come to an agreement...both sides....that they are ready to procede on their own(because i have to believe that the shia and kurd majority aren`t llooking to commit suicide),then i`d think that we`d have no choice....

if the shia`s and the kurds say it`s time...then i guess it`s time....

if we don`t leave when the ruling government says leave...then,it really does become an occupation....

i think we can all agree on that...
 
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